Favorite comic publisher

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Mr muggyman 3000, Nov 9, 2016.

Favorite comic publisher

  1. Marvel(aka sjw paradise)

    2 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. D.C.( the comic companie that reboots its continuity every 5 minutes)

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. Image(the only comic companie that's been consistently "good")

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. Vertigo( the companie that's long past its prime but still makes good shit every once and a while)

    4 vote(s)
    44.4%
  5. Dark horse( they published hellboy and sin city)

    4 vote(s)
    44.4%
  6. Idw

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
    I'm sick and tired of talking about politics/Fallout so I thought I would just make this simple thread about comics.

    My list in order.

    -1 vertigo. I adored vertigo as a teen and still feel love for it to this day. it's been on a decline recently, but they made some of best. comics ever back in their prime (preacher,sandman,hellblazer,transmetropolitan, just to name a few). They were one of the first to really push the boundaries on what comics can be as a artform.

    -2 image. Image is basically the "rocky balboa"/underdog) of the comic industry. Image was founded by a couple of artist who wanted to do there own thing and wanted ownership of their work,and they actually managed to achieve that dream. Some of their early work is pretty hit or miss( rob leifields young blood series was probably the most 90ist comics to exist).

    But nowadays their pretty much the best/most unique comic publisher at the moment,with series like chew(a comic where a guy eats food to collect their memories) invincible(a typical teen hero comic with a good amount of twists to it to make it interesting)!and of course their biggest hit so far the walking dead. They also made Astro city easily one of my favorite comics of all time.

    -3 marvel. I grew up reading x men so marvel has a small place in my cold barren heart. They practically invented the "flawed" hero concept, and were probably the most inventive comic companies back in the day. Nowadays most of their work is just shallow and boring, they seem to care more about "Giant epic event crossovers" rather then actually writing good stories. Some good comics come out of the mediocrity(like all new Hawkeye by the great Matt fraction,and moon knight by warren Ellis). But nowadays they seem to be trying to cater to the "sjw hipster" crowd by having "cute"and "quirky" squirrel girl series, a Muslim ms marvel, and mockingbird complaining about "fat shaming".

    -4 dark horse. They made bellboy and sin city both of which I love dearly nothing much to say really.

    -5 D.C. I despise D.C. Not because of shitty comics( but it's a definitely a part of it) it's because of their stupid business decisions. They literally threw out decades of continuity out the window and started over from scratch with the new 52. Except this time the heros weren't allowed to be married,or have permanent relationships(because fuck "character development" we need to make sure our heroes stay stagnant and profitable ). Did you like the flash family and the legacy title of the flash? Well you can suck a big fat gorilla grodd cock because flash is now single with no sense of legacy attached to him whatsoever.

    The only good comic that came form new 52 was Wonder Woman but that was mostly due to the great Brian azzarello, and the equally great artwork. Nowadays their trying to backpeddle and reboot AGAIN to try to get old fans to come back. But I'm not gonna waste a dime on it when I can read comics that didn't get rebooted to begin with.

    Tl:dr old vertigo was great, current image is amazing, marvel is sjw Funland with little sprinkles of non shittyness, and D.C. Sucks a big telepathic gorilla dick.
     
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  2. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    I like Marvel, and while I still love the comics to this day, their era was certainly from the 60's to the 80's.
    There was a moment in the 00's where they started to shine, but I'll say things went sour with the over use of massive crossovers. They then started turning every character into this character and it's now a mess.

    When Marvel have a good run, they have a fantastic run, I love Dan Slott's stuff because it manages to be what Spider-Man should be, a fun action comic with scientific elements.
    Also, Daredevil was pretty fun.

    But then they started to use Brian Michael Bendis way too much, and I like the guy, but he writes arcs not comics.

    I like the days when comics had a nice flow, every issue would lead into the next nicely but at the same time, they would have their own story. Now it's "read part one."

    I wish Marvel kept some kind of flow, some rearranging of characters makes sense (like in the case of Falcon and Captain America) and even Thor girl kind of makes sense.

    But when they announced Iron Man was going to be a 14 year old black girl, I noticed a huge missed opportunity. The comic could have been about a sort of academy for young kids who want to fight crime. Tony Stark is getting old so wants to bring a new generation of "Iron Man".

    The comic consists of three characters, you have the white guy, the black girl and the Chinese guy. The white guy and the black girl could get some emotional attachment in later issues. They start off righting small tier crimes until they get cocky and take on a mid-tier villain (like Mole Man).

