eissa
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on recommend spec, it clearly want to avoid bottlenect which the video i post describe
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AskWazzup
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The "recommended" is pretty funny, considering the 970's 3.5 gb of ram is clearly not enough in hyper settings (and neither is r9 280x, or any card with 4 gb of ram or less):
AskWazzup
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Ok, so...
From a few quick glances at various reviews, this seems to be a bit of a disappointment, as although it is around r9 390 (on dx 11 games) - r9 390x (on dx 12 games) level, it actually uses more power (and runs very hot with the stock cooler) than the GTX 1070, which is more than 50% faster . If someone can get this for 199$, i'd say it is a great deal (especially for dx 12 games), but with European pricing, i would just wait and see what Nvidia has to offer with the GTX 1060 (as much as i don't like Nvidia).
From a few quick glances at various reviews, this seems to be a bit of a disappointment, as although it is around r9 390 (on dx 11 games) - r9 390x (on dx 12 games) level, it actually uses more power (and runs very hot with the stock cooler) than the GTX 1070, which is more than 50% faster . If someone can get this for 199$, i'd say it is a great deal (especially for dx 12 games), but with European pricing, i would just wait and see what Nvidia has to offer with the GTX 1060 (as much as i don't like Nvidia).
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eissa
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this is supposed to be low tier card. so please, dont ever compare it with 499 dollar card.
AskWazzup
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Yes, it should use considerably less power than a higher tier card. Performance is not the problem, it's the power it uses to get that performance. If Nvidia has that much of a lead in perf/power, then the 1060 could end up crushing this card. On the other hand, seeing this, Nvidia might price their 1060 even more ridiculously than the 1080/1070.
In any case, for 163 w consumption, this is a disappointment, especially for European prices.
eissa
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its the usual cliche of amd and nvidia, only this time amd have an upperhand in software thing thanks to the DX12 and vulkan support. so what you expect then? amd for price and brute performance vs nvdia expensive and regal performance..
AskWazzup
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That's what i said in my first post about this, this is great value for 199$, and pretty good for 220-230$~ (for the 8gb) version, but for prices in any other country this is a disappointment. A node shrink from 28nm to 14nm and the card can't OC, has low clocks, uses the same amount of power as maxwell. Nvidia practically uses the same old maxwell architecture (slightly adjusted maxwell), has much higher clocks and uses much less power.
Looking at this from a grim point of view brings me no pleasure, as amd is the only option for me in Linux (i use open source drivers), but for now this does not look good. We still have to see what the 470 and 460 have to offer, but perf/power nividia could potentially grab the market again if 1060, 1050 use around 100w for the same or better performance and a similar price, which will be shit for all the users in the future, when they are the only card maker.
eissa
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see, if you talk about the price that should obviously apply to nvidia as well. or isn't? does nvidia card say, gtx 1070 in your place were magically equivalent to rx 480? of course gtx 1070 also get price inflated as well. so price number is irrelevant, and you are right about the power to performance ratio.
interesting, the price of maxwell card drop dramatically at this year also. what could that mean?
AskWazzup
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If the 1060 ends up being better per/power at a similar price to the 480, then this is a disappointment. This also means Nvidia can use this opportunity to take an even larger bite of the market and then dictate the gpu prices in the future. They already do for the higher end and nobody can do shit about it, as amd doesn't have anything to offer there.
That means they are clearing their stock. If rumors are true, the 1060 is coming out next month.
AskWazzup
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Ok, so an amd employee has answered some questions on reddit:
RX480 exceeding PCIE spec power draw:
"We have extensive testing internally on our PCIE compliance and RX480 passed our testing. However we have received feedback from some of the reviewers on high current observed on PCIE in some cases. We are looking into these scenarios as we speak and reproduce these scenarios internally. Our engineering team is fully engaged."
Performance per watt/efficiency improvements:
"The Polaris architecture enables a range of performance per watt improvements over previous-gen products. It really just depends on what two parts you're comparing, and where they fall on the frequency vs. voltage curve. The RX 480 is like 1.7-2X, depending on the apps you're looking at. The RX 470 is a more power efficient design, which does gives us the ~2.7X you're looking for."
If the last claim is true, then this could improve the situation considerably and that would mean i might just get the 470 model. I hope this proves to be true.
Edit:
Using more than 150w:
"The graphics chip is 110W. The other 40W comes from memory + leakage + energy->heat losses etc. That means the total board is rated for 150W. The TDP of the board is 150W. Your edit #2 in the OP is incorrect."
From what i understand he says that the gpu itself is using 110w and everything above that comes from the gpu board. I wonder if this can be improved with non reference boards and cooling from their partners in MSI, EVGA, ASUS and the like.
RX480 exceeding PCIE spec power draw:
"We have extensive testing internally on our PCIE compliance and RX480 passed our testing. However we have received feedback from some of the reviewers on high current observed on PCIE in some cases. We are looking into these scenarios as we speak and reproduce these scenarios internally. Our engineering team is fully engaged."
