First Impression of Fallout 4

[Battlecross]

The reputation system needed some improvements I have always said that. But to say it didn't work because you didn't understand the faction armor system is pretty laughable.

Oh I understood it fine, I just didn't like it considering most of the NCR armor was preferable in look and functionality than anything else you could find with relative ease outside of the BoS and Enclave power armors.

 

[Walpknut]

That's called consequences on game design. If you liked the look of the desert ranger armor and you didn't want to get shot at you could just get the Riot armor from the Divide or the Survalist armor in Zion.

 

[PossibleCabbage]

"Why can't I wear enemy colors without getting shot! it's not fair!".

You should get shot at if you wear the enemy uniform. But ideally you could also have some way to modify or salvage certain bits of faction armor in order to render them unidentifiable as a uniform piece, but still useful to you somehow. But you can't have everything when your game is developed in 18 months.

But "fame and infamy are separate" and "wearing enemy colors provokes hostility" are things Fallout 4 should have implemented.

 

[Battlecross]

"Why can't I wear enemy colors without getting shot! it's not fair!".

You should get shot at if you wear the enemy uniform. But ideally you could also have some way to modify or salvage certain bits of faction armor in order to render them unidentifiable as a uniform piece, but still useful to you somehow. But you can't have everything when your game is developed in 18 months.

But "fame and infamy are separate" and "wearing enemy colors provokes hostility" are things Fallout 4 should have implemented.

Thank you agreeing with me despite calling me ignorant. Being able to re-color the armor could've fixed the issue.

That's called consequences on game design. If you liked the look of the desert ranger armor and you didn't want to get shot at you could just get the Riot armor from the Divide or the Survalist armor in Zion.

Not in the base game, but yes eventually you could get that which then doesn't make much sense since it looks mostly identical but won't give the same issues.

 

[Theinnerfish]

The reputation system needed some improvements I have always said that. But to say it didn't work because you didn't understand the faction armor system is pretty laughable.

Oh I understood it fine, I just didn't like it considering most of the NCR armor was preferable in look and functionality than anything else you could find with relative ease outside of the BoS and Enclave power armors.

Well i think except for Elite Ranger Armor, NCR armors were horrible yet a bit OP at the start of the game since they had 10 DT. Classical Combat Armor were superior if i remember correctly.

 

[Askorti]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

 

[phipboy]

I wasn't calling you a dumb idiot directly, sorry if you misunderstood.. I genuinely didn't understand what you meant since it's pretty obvious the armor is designed as a disguise and having the opposing faction of that armor not try to shoot you would be kind of dumb. I just didn't get what you meant by that. I have no idea what you said there either but assuming you mean you can just switch if people are hostile/friendly towards you that would be pretty awkward no?

Anyway, no one's fucking butthurt at you (not even the one who first replied to you) but rather you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here. I've seen you here a lot of times and it's only when defending Fallout 4. Just like this kostjamoscow guy I think both of you should be more open-minded usually and accept that these criticisms towards Fallout 4 are nothing but criticisms and we're not "hateful" towards BGS for no reason, even when we're actually just making fun of them.

Edit: Now, recoloring (or whatever) the faction armor wouldn't be uncalled for, just like how you have BoS Power armor and normal power armor, but honestly if you drastically change the faction armor, to the point that the faction can't distinguish what kind of armor you're wearing, it would defeat the purpose of using the armor simply for the looks. I mean if you're going to use it as a general piece of armor for yourself you have a million other choices in that. I think the developers might have just wanted to make the armor special in some way.

2nd Edit: I realize that it doesn't really make sense in the case of BoS power armor but that must've been an oversight by Obsidian and I can't really blame them for something that insignificant.

 

[Battlecross]

I wasn't calling you a dumb idiot directly, sorry if you misunderstood.. I genuinely didn't understand what you meant since it's pretty obvious the armor is designed as a disguise and having the opposing faction of that armor not try to shoot you would be kind of dumb. I just didn't get what you meant by that. I have no idea what you said there either but assuming you mean you can just switch if people are hostile/friendly towards you that would be pretty awkward no?

Anyway, no one's fucking butthurt at you (not even the one who first replied to you) but rather you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here. I've seen you here a lot of times and it's only when defending Fallout 4. Just like this kostjamoscow guy I think both of you should be more open-minded usually and accept that these criticisms towards Fallout 4 are nothing but criticisms and we're not "hateful" towards BGS for no reason, even when we're actually just making fun of them.