    They get their asses handed to them, Iron Man comes in and saves them.
    Then you get an issue much later in the series, someone is using the Iron Man suit for evil and finds a way to attack Stark.
    All of a sudden, the kids have to come to the rescue. It establishes them as heroes and that they are improving.

    I get this is clichéd, but I'm too tired to think of anything else and am so just rambling.

    I also like Image, if only for the fact they are more open to different ideas.

    DC is okay... I only really like Batman through,
     
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  3. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I mostly read image (for the walking dead) and dark horse (mostly for Buffy). Other than that I'm not really big into comics. The crow was a nice little story.
     
  4. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    For some reason, not being American makes it hard to relate to Marvel.
    I'll say DC because of DCAU. I agree New52 was big mistake but I'm enjoying their Flintstones comic.
     
  5. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    I kinda grew up with Marvel (as in, a neighbour once gave me a big box full of comics, mostly Spiderman with a few others in between). Never really got into most DC heroes besides Batman.
     
  6. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I don't know enough about comics (not an avid reader) so I won't answer the poll for fairness's sake. I will comment on the 2 mainstream comic publishers I know:

    DC - I was and still am a fan of the DCAU. However, I hated New 52. Hated what it did to the characters. Hated the focus on angst. Hated how every established familial and romantic relationship was separated. Hated how unnatural some relationships in New 52 were. From my own reading up on some of the older comics, DC has done pretty stupid story-lines before New 52. However, the little I know of DC Rebirth seems to suggest that DC seems to realize how much they screwed up with New 52 and are fixing it. The return of Kid Flash and the return of past romances (and familial relationships) are hopefully the first of things the new reboot fixes. Also, I'm not a big fan of Batman these days (I feel he's too overused and given too much focus to the detriment of other heroes).

    Marvel - I grew up with Spider-man cartoons and a few Marvel cartoons. I came to hate Marvel comics after they did One More Day though. For me, One More Day is my New 52 (Yeah, one comic story-line was all it took to make me hate Marvel Comics as a whole). While I was not following the comics, I was aware of how significant it was for Peter and MJ to be married. While I have heard how little the comics actually went with the idea of Peter actually bearing the responsibilities of being a family man, it could have led up to a story (that is ironically being explored in Renew Your Vows). The fact that the whole think was retconned so stupidly and lazily all because execs and certain writers (like Quesada) did not like the marriage and wanted Pete to be single & unattached (New 52 much?) rather than be a father, develop new stories or explore new scenarios, makes me mad when I think about it. The recent Marvel stories & ideas don't help with plenty of stupid event comics and dumb character moments a plenty.

    TL;DR: I hate DC and Marvel equally but DC is redeeming themselves to me with Rebirth that is actively opposing the bullshit New 52 (& OMD) attempted to implement.
     
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  7. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    One of my favourites would be IDW, who are missing from the list. I love that they aquired the rights to re-release the old TMNT comics and their new Turtles books are good, too.
    Most comics I read nowadays are from Image and Dark Horse, though. Vertigo used to be good, too. I usually shun the mainstream superhero comics so Marvel and DC are pretty much out. I tried some of the New 52 thingies (like Constantine... man, Vertigo's Hellblazer was SO much better than this) but decided that they're crap and every third page or so is an ad. I buy the occasional Marvel/DC trade paperback (mostly older stories) but otherwise I pretty much stick to IDW, Image and Dark Horse.

    Did you have to call Marvel "The SJW paradise", then? :P
     
  8. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    I loves that TMNT comic. It combines all the good aspects of the different adaptions of TMNT.
    There is also Young Justice Season 3. I hated Beware the Batman and TT Go.
     
  9. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Thanks to the announcement for Young Justice Season 3, I finally decided to binge watch the entire show (both seasons). It was a good watch (really liked the serialization and continuity they had). It was a good move bringing it back (especially with Season 2's cliffhanger fresh in mind).
     
  10. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
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    i forgot about dan Scott I like his work,(I'm one of the few people that like superior spider man). Mark waid run on daredevil was great as well. Jason aourn Thor was pretty great to(with equally great art by esad ribic) but then we got "chick Thor goddess of vagina" for no reason. I completely agree with you on bendis he writes pretty good but definitely suffers from "writing for the trade /arc" syndrome.

    Agreed hellblazer is probably my favorite comic of time, it's sad to see it be raped by D.C.

