Fuck Notre Dame. Seriously.

Crni Vuk said:
Leeches on Society:

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Rehab Provides:

1. Housing.

2. Food

3. Professionals who will help the addict and mentally ill get better.

AGAIN,

What the fuck is the problem here?

I mean, Corey Booker is actually AGREEING with me.

Get them off the fucking streets, away from the hospital and jails and INTO REHAB. If being in hospitals and jails is so damned expensive, FORCEM INTO REHAB. It isn't rocket science.
 
You can't force people in to getting better. Sorry to tell you this. But I am talking from experience here. Just as you can't force someone to agree with your opinion. The argument is, that some here want nothing to be done, because helping poor people is expensive. Turns out, it's more expensive when you do nothing at all.

I am not talking about you personaly. This is something I have a hard time to understand. Some here all about individual rights and never ever forcing someone to pay higher taxes or for regulations or in to health care etc. But when it comes to poor people, suddenly you want all kinds of restrictions just so they can have a live in dignity.
 
Eshanas said:
Regarding the Buddha statues, yea, fuck them too. The Taliban blew them up because people kept throwing money at dead, old, and to them un-culturally mutable rocks while their living, breathing people starved, needed medical aid, and investment.

And they're right! People are still throwing money at the damn things, digging up new ones, nearly two decades later, while Afghanistan as a whole is still a mess. The rocks can wait until the nation's living, breathing people are fine.

And the way the war's going, I wouldn't be surprised if, in 2021, the Taliban, now in control, blow up the rest of the things as a big 'fuck you' to the world; and we'll see this thread come up again.

Hell, we saw this come up again when the US looted the Baghdad Museum, when Daesh blew up Palymra, etc, etc. Nevermind the rest of the war, the other parties, the concurrent sufferings, go bleed the noses of the Islamists and Extremists not for a general peace, but for revenge over dead rocks that at best serve as a tourist attraction. Never cleanup the mess aftewards or stabilise the rest of the country, or mop up the other forces who aren't blowing up old shit but are still blowing up people. Gotta get that kneejerk reaction sated, right?
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Interesting, and I guess a good point. I thought the whole Buddha statue- thing was about a conflict between Buddhists and Muslims in the region. Afghanistan is still really poor and the wars haven't really solved anything.

They're now asking question about the money donated to the restoration of Notre Dame, about tax evasion and about the logic of not helping people.

 
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Muttie said:
You can extend that list further to:

-Museums
-Olympia
-any other sport event
-concerts
-music
-computer games
-Hollywood
-books

all stuff that people waste money on that does not feed people, fight diseases or helps anyone in need of help.
The only thing all this stuff does is generating money, like for example tourist attractions as Notre Dame or the Buddah statues which can sustain entire regions.
But that's something only the rich profit from to get even richer. None of this Hollywood and Music millions is going to the homeless.
It does not help people in actual need.
All that energy wasted on this frivolous stuff like movies, games, music and sport is disgusting and needs to end as long as there are people in need.

If all scientists developing cosmetics, would work on vaccine than no diseases would exist anymore.

We don't need cosmetics, we need housing and food!

Long live the ants! Down with the grasshoppers! (Especially when they are Justin Bieber and make billions with their lazy shit instead of good hard work that makes the world go round. Like fireworkers or farmers.)

Almost the entire “work” that is done in our societies, is helping no one, but the rich and the hedonistic masses who care about nothing but fashion, decadence and their own pleasure. It's all frivolous debauchery, laughing in the faces of the poor and dying.

The only “entertainment” a morally upstanding persons need is the bible and the good work for the Lord.

Send those musicians and athletes to Afghanistan and have them finally do something meaningful with their life!

What is their excuse to play a sport's game when the world is burning.
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Another bad-faith post?

If there is an immediate problem, then throwing cash at luxuries is not a solution. France has been protesting a Centrist-move and government that was going to cut their programs, funded by the money of citizenry, and new taxes on the lower and middle classes while the rich were going to get a tax break. Afghanistan doesn't have a stable government and is in a state of widespread civil war. That's different from most people in the states (though decaying infrastructure and rising cost of living may already be close to a 'crisis' point) or most of the First or Second world.

When you have people protesting constantly for five months, or a civil war for forty years, then yea, focusing on solving those issues should take precedent as it's a problem affecting a big part of society.
 
