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Stoveburner
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AskWazzup said:
That's a still taken from a video. Hardly the same as a screenshot.
And that IGN exclusive screen isn't photoshopped at all?
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Are you serious?
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They're not hugely different... they're worlds apart.
Yes, a Fallout fan site, not a Fallout 3 fan site, because Fallout 3 is not Fallout.
And strike 2 for trolling.raunchy said:
Keep it up and the next post of this type gets you a ban.
Stoveburner is discussing this rationally and with arguments, you are trolling.
?Stoveburner said:
I'm pretty sure people didn't just rush forward and try to skullfuck you in 'old west gunfights'.
In fact, most great Westerns feature extensive use of cover, flanking and other such tactics.
None of the gameplay show any of this happening. And there are a bunch of them.Stoveburner said:
Look, you can assume it'll be better than what we've seen so far, but that's not a very sensible attitude given the evidence to the contrary.
Regarding the faces, what we've seen so far Mass Effect does look a lot better. Watch some of the videos and look for the face of the BoS Paladin without a helmet (the daughter of Lyons). It looks pretty bad.
The faces are really very reminiscent of Oblivion, which was widely lambasted for said faces.
Stoveburner
First time out of the vault
FeelTheRads said:
Is that the official NMA stance? Then why is the front page full of Fallout 3 news?
Kind of odd for a site to cover something completely unrelated to what the site is devoted to.
But like I said, if the official stance here is 'hate Fallout 3' then by all means, let me know and I will not bother you again.
There is no "official stance" regarding Fallout 3. It's a game the attempts to fit into the Fallout 3 world. In most opinions, it fails miserably, as can be read via the various threads.
And while the majority may not like it, it's still has Fallout on it, the IP is owned by BS, and thus it fits into what the is site covers, like it or not.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but you've got to realize that this site has existed a long time, and has a very strong feeling for the original two games, and the third does not match up, in my opinion.
And while the majority may not like it, it's still has Fallout on it, the IP is owned by BS, and thus it fits into what the is site covers, like it or not.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but you've got to realize that this site has existed a long time, and has a very strong feeling for the original two games, and the third does not match up, in my opinion.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Stoveburner said:
Hm.... you have a point about that one being photoshoped, i just picked the prettiest one of the bunch that was avaivable in google, so i don't know, might be. But i guess i can find a decent, non xbox taken from screenshot that will still look much, much better than anything Fallout 3 has.
As a PA game its probably ok, and will get better when they get off their ass and release the modding tools so that the people with time and tallent can show their stuff.
as a Fallout game. . . well as my coments elswhere point out its a "lets rip off fallout to make our game" game
as a Fallout game. . . well as my coments elswhere point out its a "lets rip off fallout to make our game" game
There is no official stance, and we don't try to get people out just because they have a differing viewpoint (as long as they can express it intelligently in normal debate).Stoveburner said:
But you should realise that many forum members don't think Fallout 3 does any justice to the Fallout name.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
As opposed to what Bethesda might tell you, not everything is black and white.
The stance isn't "hate Fallout 3". Most people here simply don't consider it part of the series. A lot of people also hate it for what it's doing to the series.
Some have views quite contrary to that. Some have also changed their mind... mostly being turned off by what they've seen.
There's really no stance... and the news are here because well, Fallout 3 is officially part of the franchise and people care what happens to it. There were news about Tactics as there were news about POS. Didn't mean we liked those. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to like everything.
Stoveburner
First time out of the vault
Sander said:
By the same token, people should realize that some old Fallout fans don't think it is the travesty that is portrayed by others.
Respect for opinions and civil discourse is the cornerstone of any strong community.
I can respect that some people do not like the direction the game has taken, and in a perfect world maybe it would never have come to this. But it is what it is, and to me it looks like a fun game, and even a fun Fallout game. I will give it a fair shake. I mean, it's been 10 years. Between this or nothing, what do you have to lose? If it sucks then it sucks and it's no worse than having nothing.