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    Edit: i added idw to the poll
     
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  11. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    When Marvel suck, they suck, but when they are good, they are really good.
    Yeah, I liked Superior Spider-Man too, I consider it more of a love letter to Spider-Man than anything else (I also got the chance to meet Dan when issue 1 came out and so have a couple of signed copies laying around).

    One More Day still ranks high as being the worse Spider-Man comic ever through, maybe even in Marvel's existence. I just hate it because it came from such a good run from a writer who towards the end, couldn't really do much with the freedom of writing as he should have. OMD was just awful and awfully written, I blame it entirely on Joe Q (althrough he did come help come up with the idea for Wolverine Origin so I can't really hate the guy).
     
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  12. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Oh, I find this a bit of a challenging one.
    Like probably a lot of people here I got into comics during my youth, first European comics, and later a lot of translated American comics such as of course Superman, Batman, Spider-man, Avengers, and surprising also news paper comics like Garfield which weekday comics were collected here in comic book form.

    Now at a young age superheroes of course have a big impression on a person, but as I grew older I tended to gravitate more towards licensed comic book material, you know the ones based on movies and toys such as Transformers, Robocop, and the old Marvel Star Wars comics which run had long since ended by then and which I usually found at flea markets.

    By the time I finally became serious about reading American comics I went for licensed material again, Alien, Predator, Starship Troopers (something I regret a little bit to be honest, for every good written or drawn story there were a lot of duds), and humor comics like The Simpsons and later Futurama which I enjoyed reading for a long time until their quality had declined so much that I decided to stop with them.

    At this point Marvel had the Star Trek license and being a major Trek fan I was of course drawn to these, especially as the internet was not sufficiently developed to stream episodes on it.
    Sadly I came into these when Marvel had already decided to drop the contract with Paramount. A shame really as I enjoyed a lot of their titles such as Star Trek Early Voyages, Star Trek Starfleet Academy, Star Trek Unlimited, and the two comic series based on the then current running series were also finally improving in quality. (for a long time the stories in these were average compared to the comic original series)
    I did however collect all of Marvel's 90s run of Star Trek comics with exception of the First Contact movie comic tie in (no point in collecting that one), and it remains one of my favorite possessions.

    After Wildstorm picked up the Star Trek license I loyally followed and bought all of their releases including the hardcover graphics albums. In general I felt that the quality was pretty decent with only the occasional dud, and I was sad to hear that Wildstorm dropped it again.

    Eventually IDW picked up the Star Trek license and started publishing various mini series based on the series. Unfortunately I found the quality of their stories very lacking, a lot of these mini issue stories read like average episodes of the television shows, nothing really exciting happened that would draw me and make me wonder what happened next.
    It also did not help that the TNG mini series had various references to Star Trek Enterprise, a show I rather loathed for its average episodes, bad characters, and ST history retcons.

    IDW only released a few ST mini series that I really liked and found worth collecting.
    I think IDW's best decision was to allow John Byrne to start making Star Trek stories because his material was in general a lot better than that of the other IDW writers.
    The Tipton brothers were doing a lot of stories and their stories were in general more 'miss' than 'hit'.

    When the new ST movies came out IDW decided to switch and focus almost completely on these (with exception of John Byrne), giving it an ongoing series.
    Well I don't like the new movies, and when the new series was announced it was also mentioned that it would re-imagine the old series episodes with the new casts. That didn't help to sell this series much either. I read comics to read new stories, not re-imaging of old stories. (one of the reasons why I also rather dislike the superhero comic reboots that happen from time to time)

    After having followed this series for a while I decided that I pretty much had enough of IDW's Star Trek with the exception of John Byrne's Star Trek comics and asked the comic store owner who was keeping them back for me to stop doing so.

    I really feel I have not missed out much as Star Trek has gone the route as so many other comics do when they seek to appeal to more people than just their standard audience; the Crossover!

    There was already a TNG-Doctor Who Crossover that I found very average, going to much for the tropes of each franchise. Also you would think such a crossover would go for what fans would like to see the most; Captain Kirk and the crew meet the Fourth Doctor and having an adventure.
    Well other than a cameo/flashback the action is mostly on Pre Generations TNG and the Eleventh Doctor who must fight a Borg-Cyberman Alliance. (which actually makes the Borg invasion in First Contact look pathetic. Normally that should be praise worthy but I kind of feel that the writers wanted to upstage the only decent TNG movie)

    Well there has been Star Trek-Planet of the Apes since then, Star Trek meets the Green Lantern which apparently will get a sequel.