Crni Vuk said:
The argument is, that some here want nothing to be done, because helping poor people is expensive. Turns out, it's more expensive when you do nothing at all.
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More like when you actually DO SOMETHING, those leeches STILL do not wish to change. In this scenario WE have done something. THEY, the LEECHES, have done NOTHING.

So, if we do not FORCE them, then we spend money on unsed rehab centers and mental health facilities, while also, BEARING the brunt of them ended up in hospitals or jails. If this is the case, then we might as well save the money on the rehab and mental facilities then, duh.
 
DarkCorp said:
More like when you actually DO SOMETHING, those leeches STILL do not wish to change. In this scenario WE have done something. THEY, the LEECHES, have done NOTHING.

So, if we do not FORCE them, then we spend money on unsed rehab centers and mental health facilities, while also, BEARING the brunt of them ended up in hospitals or jails. If this is the case, then we might as well save the money on the rehab and mental facilities then, duh.
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You remind me of someone's who's good at fuckin'












fuckin' and suckin'.
 
I don't know about the suckin' part but Joe Public is really going to get fucked good if we do things Crnis way.
 
Who of you here has actually worked with homeless people and/or drug addicts?

DarkCorp said:
More like when you actually DO SOMETHING,
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I would rather want someone to have a roof over their head and some food on their plate, even if they do not want to change anything. But that's just me.

I made the experience that you can not get people in to changing anything, as long as you don't cover the most basic needs. You have to find out why someone lives on the street, why they are mentaly cripled, why they take drugs etc. and then work from there. You can not force people in to changing to your standards, or what you deem as good behaviour. Again, people aren't like dogs that can be trained or machines that can be programmed.

People should have a right on living in dignity, that simple. No strings attached. No requirements. Everyone.
 
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I am sure they will have no problem to rebuild it. Especially if rich people who own French Riviera real estate will donate some of their money the work will go much quicker.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
I would rather want someone to have a roof over their head and some food on their plate
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As I have brought up BEFORE,

That food you speak of, that roof you speak of, they HAD THAT. Their drug habit FUCKED IT UP. You can give them food AGAIN, you can give them a roof AGAIN, it WON'T MATTER. Their drug habit will fuck it up AGAIN.

If your answer is to keep giving them shit, letting them fuck up, again and again, well:

Alert Einstein said:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
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Eliminate the habit, solve the problem.

No amount of working with addicts or mentally ill people will change what needs to be done.

Addiction is a sickness that needs to be cured before the patient gets better. Just like one would take medicine or go to a hospital if one is fucked up. Same with the mentally ill. They need professionals and medicine to treat them. They cannot be left alone and untreated as things will never get better, only worse.
 
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DarkCorp said:
As I have brought up BEFORE,

That food you speak of, that roof you speak of, they HAD THAT. Their drug habit FUCKED IT UP. You can give them food AGAIN, you can give them a roof AGAIN, it WON'T MATTER. Their drug habit will fuck it up AGAIN.

Eliminate the habit, solve the problem.
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Eliminate the habit? But do not solve any other related problems, such as housing, jobs prospects, quality of life - just make sure people who drug and drink just cut it out!

You know what? These people DO cut it out, all the time! Rehab centers make sure of that. Phew. That's a relief. I thought there were drug addicts and alcoholics in the world, but there cannot possibly exist any now, since they have eliminated their habits long ago.

WAIT WHAT, NEW ADDICTS APPEAR, WHERE PREVIOUS ONES WERE REFORMED!? WHAT KIND OF SORCERY!!!?=bv
 
Zegh said:
You know what? These people DO cut it out, all the time! Rehab centers make sure of that. Phew
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Zegh said:
housing, jobs prospects, quality of life
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Jobs: Already handled that.

Eliminate degree requirements for jobs that rely on on the job training.

Housing: Eliminate things like rent control and useless red tape. Rent control has inhibited the construction of new homes, along with red tape. At the same time, homeless friendly policies invite more homeless, putting pressure on the already limited homes and space. Other homeless get wind of Seattles homeless friendly policies and move there, creating a vicious cycle.

Prospects: Could you get any more vague?

I will try to tackle it though. Success in this world, no matter how much we wish it to be otherwise, require skills and a bit of luck. No amount of regulation will change this. It isn't enough to just have the knowledge, it is about who you know as well. Every system of government, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Capitalist, etc, follows the same rules. Guess what? This was true THOUSANDS of years ago, it is still true NOW. It doesn't mater what type of government you have, nobody wants to hire the unreliable. Nobody will hire the mentally ill, especially, if they cannot perform their duties or if they are dangerous. This is not discrimination, it is COMMON SENSE.

