Fallout 4>this outdated site

[Crni Vuk]

Skyrim's UI makes you wish you could go back to Oblivions UI. That's how well Bethesda is in making UI's for games. I guess it's similar with F4.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

The menu is made for consoles like Skyrim. When I was playing Fallout 4 I played it with a controller and it was fine. If I played it with a mouse and keyboard I would never have made it past one hour.

 

[MercenarySnake]

I find the Pipboy interface super annoying, I hate it. Instead of making a big enough inventory/status/radio/ect UI they put it on some tiny screen on your wrist and things like the outer part of the Pipboy and the thumb take up wasted space.

Fallout 4's interface makes you wish the monkeys on keyboards over there could design an interface that doesn't involve fighting with it just to do something so simple.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

I find the Pipboy interface super annoying, I hate it. Instead of making a big enough inventory/status/radio/ect UI they put it on some tiny screen on your wrist and things like the outer part of the Pipboy and the thumb take up wasted space.

Fallout 4's interface makes you wish the monkeys on keyboards over there could design an interface that doesn't involve fighting with it just to do something so simple.

But wait!

Hey you can't criticise that, it's part of the REALISTIC IMMERSION of using a clunky computer thing, like they did in the 50's! It's part of the game and a feature, it's SUPPOSED to be clunky! If you don't want that, you shouldn't play Fallout because Fallout is set in future 50's lol"

 

[Risewild]

I like trolls coming here and talk about all the hate NMA has for FO4, when the most hateful posts in the entire NMA forums are the troll ones it's hilarious .

Also how they all think they will be banned for criticising NMA and trolling, even more hilarious .

And third, I also enjoy how this community turns troll threads into adult and serious discussions like for example how it came from "UR site SUKS and FO4 betta 4eva" to the discussion on how Bethesda UI should be improved and how a game studio should be able to distinguish between console and computer UIs and adapt it accordingly .

 

[Crni Vuk]

I find the Pipboy interface super annoying, I hate it. Instead of making a big enough inventory/status/radio/ect UI they put it on some tiny screen on your wrist and things like the outer part of the Pipboy and the thumb take up wasted space.

Fallout 4's interface makes you wish the monkeys on keyboards over there could design an interface that doesn't involve fighting with it just to do something so simple.

But wait!

Hey you can't criticise that, it's part of the REALISTIC IMMERSION of using a clunky computer thing, like they did in the 50's! It's part of the game and a feature, it's SUPPOSED to be clunky! If you don't want that, you shouldn't play Fallout because Fallout is set in future 50's lol"

What's fun is that the same kind of people will criticze Fallout 1 and 2s UI for beeing outdated, clunky and difficult to use ... I will never understand this world.

 

[MercenarySnake]

I find the Pipboy interface super annoying, I hate it. Instead of making a big enough inventory/status/radio/ect UI they put it on some tiny screen on your wrist and things like the outer part of the Pipboy and the thumb take up wasted space.

Fallout 4's interface makes you wish the monkeys on keyboards over there could design an interface that doesn't involve fighting with it just to do something so simple.

But wait!

Hey you can't criticise that, it's part of the REALISTIC IMMERSION of using a clunky computer thing, like they did in the 50's! It's part of the game and a feature, it's SUPPOSED to be clunky! If you don't want that, you shouldn't play Fallout because Fallout is set in future 50's lol"

Yeah a game that has kids living in fridges for 200 years, lacking settlements, Boston consisting of orcs/raiders/zombies as 80% of the population. Yeah suurreee it's all for immersion.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

 

[GlutinousRice]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

Aside from the martial laws, economics crisis, and constant riots, it was a great time to live.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

Aside from the martial laws, economics crisis, and constant riots, it was a great time to live.

It's too bad that wasn't shown in Fallout 4, but it wouldn't have looked epic if they made it logical just like that scripted l nuclear blast hitting them as the elevator started going down. Ah I really want a proper Fallout sequel consistent with the Fallout lore.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

Aside from the martial laws, economics crisis, and constant riots, it was a great time to live.

Don't forget that a lot of happiness was just bullshit to make things seem happier in the wake of the Cold war.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

Aside from the martial laws, economics crisis, and constant riots, it was a great time to live.

Don't forget that a lot of happiness was just bullshit to make things seem happier in the wake of the Cold war.

To be fair, you can criticise the downfalls of old world politics to Daisy at Goodneighbor (a pre-war ghoul who talks to you about the pre-war world). And while the intro movie was a mismatch of inaccurate information, it did get that the universe isn't supposed to be all cheery.

But it's a mainstream appeal game. It's not supposed to forcibly take people out of their comfort zone. Throwing riots and the economy and politics in there is going to get in the way of someone who wants to play Fallout to shoot stuff and relax, CoD style. So Bethesda knows it's not all cheery, but making the background complex could affect their sales by a fraction of a percent, and that's not something they want to do.

Basically, "Fallout isn't just alternate sci-fi 50's, but our target audience doesn't want depressing stuff, so we'll give them wacky 50's and hint very subtly at the real background for those guys nobody cares about. Everyone wins!"

except they don't

 

[Dr Fallout]

Not the fifties again... does someone want to make a time machine that goes back to the fifties, and send all Beth trolls who love it for some reason? Then give them a hefty dose of being poor and seeing the shit side during the time.

...but..but Fallout 4 shows that the fifties looks all happy and cheery with no downsides(I know that it's 2077 but you'd swear it was the fifties, like the fifties never left).

Aside from the martial laws, economics crisis, and constant riots, it was a great time to live.

Don't forget that a lot of happiness was just bullshit to make things seem happier in the wake of the Cold war.

To be fair, you can criticise the downfalls of old world politics to Daisy at Goodneighbor (a pre-war ghoul who talks to you about the pre-war world). And while the intro movie was a mismatch of inaccurate information, it did get that the universe isn't supposed to be all cheery.

