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Seems like i'm stranded without a gpu (i do have a r7 360, but i want something a bit more powerful already) for at least 3-4 months, the retailers here act as if nothing happened at all. They price new products with absurd premiums and so they can keep their old ones at the same price. I'm thinking about ordering from amazon.de (as i did with my chromebook), but could be a big problem if something breaks.
 
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GeForce GTX 1060 will be available starting from July 19th. MSRP is 249 USD, but Founders Edition will cost you 50 USD more (299 USD).
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 features 1280 CUDA cores and 6GB GDDR5 memory across 192-bit interface. The boost clock is around 1710 MHz, but we have already seen this card reaching 2 GHz, so it will be interesting to see how close this puts it to GTX 1070.
 
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so it appear the power "leak" has been slightly controlled thanks to the latest driver.

this is the first time a driver could fix power draw

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mikek17 said:
No reason to buy the RX 480 now, in my opinion. I'm glad I didn't buy into the hype
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It depends. It's the best bang for buck video card out there (you can also flash the 4gb version and unlock full 8gb of ram). It will still probably be even when the 1060 comes out with a heftier price and about 7-10% more performance if the rumors are to be trusted, however the gap will shrink in dx12 games where amd async compute helps their cards a lot. So all in all it might be a toss up, we will have to see. It's also unclear about the availability of the 1060 at launch, because Nvidia unlike Amd are using the TSMC 16nm chips, which puts them in line behind apple and samsung.

eissa said:
so it appear the power "leak" has been slightly controlled thanks to the latest driver.
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After watching a few tech videos, i think this issue might have been overblown. One of the GTX 960 OC versions also drew much more power from the pcie than the official specification and nobody had any issue with that.



Comment about the pcie around 2:10 mark.
 
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AskWazzup said:
It depends. It's the best bang for buck video card out there (you can also flash the 4gb version and unlock full 8gb of ram). It will still probably be even when the 1060 comes out with a heftier price and about 7-10% more performance if the rumors are to be trusted, however the gap will shrink in dx12 games where amd async compute helps their cards a lot. So all in all it might be a toss up, we will have to see. It's also unclear about the availability of the 1060 at launch, because Nvidia unlike Amd are using the TSMC 16nm chips, which puts them in line behind apple and samsung.
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But I buy Nvidia because of quality, simply said running an AMD card in games with gameworks,hairworks, so forth it's really laggy on AMD. Which is why I go with nvidia
Plus I get gamestream, nvidia shield, nvidia g sync, etc.
 
mikek17 said:
But I buy Nvidia because of quality, simply said running an AMD card in games with gameworks,hairworks, so forth it's really laggy on AMD. Which is why I go with nvidia
Plus I get gamestream, nvidia shield, nvidia g sync, etc.
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If you have a gsync monitor, it's pretty clear choice for you, although i would be careful with the "quality" comment. Nvidia cards, since maxwell, are more much efficient - yes, however the way they seem to cripple their older generation cards (which are now losing to amd cards from the same time) and hinder amd and their own card performance by forcing gameworks crap on developers does not scream quality to me.

Some of those issues are outlined here:

 
hey @AskWazzup , i search a lot of adavanced "vsync" like the g-sync or freesync. could you explain the pros and cons of each? i dunno, most of high priced monitor (not sure they reflect its quality or just overpriced) seem to mostly support g-sync.

@mikek17 well to me, supporting closed system is bad idea though. i understand why nvidia is such best choice for some people. better software and driver, efficient and more available third party manufacturer than amd, and especially generally lower power draw. but dirty tactic such physx that nvidia used in the past is just hinder the gaming tech development. competition accelerate advancement, just look at intel whose cpu are just 5% increase of performance in each next generation due to the lack of high cpu from amd. then there is occulus with facebook shady business behind them. what's any different than console gaming? company dictated your choice is never been good idea. personally i dont hate occulus, i heard that it got more comfortable and better sitting view experience.
 
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sorry, I couldn't watch your video (monthly data cap, can only use 50 GB), but nVidia isn't "forcing gameworks crap" on anyone. The developer of the game willfully enters a contract with nVidia. Anything past that (such as claims that nVidia somehow tries to slow down old cards) just seems like tin foil conspiracy theory with no evidence. Maybe your video had good evidence but sadly I could not watch it.
Also why is GameWorks crap for providing
VisualFX (which includes TXAA, DoF, faces, waves, hair, other things)
PhysX (just look at good game graphics produced by it, like BorderLands 2 physx particles)

eissa said:
but dirty tactic such physx that nvidia used in the past
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Again, how is providing PhysX support (which adds good graphics) a "dirty tactic"? Also if you still for some reason want to stick with ayymd, why not just get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487221 or something like that as a dedicated PhysX card and use AMD for primary card?
 
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Again, how is providing PhysX support (which adds good graphics) a "dirty tactic"? Also if you still for some reason want to stick with ayymd, why not just get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487221 or something like that as a dedicated PhysX card and use AMD for primary card?
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and how you gonna do that? i heard a "physx" dedicated card once, but what hole you plugged it? does its just strap in your mainboard alone?

also this

unlike the way of amd in dealing with directx 12 and deman of Async computation, nvidia didnt give the source code of physx to the team red thus amd relies to brute forcing their way to calculate physx.

the recent offender is DOOM, which is uses opengl 4.3 on amd rather than 4.5 like in nvidia for no clear reason.
 