    Recently IDW has finally been releasing a ST comic publication that garnered my interest again, a bi monthly release that has short stories from all over the main franchise that tries to be a bit more like the shows.

    However IDW has now also announced a TNG – Aliens crossover, something that boggles my mind.
    The TNG crew is far better equipped than the Ellen Ripley and the Nostromo crew, or the Colonial Space Marines, to deal with the unknown.
    Most likely the TNG rule book will have to be thrown out in order to make the xenomorphs actually work as a threat as I think that the Enterprise's sensors and transporters and handphasers would make quick work of them.

    Thing is, I don't think the xenomorphs are any more the scary creatures they once were in Alien and Aliens, they have become to overexposed.

    Enough Trek, time for Wars.

    You might think that as a comic reader who is into licensed comics that Dark Horse's Star Wars comics would also appeal to me.
    Well they did for a while, especially their reprints of the newspaper comics, adaptations such as the Thrawn trilogy, and the X Wing comics that take place before the book series of the same name.
    But I really couldn't care much about the Dark Empire stuff which even then I already recognized as being rather average, and the Old Republic stuff because of the ugly art (and when I decided to read them later I also discovered what a mess their storylines were, there is barely any time for development as the comics jump from event to event. I think Kevin J Anderson is an average writer in general)

    Then Episode 1 came out and Dark Horse started to focus on material around and later on the Clone Wars.
    At the same time they also did a lot more Jedi vs Sith stuff that eventually also became rather done to death.

    There were also these ongoing Republic/Empire Rebellion series, but I was pretty fed up of Star Wars by then because of how suddenly it was completely in public again.

    I do however think that their Pre KOTOR1 comic series, Knight Errant, and Dawn of the Jedi stuff were pretty good.


    Anyway, I think around ten years ago I finally decided to venture into original material no longer licensed comics, and discovered how good and sometimes superior these series or mini series are compared to the earlier mentioned category of comics.

    Edit: at this point I realized that I had no interest in superhero comics. A lot of them had been running for so long that it would be difficult to get into them, and reading some series would mean that I would eventually also have to read crossovers which I in general detest.
    I also find that some superheroes have become incredibly cliche such as Batman which I feel is way to overhyped by its fandom.

    Though I am always on the look out for science fiction comics I also developed an interest in comics dealing with the supernatural and horror (as I am an Indiana Jones fan who enjoys the more fantastic elements that would a logical next step), and after having seen the first Hellboy movie I discovered the Hellboy comics and all the other spin offs in this franchise such as the BPRD comics.
    I have been a fan of the franchise and other work by Mike Mignola since then such as Baltimore and Joe Golem.

    Dark Horse has also been releasing some other comics since then I find interesting to read such as Weird Detective and Colder.
    Occasionally I still look at their Alien and Predator titles but I think the highest point of those franchises has passed.


    Someone mentioned Teenage Mutant Ninja Turles here, in particular the new IDW series.
    Interesting coincidence really as I have been reading a lot of TMNT comics for the last two months.

    My interest in the TMNT franchise started back in the 80s/90s when the Fred Wolf cartoon aired on Dutch television. I did not know that it was based on an Indie comic (and I probably would not have been able to understand them as I did not know English, plus the cartoon was more colorful than the gritty Mirage comic that was really meant for older readers).

    A Dutch publisher that also handled a lot of Superhero comics and other licensed comics started to publish the Archie TMNT Adventure series (which was actually by artists from Mirage, much to my surprise).
    After a few adaptations of the cartoon's first season and second season it started to produce original stories (there was apparently a clash between Mirage and Fred Wolf) which really appealed to me as the stories became more serious and there was a longer running storyline thread interwoven in them.

    In general I really enjoyed the comics, but then the main writer started to use the comics as a platform for his own views on environmentalism and politics.
    And after he had written out the main antagonists Shredder and Krang (both would make an occasional re appearance) the antagonists suddenly became big business and such.

    After a rather boring arc in South America the series had one last highlight for me before going into decline again. By then I was pretty fed up by eco messaging that even at that age became rather obvious (and obnoxious) to me.

    Years later I decided to read the entire run in complete English again along with the mini series and spin offs. As someone else in a review mentioned, the TMNT Adventure series is perhaps better than a licensed comic should be, at some point it handled subjects like culture and religion from other nations and people

    This resulted in a rather amusing letter exchange between a child's Christian mother and the main writer. The mom apparently took offense that the writer had put the Japanese creation myth of the world into a story. I can't imagine what the shit storm might have been like when he also brought up Buddhism, or Islam without portraying as being warlike and oppressive and instead just telling what it is about.