Huh? Where did I compare 4 and NV exactly? I am perfectly fine with FO4 criticisms, I criticize the new dialogue system myself. At most I take issue with the constant whining and bashing of anyone who likes 3 or will like 4.

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

 

[Walpknut]

Adding recolor of faction armor would make the whole point of faction armor redundant. The idea is to give consequences to equipment choice based upon the main premise of the game, The War between NCR and Legion. THe armors in the DLC were added exactly to address the wishes of people who wanted to have no consequences for wearing the Deser Combat armor with no consequences. In any case the Reinforced Combat Armor MKII is much better stats wise and there is factionless Power Armor.

 

[phipboy]

I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all or compared it correctly or whatever you mean. I was just saying that you seem to be finding excuses on why New Vegas might not be as great as most of us think it is as some sort of a defense towards all the hate Fallout 4 is getting (that might have been a better way of wording it). Now I don't know about you criticizing Fallout 4 all that much. All I've seen you talk about is how everyone's wrong about disliking something in Fallout 4/3 and liking something in New Vegas. That's all. Actually nothing really wrong with that just thought you'd maybe ease into being more critical of Fallout 4 when needed (and give it praise when needed) and appreciate all the things FNV did more.

It's not "constant whining and bashing of anyone who likes 3 or will like 4" but more often than that it's people liking/giving praise for the most nonsensical things in Fallout 3/4. Most of my time I've spent here I definitely haven't seen anyone WHINE about the people who come here defending BGS's Fallout. It's just pretty methodical and people go about it in a mature way.

When someone says they like Fallout 3 because of mindless shooting will you side with them and argue with everyone who disagrees with them? Or will you simply respect their opinion and move on? When someone says "IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE ORIGIANLS WUAAHHH" will you side with them or will you tell them they're a fucking moron? (I'm kidding here of course) That's the kind of difference here.

 

[Battlecross]

I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all or compared it correctly or whatever you mean. I was just saying that you seem to be finding excuses on why New Vegas might not be as great as most of us think it is as some sort of a defense towards all the hate Fallout 4 is getting (that might have been a better way of wording it). Now I don't know about you criticizing Fallout 4 all that much. All I've seen you talk about is how everyone's wrong about disliking something in Fallout 4/3 and liking something in New Vegas. That's all. Actually nothing really wrong with that just thought you'd maybe ease into being more critical of Fallout 4 when needed (and give it praise when needed) and appreciate all the things FNV did more.

It's not "constant whining and bashing of anyone who likes 3 or will like 4" but more often than that it's people liking/giving praise for the most nonsensical things in Fallout 3/4. Most of my time I've spent here I definitely haven't seen anyone WHINE about the people who come here defending BGS's Fallout. It's just pretty methodical and people go about it in a mature way.

When someone says they like Fallout 3 because of mindless shooting will you side with them and argue with everyone who disagrees with them? Or will you simply respect their opinion and move on? When someone says "IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE ORIGIANLS WUAAHHH" will you side with them or will you tell them they're a fucking moron? (I'm kidding here of course) That's the kind of difference here.

If you're going to keep typing you need to be more clear about what you say.

"you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here."

"I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all"

You don't know much of what I said at all it seems either since you're claiming I'm saying things or intend things that I haven't said. Also, I have seen endless whining over "Bethdrones" and how bad FO3 is. There are tons of posts n this, so what you're saying just isn't true.

And again, I don't care if someone dislikes 3 or 4 at all. Dislike what you want. My issue is with those who keep insulting people who like 3, that's what started my entire issue with SaltPeanuts up there. The repeated claims that "If you like FO3 you are unintelligent" grate on me and I take issue with that.

 

[Walpknut]

For the record I actually think that improving the FPS combat is a positive thing. Even tho turning the game into COD is not what I want for the franchise and I can empathize with those who dislike the FPS on the series on principle, if it's gotta be shackled with FPS combat it might as well have GOOD fps combat. I have also said that I think the Weapon modding system would be a good element in a game with skills and more RPG elements. And the Settlement system sounds better than the Treehouse building it initially sounded like. I also like the Idea of the Part-based armor system.

Hell, if I dare to naively dream, If Obsidian were given the chance to make another Fallout after 4 they could make those systems work within a proper Fallout game.

The dialogue cross, the voiced protagonist, removal of Skills, absence of primal needs, hell they went as far as to eliminate the Karma System and replace it with nothing at all. Those are where my complaints always lie.

 

[phipboy]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

But is salvaging such an important job to the player? What would he honestly do with the armors other than just sell them? Are you seriously suggesting for the game to let you do EVERYTHING, that is honestly COMPLETELY insignificant to the gameplay? It's not going to hurt the narrative, why have such an arbitrary thing, potentially in the way of gameplay?

