FALLOUT 4 IS GREAT ALL YOU GUYS SUCK [Question]

I've been doing that for the past couple months, and it doesn't answer everything.
If you want to get answers just summon someone who was here when the schism took place, here's how you do it: find a member who has been here since 2008, write their name with an @ symbol in front of it and, boom, you'll have somebody who can answer all your questions.
 
I think pretty much everything should be answered by now but I will type a few things anyway:
  • NMA was the Fallout site to go even before Fallout 3 was made (I didn't have an account back then but I used to lurk around here, it was the best place to get Fallout and Fallout 2 patches and fixes)
  • People loved that Van Buren was being made
    • Van Buren looked like it would be a good Fallout game, worthy of being called Fallout 3
    • Van Buren got cancelled when it was almost done and that disappointed a lot of people
  • Bethesda bought the Fallout IP
    • People got excited about Bethesda announcing they would make Fallout 3
  • Bethesda released Fallout 3
    • It wasn't a really worthy Fallout game compared to the cancelled Van Buren
    • Classic Fallout fans felt cheated and disappointed
    • Some became quite vocal about how "shitty" Fallout 3 was and how Bethesda was destroying the franchise
      • Bethesda had it's own very vocal fans that felt the need to protect Fallout 3 and Bethesda's honor
        • These Bethesda fans decided they should enlighten those that were too critical of Fallout 3 and so they came into the classic fallout fans den and decided to change those classic fans tastes, by force if needed.
        • They came with pure hearts, good intentions and good grasp of english language and used good arguments like "Y U NO LIKE FALLOUT3?" and "FALLOUT 3 BEST GAME 4EVA" and others like "U OLD NERDS NEED TO GO AND DIE!". There were also some actual people with actual good arguments and could type properly but just like with Fallout 4 fans, those were the minority
        • Some classic Fallout games fans were also vocal so they replied to Fallout 3 fans
        • Word wars ensued, flames and battles happened all around us, scorched earth and ruins were the only thing that remained
        • Most of the Fallout 3 fans feeling defeated by not forcefully be able to change classic fallout fans tastes retreated and went to other internet settlements and spread how NMA was a den of evil and stupid and mean old codgers that were beyond any salvation and that NMA users would lynch anyone who would come here with a different opinion from their own
  • Some people who enjoy Fallout 3 join NMA and actually have positive and constructive conversations find out NMA is not that bad
  • Obsidian releases Fallout New Vegas and show younger generations what a good Fallout game can be even though it is made using Gamebryo
    • Some people who liked Fallout 3 fall in love with Fallout New Vegas and find in NMA a nice place to talk about the games they love
    • Users that think Fallout New Vegas sucks and it is boring try to do the same as the Fallout 3 fans tried in the past
    • History repeats itself and those that came to NMA to try forcefully change people's tastes fail once again and spread the old rumours again, how NMA is a den of evil old nerds that would crucify anyone with a different taste
  • Bethesda releases Fallout 4
    • History once again repeats itself as we are now witnessing. War... War never changes.

About why NMA does not do much or anything to change it's reputation? Why would anyone around here do that? It helps keep the riff-raff out (all the fans that come full of hate just to try and pick up a fight) and helps those that actually prefer newer games but like to have civilised and mature conversations about it to stick around when they realise that the reputation of this place is not as bad as others spread.

Just my 2 cents. :confused:
 
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Good read Rise, I was kinda expecting a "War, war never changes" at the end there, but oh well :) still good!
Hey I am an old codger, I have to keep the same old clichés because I don't like changes :aiee:.
 
People tend to forget that the Fallout fanbase was always a rather fickle bunch, especially here on NMA. People complained a lot about Fallout 2, actually. And Interplay got more hate than the Toddler could ever imagine when after Fallout: Tactics (which got a lukewarm reception at best) and Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel (which got a thermonuclear reaction of rage) Fallout 3 was canceled in favour of ANOTHER Fallout: POS.
Bethesda's Fallout 3 just rekindled that old animosity. This is a very old community that has a very high standard of what RPGs should be. It's not that they don't enjoy other games or deviations from that formula (as seen with the general hig regard for games like Deus Ex, System Shock or Fallout: New Vegas), but yeah, very high standards have to be met.
 
