Fallout 4 does not make sense

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by TorontoReign, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Not only would they disarticulate, but their bones would be picked up by cats and dogs and rats and badgers, and taken into burrows or bushes - for then to be gobbled right up.

    Unless protected by extraordinary conditions (such as those that allow for fossilization), bones will eventually dry up, and almost fall apart under their own weight, untill there's only dust left.
    Proper burial offers some of this protection, and these are the skeletons archaeologists tend to find - and even then only a small fraction of the total number of people who have died and been buried.
    Bones that are re-exposed to the air, after being unearthed by an archaeologist, require immediate attention, protective coating, and once again - sustained protection from the elements.

    But yeah, we're probably stupid to read so deeply into it, since skeletons posed around in the hundreds have always been a staple of Fallout, ever since FO3.
     
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  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    "ever since Fo3" that kind of says it all, doesn't it?

    Did New Vegas had those kind of shit with Skeletons? Other than the weird Ghoulified Military General in Lonesome Road they were always more sensible with placement of skeletons.
     
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  3. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Yes, that was the joke :]

    I can't remember anywhere in FO1 or 2 that's littered with skeletons

    There are some bath-tub-skeletons in New Vegas though, but I'm not remembering how many or how common it is
     
  4. comscar

    comscar It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 8, 2009
    for some reason there were several in the Bison Hotel in Primm. And maybe a few in some abandoned houses, but that was about it if I remember right.
     
  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I think that even Fo3 was more nunaced with the skeletons than FO4 is. Maybe it was because of technical limitations, but at least FO3 didn't have Skeletons frozen in dynamic poses against gravity, nor where they completely solid and unmovable.
     
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  6. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    To be fair here, a skeleton in a bath-tub does not mean that the person died 200 years ago. If someone blew their brains out in a tub it could very well just have been a decade or so since it happened. It depends on the skeleton and what is implied by its surroundings. A skeleton in a tub could mean someone who's died fairly recently.
     
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  7. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Indeed, I have even found myself interpreting it that way. Some wastelander giving up on scavenging, offing themselves in a tub (should have proper plumbing though, but whatever)

    The skeletons in FO4 are too obviously supposed to be blasts-from-the-past in a way that simple-people can recognize. They are fully dressed in pre-war leisure clothing :I

    Comscar: yes, that is the location I remember having these skeletons, off the top of my head anyway
     
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  8. tekhedd

    tekhedd Hoarding ammo IS gameplay

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    Oct 28, 2008
    It's not about "realistic", it's about "believable." I mean, that's pretty clearly explained at the very start of the rev...ohhhh, I see.

    Never mind. Let the "explaining that we use the same word to mean different things in English fairy" handle it when he gets here. :D
     
  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    He was quoting Pete Hines ;)
     
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  10. thenightgaunt

    thenightgaunt First time out of the vault

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    Jun 7, 2007
    Heck. Since Fallout 1 really. Then again in F1 & 2 it was always difficult to tell if they were supposed to be "war" corpses or if they were more "recent" bodies. Some of the environmental story telling in Fallout 4 worked because either the death had happened post-war or the areas were fairly enclosed so the environment wouldn't have resulted in too much spreading of the bones.

    But the real crux of the article was the presence of a skeleton in the active diner. While trash and bodies fit the aesthetic of the series, they don't fit the reality of people's lives. If that diner is an active trading post, and every bit of scrap is valuable, then it should be clean. Not undamaged, but clean. So tables should have plates and cups on them, but neatly set out for customers. And there should be NO BODIES in the booths.

    The big flaw I've noticed in the Bethesda Fallout games is not so much the format or the changes to gameplay. Those are style changes and will be fought over forever by fans. It's like an argument about which of the Star Wars movies is best. It'll never end, and you'll never convince anyone to change their mind.

    Instead, I think that their biggest flaw is that they get too excited about world building and don't focus on the details like the interior of the diner. The Commonwealth is filled with tons of things to discover, hidden stories, and exciting and strange locales (I love it so far). But they forget odd details like the inside of the diner, or big plot holes like how the Brotherhood should be able to locate synths easily by x-raying people's skulls. They try to put so much in that they forget to fine tune what's already there.