 

[Battlecross]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

But is salvaging such an important job to the player? What would he honestly do with the armors other than just sell them? Are you seriously suggesting for the game to let you do EVERYTHING, that is honestly COMPLETELY insignificant to the gameplay? It's not going to hurt the narrative, why have such an arbitrary thing, potentially in the way of gameplay?

Well, wear them is salvaging them dude. I'm having a hard time understanding your post otherwise.

 

[phipboy]

I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all or compared it correctly or whatever you mean. I was just saying that you seem to be finding excuses on why New Vegas might not be as great as most of us think it is as some sort of a defense towards all the hate Fallout 4 is getting (that might have been a better way of wording it). Now I don't know about you criticizing Fallout 4 all that much. All I've seen you talk about is how everyone's wrong about disliking something in Fallout 4/3 and liking something in New Vegas. That's all. Actually nothing really wrong with that just thought you'd maybe ease into being more critical of Fallout 4 when needed (and give it praise when needed) and appreciate all the things FNV did more.

It's not "constant whining and bashing of anyone who likes 3 or will like 4" but more often than that it's people liking/giving praise for the most nonsensical things in Fallout 3/4. Most of my time I've spent here I definitely haven't seen anyone WHINE about the people who come here defending BGS's Fallout. It's just pretty methodical and people go about it in a mature way.

When someone says they like Fallout 3 because of mindless shooting will you side with them and argue with everyone who disagrees with them? Or will you simply respect their opinion and move on? When someone says "IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE ORIGIANLS WUAAHHH" will you side with them or will you tell them they're a fucking moron? (I'm kidding here of course) That's the kind of difference here.

If you're going to keep typing you need to be more clear about what you say.

"you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here."

"I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all"

You don't know much of what I said at all it seems either since you're claiming I'm saying things or intend things that I haven't said. Also, I have seen endless whining over "Bethdrones" and how bad FO3 is. There are tons of posts n this, so what you're saying just isn't true.

And again, I don't care if someone dislikes 3 or 4 at all. Dislike what you want. My issue is with those who keep insulting people who like 3, that's what started my entire issue with SaltPeanuts up there. The repeated claims that "If you like FO3 you are unintelligent" grate on me and I take issue with that.

Yes I clarified what I meant by that but where's the confusion? I didn't say that you compared Fallout 4 and FNV originally. I didn't mean that either. You didn't say anything about Fallout 4. I get that. So what's going on? I didn't claim you intend or said that Fallout 4 is worse than New Vegas or anything.

What you define by "whining" is up to you but everything **I** have seen has been perfectly reasonable thus far. You seem to focus on most of the very negative things that pop up every now and then and even that stuff is either just doing it for fun or people just get sick of all the people who keep calling this community "trolls" and "haters" and they lose it.

I haven't seen anyone (other than Walpknuts I guess) insult anyone else. Now I want you to take a break for a sec and think if in reality YOU'RE the problem in this. This mentality is always healthy for discussion I've realized.

 

[Battlecross]

I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all or compared it correctly or whatever you mean. I was just saying that you seem to be finding excuses on why New Vegas might not be as great as most of us think it is as some sort of a defense towards all the hate Fallout 4 is getting (that might have been a better way of wording it). Now I don't know about you criticizing Fallout 4 all that much. All I've seen you talk about is how everyone's wrong about disliking something in Fallout 4/3 and liking something in New Vegas. That's all. Actually nothing really wrong with that just thought you'd maybe ease into being more critical of Fallout 4 when needed (and give it praise when needed) and appreciate all the things FNV did more.

It's not "constant whining and bashing of anyone who likes 3 or will like 4" but more often than that it's people liking/giving praise for the most nonsensical things in Fallout 3/4. Most of my time I've spent here I definitely haven't seen anyone WHINE about the people who come here defending BGS's Fallout. It's just pretty methodical and people go about it in a mature way.

When someone says they like Fallout 3 because of mindless shooting will you side with them and argue with everyone who disagrees with them? Or will you simply respect their opinion and move on? When someone says "IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE ORIGIANLS WUAAHHH" will you side with them or will you tell them they're a fucking moron? (I'm kidding here of course) That's the kind of difference here.

If you're going to keep typing you need to be more clear about what you say.

"you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here."

"I didn't say you compared Fallout 4 and NV at all"

You don't know much of what I said at all it seems either since you're claiming I'm saying things or intend things that I haven't said. Also, I have seen endless whining over "Bethdrones" and how bad FO3 is. There are tons of posts n this, so what you're saying just isn't true.