Quality of life: Are you kidding me?

Nothing else is more vague? How much does a person need to make them happy? How much needs to be given to a person to make sure they stay away from drugs? You are essentially saying that people need to be given whatever they want, otherwise, they will resort to drugs. My post above already proved this. People HAD homes, they HAD food. They had a TV, XBOX, what the fuck ever. Most people even HAD loving families. They STILL fucked it all up. Not all addicts were just victims, with abusive parents, or some other unfair hardship. Plenty were absolutely fine, they just made dumb fucking decisions.
 
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Fuck Notre Dame indeed.

Funny that president Macron announced some public pep talk as an answer to political and economical demands from yellow vest movement at April 15 but he had to cancel it because just an hour before the supposed speech Notre Dame burning happened. Very convenient. Two weeks later and still nothing.

Also notice how catholic everyone suddenly became about the church despite the fact that France is like one of the most atheistic countries in the world.
 
You have to make your own opportunity and you need your business and government environment open and able to allow people to make their own opportunities.

That's it.

Since your the new young generation and are needed to establish yourselves in your communities and economies and make upgrades and changes, just focus on those two things.
 
0wing said:
Fuck Notre Dame indeed.

Funny that president Macron announced some public pep talk as an answer to political and economical demands from yellow vest movement at April 15 but he had to cancel it because just an hour before the supposed speech Notre Dame burning happened. Very convenient. Two weeks later and still nothing.

Also notice how catholic everyone suddenly became about the church despite the fact that France is like one of the most atheistic countries in the world.
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Cultural Christians and Cultural Catholics and Western-Chauvinists?/Nationalists (not in the bad way for you Yanks, there are degrees to the thing) are all suddenly invigorated. It couldn't had burned at a better time: the Middle east has gone quiet on most media outlets. the Yellow Vests were a bore, most people were tired of scandals and the culture wars.

Then comes this which could be warped to an attack on Christianity or as a sign of the decay of the West and people love that stuff, because what follows decay is a rebirth. Make no mistake: that cycle is ingrained, even if subconciously, into our minds as something that must happen, and if Notre Dame, the beloved Cathedral in the heart of the West is burning down, then either dark days are a'comin and then bright days will follow.

How long now have people heard about the four-generation cycle, the 'millennial malaise', the godless, atheistic, hedonistic nature of the current west, the culture wars, the oh-so-prevalent fight against Islamism, the decay of the West and the rise of the east, the extreme division within all of society - political, sexual, yadda yadda and etal -? It's a home-brewed concoction of expectation that something big will happen, though as we approach almost the end of the first quarter of this century with a whimper, and not a bang, and a new generation arises, people are getting restless.
 
Muttie said:
Not bad faith, more of a laugh.

This „Fuck Notre Dame“ just reminds me of 1000 years of philistine mind-set.

You claim that spending money on one thing, makes it impossible to spend it on another. If that is the case, the list of things you cannot spend money on gets long.

And it did over the ages: Puritanisms and what not they all had their „Fuck Notre Dame”.

Another one you can add is pets. People spend more money on their pets than on people.

So you cans start a “Fuck Pet Owners. Seriously” threat

It's just dumb and small-minded.

It's really not the problem. Social issues do not demand to blow up Notre Dame or the Buddha Statues.

Nor are the Taliban a misunderstood group of humanitarians.

Just restore Notre Dame and if money is left over start a “Notre Dame foundation” that supports the homeless or whatever. Who's is going to complain? People love charities. No-one says “I only want to give money to “a pile of rocks”.”

And economy and what not is still unmanageable and out of control and society ruled by laws of nature instead humanity but that has always been the case. So what has changed and what is point of saying “Fuck Notre Dame” or in blowing up the Buddha Statues.

If that is an approach you can also say “Fuck pets” get a knife and start killing the dogs and cats of other people, just like the Taliban blew up the the Buddha statues. There is no difference between the Buddha statues and the pets of other people.

Except highlighting it more obviously as madness, rather than an humanitarian protest.
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what in every hell?
Also, dude, paragraphs
 
I think they’ve gotten clickbaited and read literally no further elaboration from Crni
 
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