ikazuchi87
First time out of the vault
Does young synth gets older? If not, what is his purpose?
tekhedd
Hoarding ammo IS gameplay
Wait... hoarding ammo was a significant gameplay element in Fallout 1-2. Maybe they were brainstorming and were like "That's it! We'll let you hoard *everything* in the game and that makes it the best roleplaying experience ever!" Or something. I mean, meetings, you know?
As my friend said to me, "You're right, and I disagree with you."Yes, you are right. But, magic frequently is used as a get-out-of-jail-free card to do things like that in magical universes, and we're pretty much used to that. It stilll feels pretty cheap in skyrim/oblivion/etc because beth likes to throw in "skeletons with nobody there to animate them and no explanation for hwy they exist" or simlar tricks to "use the IP to generate more things to blow up without explaining". But it doesn't feel quite as cheap there as it does in Fallout because magic.
So, yes. Magic is a cheap Deus Ex Machina. In skyrim some things are, if not always plausible, at least possible in the rules of the world. In Fallout when you do something impossible you only have two excuses, 1) It's necesasry for an ironic joke so we bent the rules, or 2) there is no other good excuse.
So, er, I think maybe the other answer is "We don't mind when they do it in Skyrim because we have no real respect for it as an RPG."
Really? Fantasy nerds are all up in the consistency of world building and the "magic system."
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Doctor 0
Still Mildly Glowing
To pass the butter.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the synth kid. Then the characters were getting all morally uppity about it. "How could they make synth children?" and I'm sitting there thinking: what's the problem?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
What's the ethical problem?
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Trapping a childs psyche in an ever-lasting state?
Forcing a child to grow up and become an adult while stuck in a body they can't grow out of?
I dunno how they create synth AI or whatever but if they copy a human's brain-waves or whatever then, what about the original?
If it is a brain transplant, then, well, the child won't go through puberty, the child will never truly grow up.
And it's just plain damn 'weird' to want a little robotic child running around.
Forcing a child to grow up and become an adult while stuck in a body they can't grow out of?
I dunno how they create synth AI or whatever but if they copy a human's brain-waves or whatever then, what about the original?
If it is a brain transplant, then, well, the child won't go through puberty, the child will never truly grow up.
And it's just plain damn 'weird' to want a little robotic child running around.
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TorontoReign
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This video makes some pretty good points.
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tekhedd
Hoarding ammo IS gameplay
As my friend said to me, "You're right, and I disagree with you."
So, yes. Magic is a cheap Deus Ex Machina. In skyrim some things are, if not always plausible, at least possible in the rules of the world. In Fallout when you do something impossible you only have two excuses, 1) It's necesasry for an ironic joke so we bent the rules, or 2) there is no other good excuse.
So, er, I think maybe the other answer is "We don't mind when they do it in Skyrim because we have no real respect for it as an RPG."
Really? Fantasy nerds are all up in the consistency of world building and the "magic system."
Well, that'd make sense, if they have respect for Skyrim as an RPG. Which I personally don't.
MercenarySnake
Kept you waiting huh?
People saying Skyrim is an RPG have obviously never played a real RPG.
Amazing for people who think a shopping mall is an amazing place...Beth "where more is merrier".
These games cater for to the 'typical self obsessed tards' that spend hours each day checking their Facebook pages, and gazing into their smart-phones like the morons they are...
Run here, run there, collect mindless shit, build a broken settlement, craft a turd...Todd Howard - "master gamer".
"Every blade of grass must be perfect, fuck story - fuck gameplay - fuck diehards"...Todd Howard - "master gamer".
Failout 4 and Arserim are the perfect games - it filled their coffers with lots of shekels, and that's all that they were designed for.
I'll continue to defend Skyrim. Just because it's a rubbish RPG doesn't mean it's a bad game. I really enjoyed playing it. Nothing wrong in particular with "shallow and broad".
From what I've seen of FO4, it's along the same lines. A not-particularly-intelligent romp through a poorly fleshed out but expansive world. I'll buy it, play it, and most likely enjoy it once the price comes down, but it will never hold a candle to New Vegas.
From what I've seen of FO4, it's along the same lines. A not-particularly-intelligent romp through a poorly fleshed out but expansive world. I'll buy it, play it, and most likely enjoy it once the price comes down, but it will never hold a candle to New Vegas.
Nothing wrong with shallow and broad? 
We are not talking about candy crush here, but a game that calls it self an RPG. And Fallout 4 is even calling it self a sequel to the Fallout franchise. Beeing shallow and broad is very wrong.
We are not talking about candy crush here, but a game that calls it self an RPG. And Fallout 4 is even calling it self a sequel to the Fallout franchise. Beeing shallow and broad is very wrong.
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TorontoReign
Guest
Bethesda finally went overboard with the quantity over quality formula.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
It's pretty interesting how the "gamer" mentality has changed in the last few years, now both censorship and shallowness are seen as completely okay.
Of course not. Skyrim has a huge, gorgeous world, with a load of interesting, varied stuff going on to explore in all sorts of different environments. That goes a long way to make up for a lot of the characters being cardboard cut-outs from My First Big Book of Stereotypes.Nothing wrong with shallow and broad?
If the worst thing about the game is that it's mislabelled, it can't be that bad
Of course, crappy writing and a wafer-thin plot aren't great, especially in a franchise that has built itself on precisely the opposite. Maybe because I didn't grow up with Fallout (New Vegas was my first game in the series) I don't have the same emotional attachment to the legacy of the series. I can identify that the writing in FO3, and what I've seen of 4, is pish, but I have nothing against a fun romp, blowing stuff up and increasing some arbitrary level number.
If that is your thing, sure. But I expect more from RPGs, and definetly more from Bethesda. Why? Because I know they once did. Hell, even Daggerfall had different endings. And that was 20 years ago. I don't think anyone here is expecting a new Planescape Torment from Beth, as far as the writing and dialog goes. But seriously. Sometimes it really feels like they are not even trying anymore. Like they don't push them self in to new areas, improving on their designs, finding new ways to get more quality into their games. They just simplify their games more and more with each each new sequel, and some large part of their fanbase even celebrates Betheasda as a hero, for turning RPGs into mindless shooters ...