Good Bye New Orleans, I Hardly Knew Thee
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Montez said:
Is the Big Dig included in that?
"Athens of America" indeed....I can't tell where of the two are snobbier: New Yorkers or Bostonians
Fireblade said:
Nah, we have to pretend that it doesn't exist since no European city would think that spending 12 billion dollars dressing up a 4 mile stretch of highway was a good idea.
I know there wasn't any indication of it in my post, but I was being sarcastic. I just get a laugh out of how much pride many Bostonians have in the city. Hub of the Universe, indeed.
I'm from New Hampshire, but I go to school in Mass. how well I know that stupid Boston pride.
God forbid you insult the Red Sox...they'll hang you.
God forbid you insult the Red Sox...they'll hang you.
It appears the situation in New Orleans is getting worse. Two levees failed, and 80 % of the city is under water (ranging from 5-20 feet deep).
Looters are taking advantage of the situation, claiming they're "supporting" their family by walking out of a store with 10 pairs of jeans.
Sometimes, the morality of my fellow human beings disgusts me.
I sympathize for those in Louisana and Mississippi, it's going to be an ugly time for them, with some areas claiming 2 months to restore electricity, in an area that has 90F degree heat, and 100% humidity.
No air conditioning. Yuck.
They're also expecting gas prices to start spiking, from the current average of 2.80USD to over 3.50-3.75.
I saw it go up 21 cents in about 4 hours in my neighborhood (Texas).
Fun stuff.
Looters are taking advantage of the situation, claiming they're "supporting" their family by walking out of a store with 10 pairs of jeans.
Sometimes, the morality of my fellow human beings disgusts me.
I sympathize for those in Louisana and Mississippi, it's going to be an ugly time for them, with some areas claiming 2 months to restore electricity, in an area that has 90F degree heat, and 100% humidity.
No air conditioning. Yuck.
They're also expecting gas prices to start spiking, from the current average of 2.80USD to over 3.50-3.75.
I saw it go up 21 cents in about 4 hours in my neighborhood (Texas).
Fun stuff.
welsh
Junkmaster
Bush is an idiot. He wants to visit for a press view and get a little relief from his low popularity. The folks in New Orleans and the Gulf are telling him to stay away because they can't afford all the work or expense to give him a photo op.
New Orleans- yes there is looting. But then think about it. The 3/4 of the population that could afford a car got to drive away, leaving the 1/4 that is too poor to drive to sink or swim. How would you feel about that?
And let's be honest, New Orleans is a great place to visit, but it also suffers lots of corruption, crime, poverty. Lots of poor folks in New Orleans.
I heard one of the National Guard leaders say, "We will show no mercy in stopping the Looters!" Translate that and it means "We've got a golden opportunity to shoot coloreds." Yet its easy to forget that its the black folk in New Orleans that really give the place its soul.
Makes you wonder why no one considered this problem before the Hurricane and where are the National Guard and Cops when you need them (probably on higher land). But the leaders didn't really plan for the post-invasion phase of Iraq either.
Most European city in the US? Maybe. Boston is nice too. I like San Francisco in part because it has a Med flavor while Boston has a more Northern European flavor. Depends what Europe means. Civil Law, lots of people of French origins- perhaps the most Creole City is a better definition.
Tsunami vs. Hurricane. Well, it's hard to cry for a casino that's been pulled out to sea. But much of the Gulf Coast east of New Orleans is badly flooded and the property damage is huge. Expect insurance rates to go up and maybe a few insurers to go belly up. Seriously, it's like these buildings got knocked aside by the blast of an atomic bomb. There are sections that are completely levelled. It's not just coastal damage, as the hurricane did some really hurting further inland. Extensive rain before, storm surge, tidal flows- yeah it's pretty bad.
But if you are looking to make a few bucks, this is a damn good time to be a contractor or in construction.
New Orleans- yes there is looting. But then think about it. The 3/4 of the population that could afford a car got to drive away, leaving the 1/4 that is too poor to drive to sink or swim. How would you feel about that?