    They get excited about having an NPC like the Brotherhood member who lost her legs and walks around in a modified power armor frame. But then they forget about other details like, why can't you choose to not
    kill off the Railroad
    during the BoS and Institute plotlines?
    It makes no sense. They're hidden. You could just leave, tell Desdemona to move to another base, then nuke the church and tell Father/Maxon that the job's done.
    Even though it's an obvious alternative, they missed it. Probably while getting excited while designing the Glowing Sea.

    That's one mod that I want to try to build once the construction set comes out. A "realism" mod to clean up that Diner and other spots where they slipped up on small stuff.
     
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  11. Eternal

    Eternal Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 4, 2008
    Not so much with the skeletons but there was some issues like this even in the original fallouts in regards to trash/broken down stuff/ect. It wasn't common to find skeletons inside of inhabited buildings in a town. Not non-existent but not common.

    Some of that could have been due to graphical limitations. Also in NV it always bugged the hell out of me how trashed up Camp Golf is inside.
     
  12. Qdeathstar

    Qdeathstar First time out of the vault

    4
    Nov 20, 2008
    personally, I like the skeletons. Its something to look at. I like the attention to detail in how they are set up and the liltle stories they tell.

    sure, it Int realistic. Boo Hoo. Go live under ground in a desert if you want a slightly more realistic post apocolyptic feel.


    Would you really rather stare at a nice clean dirt floor and 100 candles? Or what?

    Maybe you'd like just one weapon, ability to carry 50lbs, virtual piss stops, and inability to play past your bedtime.

    REALISM YAY
     
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  13. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident Schizo Poster

    Jun 15, 2015
    Oh goody a typical 12 year Bethesda fanboy. Please keep gracing us with your amazing intelligence and spelling errors.
     
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  14. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Wow I guess the Bethesda fans enjoy those wacky skeletons that shouldn't be there in dusty run down places that serve no purpose and should've been renovated! Environmental "storytelling". That's what you get when you pay $60 to Bethesda. They give you a sandbox to make your own stories because the writers couldn't write anything to save their lives so you have to use your "imagination" for a story. People pay money for THEM to make a story not for us to do their job. Makes me sick.
     
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  15. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Commercial genius!
     
  16. peadar87

    peadar87 Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 4, 2015

    A couple of well-placed skeletons can give a bit of atmosphere, even if it's not fully realistic. As I said before, a skeleton with a shotgun in a bathtub can add to the post-apocalyptic feel, if it is in an abandoned shack miles from anywhere. A skeleton in someone's house, where they have supposedly been living for decades without touching it, that breaks immersion. (Yes, I know immersion is a dirty word around here sometimes, but when it's not being misused by Bethesda, it is still an important concept in gaming. Anything that makes you jolt upright and realise you're playing a game instead of experiencing a story and a world is bad game design)
     
  17. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Gyro Captain

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    Dec 11, 2013
    There is a huge contrast with the early games, where we actually got to see new societies emerge, ones that weren't simply squatting in post-war buildings and wearing post-war rags, but had developed unique cultures and ways of life. Even the people that were living in ruins still managed to have built something that was clearly and distinctly new, not just an imitation of a pre-war life they never experienced.
     
  18. Gonadius

    Gonadius First time out of the vault

    21
    Jul 7, 2015
    The Survivalist that everyone raves about in the Honest Hearts DLC has been lying on an exposed hilltop quite happily for over a century...
     
  19. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident Schizo Poster

    Jun 15, 2015
    At lest he wasn't positioned with a coffee cup in his hand or cuddling with another skeleton.
     
  20. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    By the way, is it explained where chems, medicine, guns, ammo, electricity, food, education comes from in Fallout 4? I've seen some plants here and there so I guess that might take care of the food issue (but then again, the raiders, what do they eat?), but what about other stuff? Does the Institute fund the anarchy with chems and meds or something? And what about ammo, The Pitt? Where do the doctors get their PhD's?