Female armor in video games

[Crni Vuk]

Opinion is one thing.

Downgrading the quality of art because it does ont suit your taste is a completely different one.

I am not talking about you in particular here but there are some people posting here which do exactly that. They place their "taste" and "preference" in certain designs/art above anyone else and think its the correct way how to judge things. And that shows that they actually lack the experience and an eye for what is a good design or what the requirements are for good design.

We all have our preferences of course. I am for example not someone who draws chibi art or those overly cute "manga" stuff. But I would never call it inferior to what I do well only because its not my taste. We have to find visual solutions to issues in our class and we get our work all the time analysed. And you will see many different styles and solutions in the end for the same problem (like in creating a message only with black and white or creating some logo and such). Which one is now better ? At some point you learn not to judge the style but only the quality within.

The same can be done with the design/art of games and comics.

All RPG gamers see the main Character as male because most Gamers are male. Doesn't make Anjali Shepperd less of a character because she has to share the same franchise as the robot they got to play the male version of Shepperd.

And the Asari are depicted as the most powerful race in the galaxy militarily and economically. Not a bunch of space hoes.

for a long time gaming was seen as male hobby and many statistics have shown that a large number of players have been male.

Today it is a bit more spread. But sadly it is still clear to see where gaming had its roots ...

 

[Walpknut]

some people here also just confuse functionality for an exagerated reaalism wich would mean just making the same shit over and over again, this is one of the many things I have against the Batman Nolan Films is that they don't seem like Batman, there is no charm, we are just watching a dude in swat gear in a tank beating up people and making a Clin Eastwood impersonation, all of this happening in Chicago instead of anythign resembling a Gotham City.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I don't think I know a single person who doesn't consider this softcore fantasy cheesecake stuff to be creepy and inappropriate. Keep your dragon and robot fetishism out of my game, please, unless it has a specific reason for being there.

FWIW, Alice's "White Knight" armor from the end of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is possibly the best female fantasy armor I've seen.

...one of the many things I have against the Batman Nolan Films is that they don't seem like Batman, there is no charm, we are just watching a dude in swat gear in a tank beating up people...

Funny you say that. I remember watching the first Nolan Batman movie and thinking it was a fairly solid action flick before all the "Batman" stuff came in, at which point it lost all credibility.

 

[brfritos]

It is what it is, but when there's total outrage breaking out from one guy on a forum, that reeks of faux chivalry or political correctness to me.

Forgive me for preferring realistic female characters in my games instead of caricatures.

Yes, because male soldiers, heroes and alike are all very realistic in games.

Please...

 

[Courier]

Yes, because male soldiers, heroes and alike are all very realistic in games.

Please...

When did I say I don't prefer realistic male characters in my games? The topic of conversation is female characters in video games, which is why I stated my opinion on female characters in video games.

Where exactly did my post imply that I believed the majority of male video game characters were "realistic"?


Edit: In fact the games I cited as examples of having realistic female characters are pretty much the same games I'd cite as having realistic male characters; Half-Life, Bioshock, and the Fallout series.

Edit: But yes, I do believe that most male characters in games, while still sadly unrealistic, are more realistic than the majority of female characters. Even though male video game characters often suffer from extreme cases of testosterone poisoning, at least they usually have some, you know, 'characterization' or personality going on.

Women in games are more often than not just portrayed as walking breasts as a desperate attempt to draw in a market of those still in puberty. Which is what I dislike. I greatly prefer realistic female characters to "lol tits & ass" female characters. It's just embarrassing.

 

[Walpknut]

I think the word realistic is being misused here, like saying all women and men are smart and interesting and characters that are shallow are not realistic? there are a lot of people that seem like caricatures, I think the appropiate term would be "Solid" chaacters, not realistic.

 

[Sabirah]

It is what it is, but when there's total outrage breaking out from one guy on a forum, that reeks of faux chivalry or political correctness to me.

Forgive me for preferring realistic female characters in my games instead of caricatures.

Yes, because male soldiers, heroes and alike are all very realistic in games.

Please...

At least there is more to most men in most games than a walking pair of boobs for firang to oogle at

 

[Tagaziel]

some people here also just confuse functionality for an exagerated reaalism wich would mean just making the same shit over and over again, this is one of the many things I have against the Batman Nolan Films is that they don't seem like Batman, there is no charm, we are just watching a dude in swat gear in a tank beating up people and making a Clin Eastwood impersonation, all of this happening in Chicago instead of anythign resembling a Gotham City.

Which is the exact reason I love Nolan's Batman movies. Gimmicky villains with gimmicky plans and gimmicky mooks (every Batman movie before Nolan, to me)? Sorry, I prefer the much grittier, realistic Batman.

Although I do love Batman and Robin's city design. In terms of plausiblity, it's ridiculous, but looks lovely.

 

[Walpknut]

Tagaziel, there have been lots of very good Batman Stories that make use of the liberties a fantasy setting gives you to good effect, and the Nolan movies replae gimmicky mooks and villians with mob bosses and thugs, so what's the point of making it Batman? realistic doesn't need to mean devoid of every bit of charm, a realisti batman would have him completely failing to make any difference in Gotham because he refuses to kill and tying up a thug doesn't ensure he will be put to jjail for more than 24 hours, peopel woud easily track his TAN of a Batmobile back to where he pulls it out, wanna see a movie like that? maybe for a stand alone comic it would be funny.