And let's be honest, New Orleans is a great place to visit, but it also suffers lots of corruption, crime, poverty. Lots of poor folks in New Orleans.
I heard one of the National Guard leaders say, "We will show no mercy in stopping the Looters!" Translate that and it means "We've got a golden opportunity to shoot coloreds." Yet its easy to forget that its the black folk in New Orleans that really give the place its soul.
Makes you wonder why no one considered this problem before the Hurricane and where are the National Guard and Cops when you need them (probably on higher land). But the leaders didn't really plan for the post-invasion phase of Iraq either.
Most European city in the US? Maybe. Boston is nice too. I like San Francisco in part because it has a Med flavor while Boston has a more Northern European flavor. Depends what Europe means. Civil Law, lots of people of French origins- perhaps the most Creole City is a better definition.
Tsunami vs. Hurricane. Well, it's hard to cry for a casino that's been pulled out to sea. But much of the Gulf Coast east of New Orleans is badly flooded and the property damage is huge. Expect insurance rates to go up and maybe a few insurers to go belly up. Seriously, it's like these buildings got knocked aside by the blast of an atomic bomb. There are sections that are completely levelled. It's not just coastal damage, as the hurricane did some really hurting further inland. Extensive rain before, storm surge, tidal flows- yeah it's pretty bad.
But if you are looking to make a few bucks, this is a damn good time to be a contractor or in construction.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
"Black Soul" is a jazz train following a casket, not Tyrone and DD jacking FUBU from JC Pennies.
It's hilarious, though, how every looter in the footage is black, and they keep re-playing the same 4 clips of looting over and over and over again. We know they have cameras there, they can't get more footage?
welsh
Junkmaster
Yeah, but don't forget New Orleans is mostly black, and mostly poor black.
You do a cemetary tour and they tell you not to go at night because you might get mugged and the projects are right next door. But you can't really blame them on the problems when Carnival Cruise Lines brings in the drugs. New Orleans might be one of the funnest cities in the country, but it's also been one of the most criminal for a long time.
And yes, the jazz band behind the coffin might be black, but then Preservation hall is mostly a black band. Zydeco is mostly Black. The spicy food has a strong African and Haitian taste and the Voodoo doesn't come from Paris.
Not to say the looting is ok because they are black and have different rules.
Rather that someone didn't plan for this, just like no one ever planned for a Cat 5 Hurricane, shows how bad the government in New Orleans can be. But it's also typical.
You do a cemetary tour and they tell you not to go at night because you might get mugged and the projects are right next door. But you can't really blame them on the problems when Carnival Cruise Lines brings in the drugs. New Orleans might be one of the funnest cities in the country, but it's also been one of the most criminal for a long time.
And yes, the jazz band behind the coffin might be black, but then Preservation hall is mostly a black band. Zydeco is mostly Black. The spicy food has a strong African and Haitian taste and the Voodoo doesn't come from Paris.
Not to say the looting is ok because they are black and have different rules.
Rather that someone didn't plan for this, just like no one ever planned for a Cat 5 Hurricane, shows how bad the government in New Orleans can be. But it's also typical.
Planning?
Planning?
Wasn't there a 'potential' hurricane hit last season?
That's when the media 'profiled' New Orleans.
Most of the city was below sea level, and needed levees and pumping stations to stay
-- less humid below the knees, year round.
Perhaps the best 'planning' possible in a year was reviewing what was possible, with what ever resources were available.
4too
Planning?
Wasn't there a 'potential' hurricane hit last season?
That's when the media 'profiled' New Orleans.
Most of the city was below sea level, and needed levees and pumping stations to stay
-- less humid below the knees, year round.
Perhaps the best 'planning' possible in a year was reviewing what was possible, with what ever resources were available.
4too
4too has a point
Personally, I don't really understand the sluggish and disinterested reaction overal. I don't understand how Bush could enjoy his holiday while a threat loomed over his country, I don't understand why the national guard wasn't read to go in immediately. Where's the Red Cross? Where's the medics?