But it's a mainstream appeal game. It's not supposed to forcibly take people out of their comfort zone. Throwing riots and the economy and politics in there is going to get in the way of someone who wants to play Fallout to shoot stuff and relax, CoD style. So Bethesda knows it's not all cheery, but making the background complex could affect their sales by a fraction of a percent, and that's not something they want to do.

Basically, "Fallout isn't just alternate sci-fi 50's, but our target audience doesn't want depressing stuff, so we'll give them wacky 50's and hint very subtly at the real background for those guys nobody cares about. Everyone wins!"

except they don't

Yeah... he paints the pre-war world as an atomic utopia...

 

[Dr Fallout]

Yeah... he paints the pre-war world as an atomic utopia...

Who does? Nate, the narrator at the start? While the events of the pre-war world is described in a vague manner and has incorrect chronology, not even the Cold War was back to back paranoia and protests. It's somewhat correct, to a degree. It's not like he describes it as a 50's heaven. Microfusion cell invented, futuristic tech enjoyed for a while. The age of consumption begun first, not after as it's described, but it's not entirely wrong.

At no point did he say it was a utopia. That's an inference one would make. Unless you can find a similar quote here I missed, or anything implying it was perfect.

To be fair, it drew me in better than this year's Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed intro, so considering that's who they are competing with, Bethesda succeeded with the intro. I guess.

The timeline has never painted any 'age of consumption' so far, where robots were widespread and many could afford them, yet he implies this. In fact Nate implies that the nuclear power acted as a working substitute for coal and oil, while the timeline paints it as barely sufficient and extremely limited.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

Yeah... he paints the pre-war world as an atomic utopia...

Who does? Nate, the narrator at the start? While the events of the pre-war world is described in a vague manner and has incorrect chronology, not even the Cold War was back to back paranoia and protests. It's somewhat correct, to a degree. It's not like he describes it as a 50's heaven. Microfusion cell invented, futuristic tech enjoyed for a while. The age of consumption begun first, not after as it's described, but it's not entirely wrong.

At no point did he say it was a utopia. That's an inference one would make. Unless you can find a similar quote here I missed, or anything implying it was perfect. Here's the impression I got:

1. Male protagonist, default name Nate, is the descendant of an American WW2 veteran.
2. Cold War followed the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, which threatened world peace.
3. Microfusion cell invented. Technology progresses quickly.
4. Age of consumption brings civilisation down to its knees. Riots begin, society collapses. (wrong order, we all know)
5. Sino-American war brings Nate into military conflict.

To be fair, it drew me in better than this year's Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed intro, so considering that's who they are competing with, Bethesda succeeded with the intro. I guess.


​Note: sorry, I deleted and reposted instead of editing it. habit of mines.

 

[Dr Fallout]

So... umm, now you can post a response to what I said without double posting.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

So... umm, now you can post a response to what I said without double posting.

Sure.

The timeline has never painted any 'age of consumption' so far, where robots were widespread and many could afford them, yet he implies this. In fact Nate implies that the nuclear power acted as a working substitute for coal and oil, while the timeline paints it as barely sufficient and extremely limited.

The age of consumption is in the wrong order in this intro, but it triggers the Resource Wars so it does exist.

"Implies" is not a good enough excuse to criticise something. Also, no. The timeline doesn't paint it as nuclear power being that rare. It's in fact implied that if the Great War didn't happen, the use of fusion technology could've solved a lot of problems and delayed conflict for a much longer period of time.

Nuclear power in Fallout 4 simply spearheaded the invention of unconventional technology. It never substituted for anything. Like I said, the intro is too vague to criticise, so we should just criticise it for being vague. It's a dumb assumption to think Bethesda doesn't know that there were global resource tensions in Fallout. They deliberately suppressed that piece of background information because politics in casual AAA games tend to raise too many flags and bother certain people.

 

[Dr Fallout]

So... umm, now you can post a response to what I said without double posting.

Sure.

The timeline has never painted any 'age of consumption' so far, where robots were widespread and many could afford them, yet he implies this. In fact Nate implies that the nuclear power acted as a working substitute for coal and oil, while the timeline paints it as barely sufficient and extremely limited.

The age of consumption is in the wrong order in this intro, but it triggers the Resource Wars so it does exist.

"Implies" is not a good enough excuse to criticise something. Also, no. The timeline doesn't paint it as nuclear power being that rare. It's in fact implied that if the Great War didn't happen, the use of fusion technology could've solved a lot of problems and delayed conflict for a much longer period of time.

Nuclear power in Fallout 4 simply spearheaded the invention of unconventional technology. It never substituted for anything. Like I said, the intro is too vague to criticise, so we should just criticise it for being vague. It's a dumb assumption to think Bethesda doesn't know that there were global resource tensions in Fallout. They deliberately suppressed that piece of background information because politics in casual AAA games tend to raise too many flags and bother certain people.

Fair enough, though I still believe that the original timeline never showed or had a kind of consumption age where nuclear power became mass used as Bethesdian fallout suggests.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

Fair enough, though I still believe that the original timeline never showed or had a kind of consumption age where nuclear power became mass used as Bethesdian fallout suggests.

Bethesdian Fallouts are so vague in terms of lore that the best you can do is make assumptions and theories. That's why. I guess I can see why people like that, but honestly, would it kill them to add a little more detail here and there? I mean, they're playing on the AAA field here, which means it has to competes with Witcher 3 by calling itself an RPG. Can it stand? Of course not. Fallout 4 doesn't even beat Skyrim in terms of storywriting.

Any mistake one could make from implications is best solely blamed on Bethesda. Or maybe just Emil Pagliarulo.