Fallout 4 went from Mostly Positive to Mixed in recent reviews

Irwin John Finster said:
It's funny, if you click on Bethesda Game Studios in the developer link on the Steam store page, it shows all the BGS games. The only thumbs down are for Fallout 4 stuff. LOL.

Seriously, congratulations Bethesda. It's your dumbest game yet. Maybe you can title Fallout 5 "Baby's First Fawwout!"
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Their Elder Scrolls card game is on the way. That may surpass Failout 4 as their dumbest game (seeing how they're going up against CDPR's Gwent).

Earth said:
Good job everyone
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It's not over yet. The overall user reviews are still Mostly Positive and Nuka World is up next. The seeds of disgust is only now sprouting and growing but Bethesda may still win back the mindless with Nuka World.
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Unless Nuka World completely fails on arrival. Then we cheer.

EDIT: Out of morbid curiosity, I decided to look at the comments for the highlighted Steam User reviews for Vault-Tec Workshop and as I expected, the Bethesdrones are already trying to defend it with their usual tactics and insults. It's like differing opinions don't exist in that rather cancerous mass of so-called consumers.
 
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Risewild said:
If Zenimax pushed Bethesda into making Fallout 4 the way it is, then it is still Bethesda fault for not man it up and telling Zenimax that they are the ones who know about games, have been making games for decades and Zenimax should trust them.
That would be what someone with pride on the products they make would do.
Now if Zenimax made an ultimatum "If you don't make the game this way you are all fired!" then I guess that could change things. But I bet someone would have leaked it to the press already and Zenimax would be shamed by public opinion.

Not to mention that Bethesda has been doing this little by little, each game of them have been more streamlined than the previous one. If Zenimax was telling them to do it I bet it wouldn't have taken 4 games (Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim) to have reached the Fallout 4 state. It would have been right there on Oblivion or Fallout 3 (which would have made more sense since it would have been the first Bethesda fallout game, so they had plenty of room to have removed the RPG from the series right from the start and getting away with it easier).
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Well yeah, you cant really say "fuck you" to someone who controls every aspect of how your going to do things.Weather it would have been leaked or not, eh.... Theres also the possibility that they had to keep everything confidential. I mean, hell, they kept fallout 4 a secret for like 7 years (I think).

Also if they mainstreamed fallout 3 then....well.....there wouldnt be any fallout 4, would there (at least from them)?
Why zenimax would have done this now, I cant say. Probably had made so much resources from the previous games that they thought, "what the hell,lets do this!".
 
Borov said:
Well yeah, you cant really say "fuck you" to someone who controls every aspect of how your going to do things.Weather it would have been leaked or not, eh.... Theres also the possibility that they had to keep everything confidential. I mean, hell, they kept fallout 4 a secret for like 7 years (I think).

Also if they mainstreamed fallout 3 then....well.....there wouldnt be any fallout 4, would there (at least from them)?
Why zenimax would have done this now, I cant say. Probably had made so much resources from the previous games that they thought, "what the hell,lets do this!".
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The thing is why would Zenimax get involved on how Bethesda makes games but not involved in any of their other game studios?
If they had made fallout 3 like they did fallout 4 they would have sold way more (as the sales of fallout 4 prove), most Fallout 4 players who love the game have never played a fallout game before (not even Fallout 3), so I don't see why they wouldn't have made fallout 4 if Fallout 3 would have been like it.
And again like I said before, why do it little by little on each game? Wouldn't Zenimax want the changes right away? Why would they push Bethesda to do streamline little by little and then BAM from fallout 3 (and New Vegas to an extent) go full FPS-Action-y?
Makes no sense to me, Bethesda was making good money, I see no reason at all Zenimax would come by and say "Even though you are having profits of millions of dollars with your latest games. We the board of Zenimax which are mostly movie and TV studio's people want you to do games this way from now on, just because.".
Let's be honest Bethesda have been experimenting with streamlining or dumbing down their games ever since Morrowind was released (even Morrowind was more dumbed down than Daggerfall) and with each release they sold more, Skyrim and Fallout 4 prove that, so I don't see why Zenimax would push for it when Bethesda have been doing it since almost forever, little by little.
Again, why would Zenimax do it to Bethesda but leave alone all the other game studios they also own? :scratch:
Here are all the known game studios they own (courtesy of Wikipedia):
ZeniMax is known as the owner of Arkane Studios (developer of Dishonored), BattleCry Studios (developer of BattleCry), Bethesda Game Studios (developer of The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout series), id Software (developer of Doom series and Quake series), MachineGames (developer of Wolfenstein series), Tango Gameworks (developer of The Evil Within) and ZeniMax Online Studios.
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A joyous occasion.

I wonder if TES 6 is getting pushed back as we speak, because they need to go back to the drawing board.
 
aenemic said:
A joyous occasion.

I wonder if TES 6 is getting pushed back as we speak, because they need to go back to the drawing board.
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Oh certainly not. They're still bragging about Fallout 4 being a "Game of the Year" quality game. Seriously look the marketing twitter some time.

I can't wait for TES 6. They're going to do to Elder Scrolls what they did to Fallout and suddenly all the Elder Scrolls fans will be acting surprised like they never saw this coming while the rest of us have been saying they've been dumbing down their games for their last several iterations.

Enjoy the $50 Tamriel Workshop DLC/Season Pass everyone! Because that's what the game is going to be centered around.
 
I don't know if there'll be a voiced protagonist but I can definitely see them adding the stupid settlement building into the game.

"Kiss decent world design goodbye boys."
 
Honestly, we should have seen it coming with Hearthfire and the popularity of all of the steam workshop house mods for Skyrim.