Where the hell are the Dutch people to teach you guys how to build proper dykes. Delta Plan, baby!
PS:
"I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said the state's governor, Haley Barbour, after viewing the destruction from the air.
Sometimes the best thing an American can do is SHUT UP before saying something incredibly stupid like that. That's almost as bad as comparing it to the Tsunami. Worse if you consider Hiroshima was a man-made tragedy while this is not (arguably).
Personally, I don't really understand the sluggish and disinterested reaction overal. I don't understand how Bush could enjoy his holiday while a threat loomed over his country, I don't understand why the national guard wasn't read to go in immediately. Where's the Red Cross? Where's the medics?
Where the hell are the Dutch people to teach you guys how to build proper dykes. Delta Plan, baby!
PS:
"I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said the state's governor, Haley Barbour, after viewing the destruction from the air.
Sometimes the best thing an American can do is SHUT UP before saying something incredibly stupid like that. That's almost as bad as comparing it to the Tsunami. Worse if you consider Hiroshima was a man-made tragedy while this is not (arguably).
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Seeing footage of the coastal damage, it's hard not to think of Hiroshima considering that everything is fucking levelled.
The Red Cross and Medics are already there. Unless you're complaining that they weren't on the scene in hurricane conditions.
The Red Cross and Medics are already there. Unless you're complaining that they weren't on the scene in hurricane conditions.
Bradylama said:
The noes! Are there also thousands of people incinerated or vaporized to death? No? Learn a bit of perspective. I don't *care* if the image of the city now brings back flashbacks from Hiroshima for the guy, you don't *say* that kind of stuff on the media, it's wrong.
Bradylama said:
En masse? I mean seriously, what kind of bungled up operation is this. "Yeah, let's shove loads of 'em in the superdome, they'll be safe there"
Betcha in a week everyone'll have forgotten, too.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
BECUASE WE'LL HURT SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What? Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless. Over a million are unemployed. Entire towns have been wiped out. Many of these people would be better off if they had been nuked, and you want us to behave PC?
It was a better solution than attempting to transport thousands of people in an orderly fashion while the rest of the city clogged up the highways getting out by their own means. They could've been caught out in the hurricane on the road, though, that would've been much safer.
Not to say, of course, that things could've been done better, but considering the circumstances I'd say they did very well.
With the way it'll affect oil prices, and the gigantic amount of homeless it's generated, that's pretty much impossible.
I had a sick day today. Been watching the video's and listening to the radio on this. The area is still flooding, they think in the next few days the entire city will be under water. It is likely yet another hurricane will hit devastating the area even more. As levies continue to fail and rain continues to fall should we abandon the big easy? This catastrophe has been predicted since my father was a little boy. Now we are facing a restoration that will cost as much as the war in Iraq and last twice as long.
A few CBS videos:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml
Should we abandon the Big Easy? Should we let it sink back down into the ocean from where it came?
A few CBS videos:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml
Should we abandon the Big Easy? Should we let it sink back down into the ocean from where it came?
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The real question is, what other locations can provide the same usefulness as a sea port?
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I wonder if now would be a bad time to ask what happened to the animals in the Auduban Zoo and the New Orleans aquarium?
Is anyone else noticing the conflicting stories coming in through the media? Over here in Washington State I am getting updates every 30 min and each time the situation is entirely different. Right before my post I hear. "Everything is good! The water is receding!" No more than one minute later I hear on CBS That the entire city needs to be evacuated now the water is expected to flood in sooner than expected. Earlier this morning I heard the death toll is expected to not be more than one hundred. Just a minute ago I heard from the same news agency that the death toll is looking to be in the thousands if not more!?! What happened to media pooling?
bob_the_rambler
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Media sucks for info these days, might as well go and read the Euro-news............thousands dead? no just a hundred or so.....SO TURN THE FUCKING NEWS OFF.