And again, I don't care if someone dislikes 3 or 4 at all. Dislike what you want. My issue is with those who keep insulting people who like 3, that's what started my entire issue with SaltPeanuts up there. The repeated claims that "If you like FO3 you are unintelligent" grate on me and I take issue with that.

Yes I clarified what I meant by that but where's the confusion? I didn't say that you compared Fallout 4 and FNV originally. I didn't mean that either. You didn't say anything about Fallout 4. I get that. So what's going on? I didn't claim you intend or said that Fallout 4 is worse than New Vegas or anything.

What you define by "whining" is up to you but everything **I** have seen has been perfectly reasonable thus far. You seem to focus on most of the very negative things that pop up every now and then and even that stuff is either just doing it for fun or people just get sick of all the people who keep calling this community "trolls" and "haters" and they lose it.

Again, it's exactly what you said "you're the one who seems to find excuses on why Fallout 4 is not as much inferior to NV as most think here." You're now saying I said you said "Fallout 4 is worse than NV" when that isn't what you even claimed I said. You're jumping around here and reversing things you claimed you didn't say but did say.

I'm telling you what I've seen and what I've taken issue with, disagree if you want I really do not care.

 

[phipboy]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

But is salvaging such an important job to the player? What would he honestly do with the armors other than just sell them? Are you seriously suggesting for the game to let you do EVERYTHING, that is honestly COMPLETELY insignificant to the gameplay? It's not going to hurt the narrative, why have such an arbitrary thing, potentially in the way of gameplay?

Well, wear them is salvaging them dude. I'm having a hard time understanding your post otherwise.

Guess I misunderstood what you meant by "salvaging". Care to elaborate?

 

[Battlecross]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

But is salvaging such an important job to the player? What would he honestly do with the armors other than just sell them? Are you seriously suggesting for the game to let you do EVERYTHING, that is honestly COMPLETELY insignificant to the gameplay? It's not going to hurt the narrative, why have such an arbitrary thing, potentially in the way of gameplay?

Well, wear them is salvaging them dude. I'm having a hard time understanding your post otherwise.

Guess I misunderstood what you meant by "salvaging". Care to elaborate?

To use stuff found around the world for whatever reason, whether it be to wear/shoot/sell/whatever.

b : something extracted (as from rubbish) as valuable or useful

 

[phipboy]

No.. I wasn't saying YOU'RE saying Fallout 4 is worse than FNV. Why are you changing my words? I didn't claim, EVER, that you said ANYTHING about Fallout 4. I didn't claim EVER that you made a comparison between Fallout 4 and FNV.

I have no idea what you mean so I'm just gonna start from the beginning

I claimed that you seem to be finding excuses on why Fallout New Vegas might not be as great as most people think it is because you want people to quit ragging on Fallout 4. THAT'S HOW IT FELT TO ME.

You for some reason thought I said you were comparing Fallout New Vegas to Fallout 4. Not the case. Nope.

To clarify again to avoid any confusion, you thought my comment implied you were comparing FO4/FNV. Not the case. "You're the one who seems to find excuses ..etc.." was just a fail on my part.

 

[phipboy]

Battlecross, would you be surprised if you the Allies shot you if you were wearing a German uniform and were armed to the teeth in France 1944? Because that's the simplest analogy. You're in a middle of a war and wearing the enemy's uniform is the dumbest thing you could do. And I'm sorry, but in real life and good RPGs doing dumb stuff is supposed to have consequences.

Not remotely comparable to a video game with choice in a post-apocalyptic world where salvaging is essential. Not to mention how as said, you could get the same armors that wouldn't cause issues in the DLCs.

But is salvaging such an important job to the player? What would he honestly do with the armors other than just sell them? Are you seriously suggesting for the game to let you do EVERYTHING, that is honestly COMPLETELY insignificant to the gameplay? It's not going to hurt the narrative, why have such an arbitrary thing, potentially in the way of gameplay?

Well, wear them is salvaging them dude. I'm having a hard time understanding your post otherwise.

Guess I misunderstood what you meant by "salvaging". Care to elaborate?

To use stuff found around the world for whatever reason, whether it be to wear/shoot/sell/whatever.

b : something extracted (as from rubbish) as valuable or useful

So I don't know how it ties into faction armor but okay.

Fuck. This has honestly turned into the most pointless discussion I've had.

Edit: Okay so yeah I get what you're saying but it isn't the player's job to actively salvage shit rather than sell them as is. Let other people deal with it.