    There were actually a few more story arcs I would probably have enjoyed reading back then, but dammit, the eco preaching, the damn eco preaching!
    Yes, I get that we need to be careful with the environment on which we as a species depend, but talking about the cause and effect of the greenhouse effect during a battle?!
    Hell occasionally the story came to a standstill so that the writer could put a character on a soapbox.

    The writer did introduce an interesting character, a rather merciless businessman named Null who might actually be a demon. But you can guess what he was into, ruining the environment.

    (the reviewer on TMNT Entity already mentioned that even Captain Planet would probably throw up from all this environmental messaging)


    The IDW run of TMNT. Well actually it is pretty decent in general, being this mix between the Mirage comic and the 1987 cartoon (and a little bit of the Archie TMNT Adventure series).
    If there are some problems I think it has is that the stories are sometimes really 'decompressed', it can takes multiple issues before something finally happens.
    Also a bit annoyed that we get yet another “Exile to Northampton” plot. That together with the “Return to New York” plotline has become such a tired repeat. (not sure if the 2003 series had it, but probably as it adapted a lot from the Mirage comics)
    Some stories probably took a lot longer than they really should have.

    The other issue I sometimes have with this comic is that occasionally it does feel like a comic advertisement for toys. I would not be surprised that sooner or later there is going to be a IDW TMNT toy range.


    I had also wanted to talk about the Mirage comics but this article already takes more space and more of my time than it should really have. It is just that I really enjoy talking about comics.


    So my favorite publisher? Definitely not Marvel, especially not after they went all SJW.
    I also can't give crap really about DC comics, I am just not into superheroes.

    That leaves Dark Horse and IDW as I never read anything by Image (well their old Battlestar Galactica comic but that was really bad).

    IDW is to much a licensed comic book publisher in my opinion, completely focused on bringing back past franchises such Transformers, X Files, MASK, ROM, GIJoe, Strawberry Shortcake, along with contemporary franchises such as My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.
    I barely know of any original material they have published, Zombies vs Robots I think, and that vampire commandos comic that launched another crossover title in which Kirk & Spock, the Ghosbusters, GIJoe, and the Transformers had to fight zombies invading their universes.

    And truth be told I find most of their franchise stuff like the mentioned Star Trek comics average to bad.

    So I guess that leaves me with Dark Horse. Dark Horse publishes some very good comics I enjoy but even then I find it a bit difficult to call them my favorite publisher.


    Sorry for the long text people.
     
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  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Vertigo and Dark Horse.
    I have grown really tired of DC and Marvel's shit. Altho of the 2 DC tends to my tastes more regularly but that much.

    I also like SLG because of course I was that edgy teen.
     
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  14. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
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  15. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    587
    Jan 19, 2016
    The first few comics that I read were these, Old Master Q and Doraemon.


    I got into DC basically because of Batman but I only read comics occasionally. I guess that I'm only a DC fan because of lack of exposure and an unwillingness to get invested. I do have some must reads under my belt like Understanding Comics, Making Comics, Maus, Watchmen, V is For Vendetta, etc.

    For Marvel, I'm familiar with X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Spiderman when I was a kid but it never really spill into comics. I guess because Marvel never had a big animated continuity like the DCAU. Marvel had a lot of "I don't get it. It must be an American thing." moment. Still, I liked the X-Men but it is hard to care about it when mutant rights keeps going nowhere.

    I heard that they plan to kill off the X-Men. Fuck Marvel. Why can't they have it end in a high note instead of making magic cloud that kill mutants?
     
  16. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
    Have you read "preacher" yet?
     
  17. mithrap

    mithrap Ring a ding-ding, baby

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    May 17, 2016
    I'd go for DC comics. Their editions of "Hellblazer" and "Judge Dredd" were excellent. Couldn't speak for the other franchises though.
     
  18. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    @Mr muggyman 3000
    No. I haven't read preacher. I saw it at a Barnes and noble in the next town over and I read the first couple pages. I didn't Like the artwork but other than that...
     
  19. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    *I didn't like the artwork on preacher*
    Pleb Alert
     
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  20. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
    Really? I consider preachers artwork(by the great Steve Dillon may he R.I.P in peace) to be one of the best in comics.