Fallout 4's first review

[CRBASF23]

So it begins:

https://twitter.com/ItsameDennis/status/663393520460423168

https://twitter.com/Tidux/status/663364355346534400

https://twitter.com/Tidux/status/663364627481427968

 

[DermoiD]

You do realise that "international business times" is just a worthless click bait site? Lol look at the name. It's some Indian dude praying for that sweet click bait moolah. Do some of you have difficulty with comprehension? Look at how crappy the article is written. Guy obviously has never played fallout out and created some degenerate click bait to ride the hype train. Lol people putting stock in a review from a site with the name of international business times. Ahahahahahahahahaha

Click bait or not Bethesda gave them a free copy to review. It's their own fault for giving it to, as you put it 'some Indian dude who's intentions are only to get that sweet click bait moolah'.

Yeah, they have a different opinion to what I want them to have so they are clickbait and haven't played the game and something about Indians.

A different opinion to me? I don't have an opinion, I've not played the game yet, I'll wait to play the game to formulate my opinion. I've read opinion pieces on the game, these opinion pieces usually go into detail into what they like and don't like about the game, unlike this "review", which actually does not directly talk about features of the game that consumers would be interested in. Hey, if you actually consider this as a revier, that's down to you and no one else. Lol "opinion"? Ibt has zero opinion or worth, anyone who puts stock in it should look at themselves and feel ashamed.

 

[Buxbaum666]

Yeah, they have a different opinion to what I want them to have so they are clickbait and haven't played the game and something about Indians.

A different opinion to me? I don't have an opinion, I've not played the game yet, I'll wait to play the game to formulate my opinion. I've read opinion pieces on the game, these opinion pieces usually go into detail into what they like and don't like about the game, unlike this "review", which actually does not directly talk about features of the game that consumers would be interested in. Hey, if you actually consider this as a revier, that's down to you and no one else. Lol "opinion"? Ibt has zero opinion or worth, anyone who puts stock in it should look at themselves and feel ashamed.

I've looked at the site and didn't see a single clickbait headline. Either you don't know what "clickbait" actually is or you're just trying to descredit them for... some reason, I guess?

 

[Dionysus]

Sir, you forgot to include Skyrim and Fallout 3 into that category.

Yeah, they aren't like Oblivion. Think about the giants in Skyrim, for example.

However, the minimum levels are relatively low, so that map is probably wrong, or you level up really fast, or level 40 monsters aren't actually that tough.

They all have level-scaling, are built on the same engine (you could argue that the Creation Engine is not an updated Gamebyro Engine, but honestly, I doubt anyone could name at least 5 differences between the two), and all three of these games have the same design philosophies. So basically, yes they are.

Giants are not a good example, as there are simple methods to killing them while playing as a low level character (Watch this for an example).

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

 

[Willy Rogers]

You do realise that "international business times" is just a worthless click bait site? Lol look at the name. It's some Indian dude praying for that sweet click bait moolah. Do some of you have difficulty with comprehension? Look at how crappy the article is written. Guy obviously has never played fallout out and created some degenerate click bait to ride the hype train. Lol people putting stock in a review from a site with the name of international business times. Ahahahahahahahahaha

Click bait or not Bethesda gave them a free copy to review. It's their own fault for giving it to, as you put it 'some Indian dude who's intentions are only to get that sweet click bait moolah'.

Yeah, they have a different opinion to what I want them to have so they are clickbait and haven't played the game and something about Indians.

A different opinion to me? I don't have an opinion, I've not played the game yet, I'll wait to play the game to formulate my opinion. I've read opinion pieces on the game, these opinion pieces usually go into detail into what they like and don't like about the game, unlike this "review", which actually does not directly talk about features of the game that consumers would be interested in. Hey, if you actually consider this as a revier, that's down to you and no one else. Lol "opinion"? Ibt has zero opinion or worth, anyone who puts stock in it should look at themselves and feel ashamed.

Yeah, you don't have an opinion. Nope, registering here and insulting people, calling a website worthless clickbait. Yeah, you're right, you don't have an opinion. Have a nice time here at NMA!

 

[Walpknut]

Ladies, Gentlement, better find a good mast to tie yourselves to. The Bethdrone storm is looming over the horizon.