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sorry, I couldn't watch your video (monthly data cap, can only use 50 GB), but nVidia isn't "forcing gameworks crap" on anyone. The developer of the game willfully enters a contract with nVidia. Anything past that (such as claims that nVidia somehow tries to slow down old cards) just seems like tin foil conspiracy theory with no evidence. Maybe your video had good evidence but sadly I could not watch it.
Also why is GameWorks crap for providing
VisualFX (which includes TXAA, DoF, faces, waves, hair, other things)
PhysX (just look at good game graphics produced by it, like BorderLands 2 physx particles)
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Bad wording on my part, they are not forcing any developers, but they are forcing gameworks on the game market. This is bad for everyone, because it is proprietary software that cannot be inspected and manipulated easily, and there are grounds to think that nvidia purposefully guided developers to use absolutely unneeded amounts of tessellation on gamework titles as seen in the video i posted, which made not only amd cards tank, but their own cards (the maxwell generation much less though), especially the older generation ones for mostly no visual improvement. So what all the gamers got was less fps for mostly no visual improvement, but it made new Nvidia cards look better.

While nvidias gameworks is proprietary, amd has open sourced their gpuopen, which means everyone has access to the source code, so even nvidia can fine tune their drivers for games that use gpuopen features, unlike games that use gameworks where only nvidia knows what's going on inside the code.

Amd has also open sourced their drivers in linux (mostly), which made it much easier for the distribution maintainers and gamers to update their OSes. And they made freesync royalty-free, unlike g-sync.

If i sound like i want nvidia to fail i do not, i am sure amd would do the same if they were in Nvidias shoes, so i really wish both of the companies to be on equal footing, since then we the gamers win in price and features.

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Sounds like the first time an AMD driver fixed anything, really.
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What kind of issues did you have with your amd card ?

eissa said:
hey @AskWazzup , i search a lot of adavanced "vsync" like the g-sync or freesync. could you explain the pros and cons of each? i dunno, most of high priced monitor (not sure they reflect its quality or just overpriced) seem to mostly support g-sync.
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They are higher priced in part because Nvidias G-sync is not free, while freesync is. I am not sure about the quality though (i only have a simple 1080p monitor), but it seems like there are more freesync monitors available at the moment:

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/list-of-freesync-monitors/

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/other/list-of-g-sync-and-freesync-monitors-available-august-2015/
 
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more than double performance boost after vulkan support were released for Doom in Amd card

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I'm guessing that my 980 ti wouldn't perform as well as an AMD card in a game with Vulkan support such as DOOM? Haven't got the game but I'm probably going to buy it when it's cheap on a steam sale.

Also are those your screenshots? I don't know how you can deal with the white title bars for windows.
 
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and how you gonna do that? i heard a "physx" dedicated card once, but what hole you plugged it? does its just strap in your mainboard alone?

also this

unlike the way of amd in dealing with directx 12 and deman of Async computation, nvidia didnt give the source code of physx to the team red thus amd relies to brute forcing their way to calculate physx.

the recent offender is DOOM, which is uses opengl 4.3 on amd rather than 4.5 like in nvidia for no clear reason.
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You attach it to PCI-E just like a normal GPU (it is a normal GPU, just a really cheap dumbed-down one to run PHYSX) and then nVidia will allow you to install geforce drivers, which adds in the nvidia control panel. From there, click phhysx and it lets you choose a dedicated card to use. AMD of course will not show up on the list

Also, with that driver, because AMD is your primary card, just use legacy nVidia driver (the latest one that doesn't have this questionable-at-best business practice) as it wouldn't affect your FPS or game stability because the primary card is doing the rendering (but of course keep primary AMD driver up to date)

This is still a stupid thing nVidia did ofc
 
mikek17 said:
You attach it to PCI-E just like a normal GPU (it is a normal GPU, just a really cheap dumbed-down one to run PHYSX) and then nVidia will allow you to install geforce drivers, which adds in the nvidia control panel. From there, click phhysx and it lets you choose a dedicated card to use. AMD of course will not show up on the list

Also, with that driver, because AMD is your primary card, just use legacy nVidia driver (the latest one that doesn't have this questionable-at-best business practice) as it wouldn't affect your FPS or game stability because the primary card is doing the rendering (but of course keep primary AMD driver up to date)

This is still a stupid thing nVidia did ofc
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on the second thought, it seem that physx will not run if there is a amd gpu attached, what a shame.

at least skybox were better than phsyx could provide with particle. so its not a problem
 
eissa said:
on the second thought, it seem that physx will not run if there is a amd gpu attached, what a shame.

at least skybox were better than phsyx could provide with particle. so its not a problem
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Did you try using a driver before version http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/340.52/340.52-win8-win7-winvista-desktop-release-notes.pdf

But yes I do wish things could be truly free (free as in freedom) when it comes to video games but sadly right now the status quo is too important because many gamers don't care about their freedoms (that may seem like generalization, so good on you if you DO support freedoms)
 
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