Once Bethesda realized that we weren't lying here at NMA and most of their fans just wanted a virtual dollhouse to twiddle about with and dress up little statues with armor, they doubled down hard on what was probably the cheapest to produce DLC for their last game and made most of them in that same mold for Fallout 4 (and the base game was broken to accommodate it and feature it)

In terms of cost effectiveness, just think of how little overhead is involved in adding content and minimal feature changes to the game as compared with writing a story, paying voice actors and having your animators and map designers work for months to craft a new game area that's plausible while being small and contained enough for the purpose of dlc. All that crap takes work and money, and making a couple houses and models for household items is peanuts by comparison.

What's crazy to me is how poorly they managed to implement their response to this trend they spotted. They cashed in hard, but they managed to piss off even their own ridiculous fans with how lackluster their offering was and how weak it looks compared to mods made by individual unpaid guys.

That's not even taking into account comparisons to the dlc made by reputable RPG makers like cdprojekt red.
 
Well I get Fallout 4 a solid 6.8 out of 10. They tried a ting and I aint mad at them for it. War never changes but games and people's taste sure do.
 
Risewild said:
The thing is why would Zenimax get involved on how Bethesda makes games but not involved in any of their other game studios?
If they had made fallout 3 like they did fallout 4 they would have sold way more (as the sales of fallout 4 prove), most Fallout 4 players who love the game have never played a fallout game before (not even Fallout 3), so I don't see why they wouldn't have made fallout 4 if Fallout 3 would have been like it.
And again like I said before, why do it little by little on each game? Wouldn't Zenimax want the changes right away? Why would they push Bethesda to do streamline little by little and then BAM from fallout 3 (and New Vegas to an extent) go full FPS-Action-y?
Makes no sense to me, Bethesda was making good money, I see no reason at all Zenimax would come by and say "Even though you are having profits of millions of dollars with your latest games. We the board of Zenimax which are mostly movie and TV studio's people want you to do games this way from now on, just because.".
Let's be honest Bethesda have been experimenting with streamlining or dumbing down their games ever since Morrowind was released (even Morrowind was more dumbed down than Daggerfall) and with each release they sold more, Skyrim and Fallout 4 prove that, so I don't see why Zenimax would push for it when Bethesda have been doing it since almost forever, little by little.
Again, why would Zenimax do it to Bethesda but leave alone all the other game studios they also own? :scratch:
Here are all the known game studios they own (courtesy of Wikipedia):
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Why now and not earlier? I cant say.

What I CAN say is that that kind of change in game design can very well come from a monetary way of thinking, which is trying to please the player rather than pleasing the ideals of a game designer. Fallout 3 had many characteristics that made it a "walk in the park" such as fast traveling, low level cap, easy way to start of (aka the woman who sends you all over the place so you could get some info about mirelurks so she could write a book and give you equipment for it) etc. Bethesda might have been dumbing down the games on there own, but at least they had some sort of charm to it, they were really good at making beautiful and "fascinating" game worlds.

Fallout 4 on the other hand, as Irwin mentioned, didnt look all to impressive (depends really on who you ask, to me it just looks like a "smoother" skyrim), had a very Cliche story, bland characters, awful dialog system,....

It added: better shooting mechanics, smoother graphics, bigger world size, power armors, settlement building,...

All of this simply points towards making the game better for console players, casuals, extreme fallout 3 fans (aka bethsdrones). All of this after quite a few previous games which were already slowly roting away from the added unnecessary features that made the games easier.

Bethesda collected a lot of money after all of its previous games and zenimax might have saw that pattern and simply wanted to go ALL the way and fuck the game in too its current state. I mean, what could go wrong? Bethesda already had many die hard and neutral (casual) fans that would eat the game up within the first hour of F4 release, so they were getting money no matter what they did.


Greed can bring out the darkest depths of man.....
 
Cooldawg86 said:
Well I get Fallout 4 a solid 6.8 out of 10. They tried a ting and I aint mad at them for it. War never changes but games and people's taste sure do.
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They didn't just try a thing. They tried like 100 different things at once - all of which were lazy, half-finished, or downright bad - and none of them had anything to do with a Fallout RPG.

This game is the laziest cash grab I have ever seen. People should be upset at the laziness of it and being ripped off by even more laziness with the Season Pass garbage.

The thing they should have tried was making a Fallout game in the first place.
 
Well.. I played the dayz standalone perpetual early alpha (with no visible progress in 3 years) so I can't consider this THE laziest cash grab I've seen, but it is damned close.

I get the feeling that FO3 was the closest they will ever come to trying to make a Fallout game.
 
I imagine if the several teams that worked on failout were united, like in constant communication with each other, and if Todd and the other fucks stayed out of the mixing bowl, maybe F4 would have been decent. Either way, this is great I love rubbing my friends face in this, hes a bit of a bethdrone ever since he got a degree in game design, fucking tool.
 
Now the hype, rave reviews and jizzing over how long its been since FO3 has died away, people are waking up and realised its a piece of shit and Bethesda has been tremendously lazy.
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
Now the hype, rave reviews and jizzing over how long its been since FO3 has died away, people are waking up and realised its a piece of shit and Bethesda has been tremendously lazy.
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But according to Reddit we just need to let go right? It's not that we care about quality in gaming, it's just because we hate Bethesda for irrational reasons and just need to get over the fact that Fallout isn't isometric anymore right?

Nothing to do with Bethesda being one of the worst gaming developers out there...
 
Irwin John Finster said:
This game is the laziest cash grab I have ever seen. People should be upset at the laziness of it and being ripped off by even more laziness with the Season Pass garbage.
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Meh, I'd consider THPS5 to be a lazier cash grab, not that it changes F4's problems though.
 
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