 

[DermoiD]

"Fans" of a game that hasn't even come out registering to insult some random review while telling others they are butthurt. Man, are this the first drops of the Bethdrone storm we are going to get next week?

Do you actually consider it as a review? See there's two sides of a coin here. You call it a review, I don't. It's not actually a review, but some people see a negative review and take it as gospel. Anyone who likes games wouldn't give the time of day to international business times opinion on a game. Also, the butt hurt remark comes from someone who was crying about not getting the new Vegas reskin that they wanted, not because they believe a lame review they provides zero detail about the experience that is supposedly reviewing,. It could also apply to people who are offended that this "review" is called out for the obvious bullshit that it is. Do you actually give this review creedence and if so, why?

Oh I just joined , so what? You think because you signed up to an internet forum before someone else that you have some kind of sense of entitlement and superiority? Congrats.

 

[Walpknut]

Man, you didn't just jump to conclusions, you run headfirst into them. When did I say any the of the things you are rambling about?

I am just making a statement on the usual behavior that precedes any major Fallout announcement nowadays.

 

[Willy Rogers]

Geez, they really want us to bite don't they?

 

[Hassknecht]

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

Actually, Morrowind had barely any level scaling, and New Vegas and Daggerfall both had somewhat limited scaling.

 

[Walpknut]

New Vegas Level scaling was only really felt in Lonsome Road, with those ridiculous High Level Tunnelers.

 

[Willy Rogers]

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

Actually, Morrowind had barely any level scaling, and New Vegas and Daggerfall both had somewhat limited scaling.

And of course, in New Vegas there's the Deathclaw Promentary. Still have nightmares.

 

[Dionysus]

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

Actually, Morrowind had barely any level scaling, and New Vegas and Daggerfall both had somewhat limited scaling.

Yeah, I think we just remember things differently. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were basically the same. Daggerfall was way over-the-top. It's probably the closest thing to Oblivion. In Morrowind it was super obvious when exploring the world map, but the interiors had less scaling.

 

[5545Trey]

Sir, you forgot to include Skyrim and Fallout 3 into that category.

Yeah, they aren't like Oblivion. Think about the giants in Skyrim, for example.

However, the minimum levels are relatively low, so that map is probably wrong, or you level up really fast, or level 40 monsters aren't actually that tough.

They all have level-scaling, are built on the same engine (you could argue that the Creation Engine is not an updated Gamebyro Engine, but honestly, I doubt anyone could name at least 5 differences between the two), and all three of these games have the same design philosophies. So basically, yes they are.

Giants are not a good example, as there are simple methods to killing them while playing as a low level character (Watch this for an example).

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

The reason I am not throwing those games into the same category as the other three is because the only thing that scaled to your level in Morrowind were the Dark Brotherhood assassins, and speaking to a town guard will virtually cease any further assassination attempts. Daggerfall is a terrible, pixelated bugfest of a video game, so why I should all care if it has level-scaling or not? I doubt it is barely noticeable, anyway. New Vegas has level-scaling, but nowhere near excessive or badly implemented because Obsidian were smart enough to actually have it limited and uncommon.

Having the designed focus on the PC's unlimited choice of freedom was also what got millions of people hyped for Skryim.

 

[CRBASF23]

 

[DermoiD]

Apologies, I'm not a member of any forums, so my etiquette is poor. so if you can forgive the insults, ( my bad, hold my hands up, sorry for being an antagonistic ass) I'll make my point more constructively, so that debate and discussion can take place.

I don't mind bad reviews of games, I've read too many over hyped and harsh reviews throughout the years to put much stock in them.

The reasons that I find this " review" troubling is that it's not from a legitimate games site ( although we all know sites can be very jaded in reviews, especially from my personal experiences with shadow of mordor)

Also, the mere fact the review goes into very little details about the game. No detailed mentions of combat, perks system etc etc.

It implies that fallout 3 fans would be happy with the game, implying more of the same of fallout 3. Whilst we all know from reading and watching vids etc, that there's vast differences from the last iteration.

It literally does not expand on the game and provide any genuine insight to new comers or veterans as to why they should buy or should avoid the game.

