Game Informer Fallout: New Vegas preview scans
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Genma:TheDestroyer
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I like a number of things I've read.
-A character with high Sneak being able to smuggle in weapons where you'd normally be disarmed, and it being mentioned that people with certain skills can solve a normally drawn out quest in a matter of moments.
-Companions actually having little quests and unique quirks.
-The currency system
-Even the playground that is The Strip, with its varying rules and sights sounds interesting to me. Certainly exudes more personality than the 80th subway tunnel.
-A character with high Sneak being able to smuggle in weapons where you'd normally be disarmed, and it being mentioned that people with certain skills can solve a normally drawn out quest in a matter of moments.
-Companions actually having little quests and unique quirks.
-The currency system
-Even the playground that is The Strip, with its varying rules and sights sounds interesting to me. Certainly exudes more personality than the 80th subway tunnel.
Surf Solar
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I'm asking myself, if "Caravan", the Obsidian invented game, will ever become popular. 
You can’t really nit-pick games; they all have fairly wobbly foundations. Fallout is full of holes, and even the Fallout Bible contradicts itself on more than one occasion, these are the murky waters in which we choose to swim. Of course some games are better written than others, or at least have a more solid storyline, but the original Fallout’s were collaboration between a half a dozen excellent game designers and if people started to edit out all of the questionable design decisions in Fallout 2 for instance, there will be very little left.
*Temple – gone - (Who built that!)
*Broken Hills – gone - (Mutants and humans!)
*New Reno – gone - (1930’s gangster rip-off!)
*NCR – gone - (Shady Sands = NCR!)
*Navarro – gone - (A hidden Government!)
*The Enclave - gone - (A hidden Government on an oil platform!)
Sometimes you just have to enjoy the ride and not think too deeply into the design decisions…saying that I still think Fallout 1 is the superior gaming experience, a pity its 50% too small. Bethesda and Co are opening up the Fallout cannon and expanding upon it, I personally think they are diluting the best aspects of Fallout by doing so, but they own the IP and can shit all over it and sadly there’s nothing anyone can do about it. This is just a money earner for Bethesda, the love and passion for a true gaming experience died out when games became astronomically expensive to build and the “investment” needed justification. Even Tim Cain had to justify Fallout to an uninterested Interplay; it’s a miracle this game even made it to the shops.
DemonNick said:
.Pixote. said:
You misunderstood the point of my post, so I guess I didn't make clear enough.
I'm not "nitpicking" about a small hole or incoherency in the plot, I'm talking about making the world go the exact opposite of what a post-apocalyptic setting is supposed to be, and against what makes it INTERESTING relatively to other settings. This is : anarchic and self-organised social relationships, in a context where the all-encompassing coercitive structure that the government is has completely faded.
That's also why the Enclave and the mutants must die to let the setting remain "pure" of any hegemony, but if you spawn a fucking republic and set it to expand all over the land, then you're menacing the whole foundation of the setting.
On the contrary, New Reno doesn't do that, it's completely post-apo. The enclave is a residue from the past like the vaults, so it also fit in the setting, and it's born to be destroyed whereas the NCR isn't. The temple would just be nitpicking, same for the Broken Hills (humans and mutants is not off-setting at all).
We're left with the NCR sticking out.
sydney_roo
Still Mildly Glowing
That desert eagle or whatever pistol it is looks damn nice. Also is it me or the gore is slightly minimised (less blood and smaller head explosion) ?
Yes, I refered to it as a setting twist in Fallout 2 in my first post because I didn't know it was already stated in the Fallout 1 ending bits.
Would you please comment on how it changes any of the points I made, or are you just representing the memory part of your brain ?
That's better.
I guess you can make out the difference between a wobbly traders community hosting a few divergent groups, and a full fledged and technologically advanced republic looking to unify everyone under their hegemonic banner, and succeeding in it.
Tip : one is post-apo, the other is completely not
Some key words : Political unity, Social control (police), Technological means, Population, Imperialism
Genma:TheDestroyer
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Arr0nax said:
Exactly how long after the apocalypse does it have to be before you think people could start grouping up and forming a movement?
The Hub was a hundred years before FO2, so it's entirely possible people paid attention to the success of groupings like that, and thought 'hey, if we organized...' and built from there. 100 years is a long time, and things can change drastically.
And if the people in charge of the NCR had a eye for those with bright minds, or at the very least were good at tearing stuff apart and putting it back together, it's entirely possible they gathered up pre-war tech and built themself a functioning tech society. There were people all over the place in FO2 that could upgrade this, modify that, build you something out of scrap...so apparently there's not that great a drought of problem solvers.
MKSaibot
It Wandered In From the Wastes
.Pixote. said:
The part is bold is very sad but extremely true
Arr0nax said:
If both were set in the same time, sure, your point would be valid. However, seeing how there's nearly a century of difference between Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, your point falls flat on its face and squeals in pain.
Both are. One is simply an earlier state of affairs.
Hub had political unity. It was governed by an oligarchic Council with representatives from all the major trading companies operating in the City.
Yep, Hub had that too. Sheriff Justin Greene operated a well equipped and organized police force, which adhered to laws of the Hub (which included not arresting people without proof).
Hub was arguably the most advanced settlement in 2161, with the exception of the Brotherhood. A supply of water and food, city walls, well organized caravans...
Hub has quite a lot of population. Enough for distinct social classes to emerge.
Economical imperialism, yeah. For instance, the Hub exploited Adytum, using their position as a sole supplier of raw materials for ammuntion manufacturing.
Who said Fallout needs to be strictly post-apo anyway? The franchise needs to move on and staying at the same level of development for years ain't exactly that fun, if you ask me.
I find it very interesting to see how world puts itself back into one piece after a nuclear war, so the reconstruction theme of Fallout 2 suits me pretty well.
Not that the shit can't hit the fan again, if need be. Van Buren would do that.
I find it very interesting to see how world puts itself back into one piece after a nuclear war, so the reconstruction theme of Fallout 2 suits me pretty well.
Not that the shit can't hit the fan again, if need be. Van Buren would do that.