I am curious as to what will happen when the details of the MMO come out though. I mean, realistically speaking it will be real-time and not isometric.. which seems to be a huge bone of contention here.
What will the site do in regards to that, especially in respect to the original company and some of the original creators?
Anyway, that's totally offtopic. My bad.
Bethesda tells me nothing. I do see some people here putting things in black and white though, and quite strongly. It's either with us or against us and I don't think it's fair to paint someone else that way when it's quite clear you (not you specifically, but in general) do the same yourself.
I don't hate Bethesda. I played Morrowind for like 100 hours and Oblivion for more. I enjoyed them. Yeah, they had some issues.. and could have been better. But I played a video game and I had fun. Isn't that the point?
Personally, (and I don't believe I'm about to say this), but I've got more faith in Interplay to stick to what makes Fallout unique and enjoyment, much more so than BS.
Having some of the original devs onboard make it more likely.
Do I think it will work, nope, not at all.
Having some of the original devs onboard make it more likely.
Do I think it will work, nope, not at all.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
The prospect of a worthy sequel to Fallout? We already have a Fallout 3 and will probably see 4th materialising into an even more action orientated game.
Stoveburner
First time out of the vault
Pope Viper said:
Well, I have a similar but different view. I think Fallout 3 will be much more of a Fallout game than the MMO will. I do not think it will work at all. Everything that makes Fallout work goes against what makes an MMO work.
But that's for another thread methinks.
If Bethesda had not paid millions for the license then Interplay would be just as dead as it was before.
There would be no Fallout 3 or Fallout MMO without them. That may be good or bad, depending on your perspective.. but as I said I would rather have the chance than no shot at all. It's not like you have much to lose. a $5 rental, borrow the game or spend the 40 bucks to buy it. If it sucks it would hardly be the first time someone was disappointed in a game.
This isn't entirely true, though. Now that Fallout 3 has turned into an action-RPG, and is in the hands of Bethesda, this is basically the end of the series as we know it. Because now, the series is a Bethesda franchise based on entirely different gameplay, and really a different background (the similarities between the Fallout world and Fallout 3 world are getting pretty thin).Stoveburner said:
So, the worst case scenario is that this is the end of the franchise as we know it.
The best-case scenario for as far as we can see now, is that this is a fun game that isn't that bad on the lore, and maybe keeps the option of a real Fallout sequel some time in the future.
We try not to opinionate too much, and officious forum policy for Fallout 3 was initially (when it was announced) just 'wait and see'.Stoveburner said:
But the MMO probably will receive a much better audience. In part because people want to have something to be positive about. In part because it isn't a sequel, but a spin-off. And in part because some of the original Fallout designers are on board.
Untrue. Bethesda certainly wasn't the only interested party (Troika was interested as well, at the very least) and they bought the Fallout license very quickly after it was up for sale. They weren't buying some dead franchise that hadn't received any attention for years.Stoveburner said:
I'm not sure of what you've seen of FO3, from the leaked videos, but if it's a little, I think you'll find that the direction BS has taken is doesn't really do justice to the first two.
Granted, I really don't think a FO MMO will work, I'm thinking more along the lines of ridiculous story lines, bastardization of the perks/traits.
My .02
Granted, I really don't think a FO MMO will work, I'm thinking more along the lines of ridiculous story lines, bastardization of the perks/traits.
My .02
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Stoveburner said:
Yeah, i'm sure interplay would have kept the license to themselfs while in a financial crisis.... They would have sold it anyway and there's a good chance the price would have gone down just enough for Troika to acquire it.
Stoveburner
First time out of the vault
Sander said:
Troika went out of business long ago. If they couldn't afford to put out anything else after the license went elsewhere, how do you think they would finish development of Fallout 3? It would have been Van Buren all over again.
I've seen a lot more than I should have at this point in time, and I will leave it at that. And yes, I am still anxious to play it at release. That's just me though.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
In 2005, while the license to Fallout was bought in 2004.