I find the review suspect and I question it's legitimacy. If the game sucks, it sucks , reviews won't change that. I've spent plenty of cash on shitty games to get it. I've also spent plenty of money on games that got shit reviews that I loved. So if the game is shit, ill tell people how disappointed I am and how shit it is!!

Again, sorry if I was a douche, I genuinely would appreciate actual discussion based on the review in question.

Thanks.

 

[5545Trey]

Much better.

 

[Kilus]

"Fans" of a game that hasn't even come out registering to insult some random review while telling others they are butthurt. Man, are this the first drops of the Bethdrone storm we are going to get next week?

Do you actually consider it as a review? See there's two sides of a coin here. You call it a review, I don't. It's not actually a review, but some people see a negative review and take it as gospel. Anyone who likes games wouldn't give the time of day to international business times opinion on a game. Also, the butt hurt remark comes from someone who was crying about not getting the new Vegas reskin that they wanted, not because they believe a lame review they provides zero detail about the experience that is supposedly reviewing,. It could also apply to people who are offended that this "review" is called out for the obvious bullshit that it is. Do you actually give this review creedence and if so, why?

Oh I just joined , so what? You think because you signed up to an internet forum before someone else that you have some kind of sense of entitlement and superiority? Congrats.

The only one that cares about IBT here is you. The review is short and undetailed but if IBT wants short and undetailed review then that is their prerogative. IBT's review probably wouldn't have been featured here if released with the other reviews when the embargo lifts but they released first and thus a run of the mill review in a non gaming website became notable.

 

[MosesZD]

Let's accept your premise that this reviewer has never played a Fallout game in his life (which IMO is a faulty one - he does after all say that current fans of Fallout 3 will love it, so he may have some sort of experience with that game to use as a reference). Don't you think there might be a problem if a newbie to the Fallout franchise has trouble getting into the game? If this game's going to be the biggest thing EVAH and shatter all sales records, don't you think it better be able to rope a bunch of new players into the franchise? Especially when you consider that from all appearances so far, Bethesda is pretty much telling a significant chunk of their existing customer base, the fans of the originals and New Vegas, to just piss off?

By the way, if you had bothered to look at that link provided earlier, you'd learn that IBT was founded by an American and a Frenchman and its headquarters is in Manhattan. Vincent Balistriere (the review author's name) sounds more Italian than anything else. So where are you getting the idea that it's some kind of "Indian click bait site"?

I don't. This review could have been written (with minor changes) about Skyrim. Yet with over 17 million copies sold, last time I checked, it is a robust success.

 

[Dionysus]

Sir, you forgot to include Skyrim and Fallout 3 into that category.

Yeah, they aren't like Oblivion. Think about the giants in Skyrim, for example.

However, the minimum levels are relatively low, so that map is probably wrong, or you level up really fast, or level 40 monsters aren't actually that tough.

They all have level-scaling, are built on the same engine (you could argue that the Creation Engine is not an updated Gamebyro Engine, but honestly, I doubt anyone could name at least 5 differences between the two), and all three of these games have the same design philosophies. So basically, yes they are.

Giants are not a good example, as there are simple methods to killing them while playing as a low level character (Watch this for an example).

Well, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and New Vegas all have level scaling and exploitable AI, so you might as well throw those in too. I'm just saying that Oblivion was the only one where the design was clearly focused on letting the player do whatever whenever.

The reason I am not throwing those games into the same category as the other three is because the only thing that scaled to your level in Morrowind were the Dark Brotherhood assassins, and speaking to a town guard will virtually cease any further assassination attempts. Daggerfall is a terrible, pixelated bugfest of a video game, so why I should all care if it has level-scaling or not? I doubt it is barely noticeable, anyway. New Vegas has level-scaling, but nowhere near excessive or badly implemented because Obsidian were smart enough to actually have it limited and uncommon.

Having the designed focus on the PC's unlimited choice of freedom was also what got millions of people hyped for Skryim.

You are definitely wrong about Morrowind. The level scaling was limited but obvious. For example, I didn't see an Ogrim until I hit a certain level, and then they became relatively common.

I think New Vegas might seem to be less scaled than FO3 because it starts you in a place that is very close to dangerous areas, and you will probably die if you don't go where the game tells you to go. But the scaling is still pretty much the same. If you make a beeline for Old Olney in FO3, you'll find plenty of deathclaws at level 1.