Performance per watt/efficiency improvements:
"The Polaris architecture enables a range of performance per watt improvements over previous-gen products. It really just depends on what two parts you're comparing, and where they fall on the frequency vs. voltage curve. The RX 480 is like 1.7-2X, depending on the apps you're looking at. The RX 470 is a more power efficient design, which does gives us the ~2.7X you're looking for."
If the last claim is true, then this could improve the situation considerably and that would mean i might just get the 470 model. I hope this proves to be true.
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Using more than 150w:
"The graphics chip is 110W. The other 40W comes from memory + leakage + energy->heat losses etc. That means the total board is rated for 150W. The TDP of the board is 150W. Your edit #2 in the OP is incorrect."
From what i understand he says that the gpu itself is using 110w and everything above that comes from the gpu board. I wonder if this can be improved with non reference boards and cooling from their partners in MSI, EVGA, ASUS and the like.
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AskWazzup
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Some rumors on the Nvidia 1060 (no idea how accurate):
- NDA lifts July 7 (next thursday)
- On sale around July 14
- 3GB and 6GB versions of GP106-300, and two versions of GP106-400 (3GB and 6GB?)
- GP106 with 1250 CUDA cores (GP106-300?) doesn't support SLI
- Geforce GTX 1060 3GB for $249, Geforce GTX 1060 6GB for $299
Provided this has any truth to it, i think the 3gb model would be a pretty terrible choice, knowing how Nvidia kepler didn't age all that well.
- NDA lifts July 7 (next thursday)
- On sale around July 14
- 3GB and 6GB versions of GP106-300, and two versions of GP106-400 (3GB and 6GB?)
- GP106 with 1250 CUDA cores (GP106-300?) doesn't support SLI
- Geforce GTX 1060 3GB for $249, Geforce GTX 1060 6GB for $299
Provided this has any truth to it, i think the 3gb model would be a pretty terrible choice, knowing how Nvidia kepler didn't age all that well.
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eissa
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the price and memory is disappointing as ****
on this age and year, i would say <4 gb is obsolote.
AskWazzup
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Well these are only rumors, but they should not be very far from the truth, because amd is the only thing holding Nvidia from pricing their products retardedly. They might have waited to see how much they can strip their cards based on amd performance. I'd guess they had the info on the 480 rx way before the reviewers got their hands on it and decided they could get away with 3gb of ram in >$200 range (again, if the rumors on 3gb and 6 gb are true).
This is why i am a bit disappointed on 480 rx power draw. We still have to see what the aftermarket cards are able to do, but if the reference were able to hit max 120-130w power draw, this would have been a slam dunk for amd and all gamers, nvidia and amd.
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So I heard the RX480 barely yields the same performance as a GTX970 while consuming more power.
And for the price of a GTX1070 you can get two RX480 which would give you comparable performance (if Crossfire works properly) at the price of twice the power consumption of a GTX1080.
lol
And for the price of a GTX1070 you can get two RX480 which would give you comparable performance (if Crossfire works properly) at the price of twice the power consumption of a GTX1080.
lol
AskWazzup
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Depends on which version. The OC 970 draws more and loses in dx 12. while wins or equals in dx 11. That's pretty terrible perf/power for amd, which kind of falsely claimed 2.8x efficiency over last gen. Though they said this for polaris in general, and an amd employee yesterday claimed the 2.8x number is for rx 470, so they did not lie (provided rx 470 is actually 2.8x as efficient), but it was not very honest marketing. It may be that polaris runs at its most efficient in the lower frequencies, so that the lower tier cards in 470 and 460 are actually much more efficient than the 480. Still the 970 is much worse value than 480 because of 3.5 gb of ram and the way recent Nvidia architectures have fallen down sharply after a new one comes out. The 1070 on the other hand would be an amazing card if not for the scarcity and the insane price in some countries.
eissa
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still rx 480 for affordable VR machine
eissa
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got this from reddit, looks interesting for you that compare 480 to gtx 970
AskWazzup
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Seems like the 480 might have some problems with correct voltage settings. Some german website underclocked their 480 and were able to gain performance and consume 33w less than the standard configuration. This card might have some potential after all, will be interestng to see if amd manages to iron out those power issues.
eissa
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I'm confused on what people expected from the RX 480. This is kinda their baseline, budget model. We knew that. Its cheaper than the 970 and performs the same and better in some situations.
Pretty much the reason I'm happy for this card existing is it lowers the entry cost to PC gaming at high settings.
And who knows how it will perform for VR until we get some real VR numbers after driver updates and game optimizations for the card. Until that happens, enjoy a 970 for $200 USD.
Pretty much the reason I'm happy for this card existing is it lowers the entry cost to PC gaming at high settings.
And who knows how it will perform for VR until we get some real VR numbers after driver updates and game optimizations for the card. Until that happens, enjoy a 970 for $200 USD.
AskWazzup
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Well, the problem is the 1060. There were some nvidia slides that leaked and they show that the 1060 is around 10% faster and more efficient at 120w draw (of course, we still have to see the benchmarks). Now this is against the reference model, so maybe the amd partner cards with good cooling and 8 pin connectors will manage to stay competitive.