VistraNORREZ said:
Well as a new member to the Fallout community, I agree with a lot of their article. There is so much cosmic hate in this forum, it really isn't welcoming. It certainly isn't everyone, but the majority here (and at DAC) are hate-filled bullies.
Responses like this:
I smell the Beth marketing machine and sold-out gaming media trying to spin those with objections to Fallout 3 into a myopic straw man
only prove that article more by trying to deny any responsibility, deflect any criticism and justify the horrendous actions here by spinning conspiracy theories.
Bullying isn't good one way or another. You can't justify it.
I am also a 'relatively' new member of the Fallout fan community... and you know what I've seen?
* I have seen *the devs* state how those of us who would like a Fallout that is actually true to Fallout, want a sprite-based game from 1997 (strawman)...
* I have seen 'the other side' call us rabid, closed minded, and trollish, among other things (ad hominem)...
* I have seen journalists wish death upon us (ad hominem)...
* I have seen Bethesda mods close topics because they are anti-change (but close it to some other reason such as flaming... but let the pro-change ones go several more pages worth before locking... however, as unlikely as it might be, I will give them the benefit of the doubt of being mere coincidence)
* I have seen Bethesda mods outright resorting to strawman attacks and flaming, without any repercussion.
Because one member makes an odd post about something not socially agreeable, does not mean we, as a whole, are bullies.
The quote you mentioned is relatively true. Every time a Bethesda mod, Bethesda dev, or journalist has *something* to say about Fallout, there is *always* a dig in about the Fallout fan community about how what we want is "something from 1997", our desires "are unpleasable", and how "rabid/idiotic" we are. And it's been that way from the get-go.
On top of that, there's all the things Brother None mentioned that's happened to NMA. I don't see the lot of us denying Bethesda service. I don't see Fallout fans, as a majority, proclaiming death upon the pro-Beth people. No, there are idiots on both sides of the fence... but the ones on the other side of the fence can and have done far worse damage than what our mere opinions amount to.
No, we do not want something from 1997... we want a well-established style of game, one that its predecessors embraced. We are not unpleasable... we just don't want utter stupidity and nonsense in the game. We are not rabid and idiotic... we simply are not going along with the hype.
No, bullying cannot be justified. But neither can provoking it.
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Seriously, though, while we are (to quote the oft-mentioned phrase) "glittering gems of hatred," we are very fair, especially in comparison to Bethesda, their fans, or countless gaming magazines and sites. And since someone mentioned Rosh: I miss him. 