In summary, SWATMAN is a pretty pointless movie with the BATMAN trademark slapped on to it to get people to watch it.

 

[Courier]

and the Nolan movies replae gimmicky mooks and villians with mob bosses and thugs, so what's the point of making it Batman?

Wasn't it kind of the point of "The Dark Knight" that Batman was starting to bring out something worse in the city than just mob bosses and thugs?

Joker could only do what he did in TDK because Batman had made the mob bosses so desperate that they had to turn to a lunatic for help, which in turn eventually led to Dent becoming Two-Face.

 

[Walpknut]

Yeah, the Joker was the only good thing in the Nolan Movies. Two-face was barely even in the movie, Dent basically turned into a background character after the disfiguration and started to break the movies rules before being dspatched in a very anticlimatic way.

 

[Crni Vuk]

When did I say I don't prefer realistic male characters in my games? The topic of conversation is female characters in video games, which is why I stated my opinion on female characters in video games.

No but its just a bit strange to ask for realism in armor when we talk about games which contain Dragons, Wizards, and a ton other sometimes even ridiculous stuff. I mean this more in general. I dont think that you asked specifically for realism.

The gear has to feel consistend with the art direction of the game if you ask me - regardless if we talk about Fallout or some anime RPG. Functionality should be the second priority - but it should not be in the way of creativity. I mean does anyone complain about Planescape or Arcanums design ?

Realism even should be the last of your concerns. Unless you are playing a simulation but that is a whole differet story for itself.

Which is the exact reason I love Nolan's Batman movies. Gimmicky villains with gimmicky plans and gimmicky mooks (every Batman movie before Nolan, to me)? Sorry, I prefer the much grittier, realistic Batman.

Though its interesting to keep in mind how Batman actually started.

 

[brfritos]

It is what it is, but when there's total outrage breaking out from one guy on a forum, that reeks of faux chivalry or political correctness to me.

Forgive me for preferring realistic female characters in my games instead of caricatures.

Yes, because male soldiers, heroes and alike are all very realistic in games.

Please...

At least there is more to most men in most games than a walking pair of boobs for firang to oogle at

Like...

More muscles, more weapons, more big dick, if you pardon my language?

My point is that men and women all have predefined roles in videogames, wich is boring.
Very few ones make really believable characters of both genres or at least fun ones.
And I'm not talking about realism.

Look for example at agent Tania in RA 1 and RA 2.
She has big boobs, great body but you really don't care about this past the first time you've seen her, because she's fun, she kick ass and she pass a really great impression.
Or Lieutenant Zofia, the soviet intelligence commander who walks in spandex clothes, but is never offensive.

Now look what they did to all women in RA3.

So if a woman has more muscles, more weapons and big vagina is ok?
Please...

 

[agiel7]

Realism even should be the last of your concerns. Unless you are playing a simulation but that is a whole differet story for itself.

Exactly. Nary a scantily clad woman in sight in Falcon 4.0 or the like. Save for the occasional nose art:

 

[Sabirah]

More muscles, more weapons, more big dick, if you pardon my language?

My point is that men and women all have predefined roles in videogames, wich is boring.
Very few ones make really believable characters of both genres or at least fun ones.
And I'm not talking about realism.

Look for example at agent Tania in RA 1 and RA 2.
She has big boobs, great body but you really don't care about this past the first time you've seen her, because she's fun, she kick ass and she pass a really great impression.
Or Lieutenant Zofia, the soviet intelligence commander who walks in spandex clothes, but is never offensive.

Now look what they did to all women in RA3.

So if a woman has more muscles, more weapons and big vagina is ok?
Please...

Like more of a role than just a damsel in distress or a generic "yough girl". Men in games can be pathetic, heroic, misguided, doubtful, fearful, savage, and diplomatic.

Women are either fragile flower, or Kali from lord of light. No other personalities allowed.

 

[Crni Vuk]

how many games do you play ?

I can think at least about a few games where the roles of males and females was better then what you describe.

 

[Walpknut]

Sabirah have you ever played more than 10 games? because there are a lot of games with solid female characters.

 

[Sabirah]

Sabirah have you ever played more than 10 games? because there are a lot of games with solid female characters.

Name 5

 

[Walpknut]

The Ace Attorney Series (5 games)
Persona 1, 2, 3 and 4 (with a huge variety of characterizations per game)
Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas.
Infamous 2
PlaneScape Torment
Catherine
Portal 1 and 2
and those are just off the top my head.

so yeah.... maybe you should try more games before making broad statements?

 

[Surf Solar]

PlaneScape Torment

I don't know.. I'd like to agree with you, but Annah and Fall From Grace DO have some pretty "Mansell in Distress"-y vibes going on from time to time. Under the hard shell of especially Annah lies the same fragile woman you can see in so many other games. Not even mentioning her overly exagarrated cleveage.