Like the title, I've always wondered why this website attracts one-time users that post threads like this. I've also always wondered why this website can't change its reputation from a "biased, vile, toxic landfill" to "place that isn't hated".

Please don't take offence in this, I'm simply trying to understand the culture of this site.

Basically, all I'm asking is why this website can't change its reputation.
That's because we are not in controll over our reputation. It's that simple. People like what they like, and they decide that we are wrong because of our criticism.
And it is not some unique trait to Fallout or NMA. As someone who has grown up with the old Terminator and Alien movies, I gave up a long time ago to try to explain someone who loves those new movies why they are actually a disagrace to the originals. But, if someone likes T5 or AvP, he just likes it. There is nothing you can possibly do about it.
 
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I do believe that when FO3 hit NMA exploded into a place where 'classic' fans tore a giant hole into the new game Fallout 3 (me included ... This is actually my 2nd account!)

And that was reported on at least one major gaming website as well as forums around the net. Very quickly NMA became known as being anti FO3 even spawning the catchphrase 'glittering gems of hate'

We (the classic fans) adopted this new title and took it as a crown, we accepted that we were the old guard and that we were witnessing a beloved franchise being torn apart, dismantled and (in our eyes) ruined - and we were helpless to do anything.

So we came here, to pick apart the new game(s) and to provide camaraderie in the nostalgia of the old games. I set this new profile up and started my blog(s) which were deliberately done in an attempt to show how shallow and poorly produced the new game(s) had become.

Why is this place known as it is? Because we, as one stood together and in a unified voice cried out that we were unhappy with what was happening, we made a noise, a noise which for the most part was ignored, or put aside as irrelevant.

But even now we have people joining that have had time to see that FO3 (and now FO4) are simply bad games, and these newcomers come to us knowing from reputation that they have a place to go, one which will understand the feeling of betrayal ... The abuse of trust as consumers being sold an inferior product.

We're here, the glittering gems of hate - here, because we need to be here... Because we don't really fit with the 'yes' crowd... Because gaming is at risk of becoming a dull call-of-duty clone-fest and while we have each other we can help find games worthy of our time and our cash, together we can explore interesting ideas.

But most importantly, what is better than finding a common point of annoyance to bond over! One of the oldest proverbs known to man has never been more relevant:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend
 
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We're here, the glittering gems of hate - here, because we need to be here... Because we don't really fit with the 'yes' crowd... Because gaming is at risk of becoming a dull call-of-duty clone-fest and while we have each other we can help find games worthy of our time and our cash, together we can explore interesting ideas.
This reads like it's straight out of a speech in Metal Gear Solid.
 
Probably for the same reason that the Fallout 4 fanboy forums don't change their reputation.

Lots of people here don't like Fallout 4. Lots of people here think Bethesda is directly insulting our intelligence with this game. If that is "toxic" to you then there's plenty of forums full of fanatics who will spew things like "Bethesda truly has our best interests in mind when they sell us this stuff."

There's plenty of posts talking about the good things Fallout 4 did, and when people ask for Fallout 4 help they receive direct answers.

What these posts always seem to be is people who posted here once with some opinion, and then someone disagreed with their opinion, and they went crying to another forum about how NMA is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
 
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Never underestimate the longevity of a pissed off old man.
cratchety ol joe: "Fallout 4?"
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As big of a cliché as this is

I just gotta say I love all of you guys, as bitter and cynical as I can be(even though it may look like I can be nothing more than an ass) I've never had as much fun discussion things like this as I have on this forum.

@cratchety ol joe You sure know what to say, if I ever die early I want you speaking at my funeral. :P
 
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