Gun Control

Arnust said:
If Christianity is the foundation of "western culture" and no meaningful progress was possible without it, how did Greece and Rome, some of the most important civilizations in history, as well as many other peoples, ever come to be exactly?

Spoiler: Tribes ripping off Egypt then another tribe ripping them off.
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Nah man, acknowledging historical importance of pre-Christian civilizations, cultures, their ways of life, ethics and morality, or even some of the basic biological impulses that consequently shape our behavior, society and said morality, it's all just a phase you're going through. Don't worry, it's going to pass. You'll leave that behind and than you're going to be a good person or something.
 
Atomkilla said:
Nah man, acknowledging historical importance of pre-Christian civilizations, cultures, their ways of life, ethics and morality, or even some of the basic biological impulses that consequently shape our behavior, society and said morality, it's all just a phase you're going through. Don't worry, it's going to pass. You'll leave that behind and than you're going to be a good person or something.
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The same can be said for acknowledging the historical importance of Christianity in shaping western civilization.

Of course, I'm not saying pre-christian civilizations are worthless. Dishonest and stupid people are pretending I did, because they want to derail a thread on why Gun Control doesn't work and why liberals are cruel idiots for forcing it onto the world, and turn this thread into a "Jordan Peterson isn't right about my ideology because... um... he likes christianity!" thread.

Go back to the page 100-ish mark, newcomers. There's this hilarious point where one liberal runs out of shit to call me and runs out of lies to tell, and tries to make fun of my pony avatar, only to get rekt by a singing pony video featuring a Marks-ist villain. Here's the singing pony, if anyone's interested.



Then after I BTFO him, another liberal pats that first liberal on the back and ass and they perform a little synchronized liberal trible dance for me.

You know the one, that thing where two or more liberals turn up their noses at you and take turns saying you're a mean upsetting poopyhead they shouldn't talk to.

That little tribal dance that accomplishes nothing besides making liberals feel better about being on the wrong side of history.

Remember: White Privelege is a myth, Male Privelege is a myth, and Antifa/BLM/ISIS are violent terrorist organizations. Typical loony leftists hate these truths for the same reason they claim there's no such thing as objective truth.


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Muuuum, they're still making fun of me for my pony avatar! - Have you showed them the clip where they agree with your political views? - Yes, but they don't seem to think that ponies and rainbow machine guns are actually badass! - They must be liberals then! Don't get too close, you might catch lurralaids or something worse!
 


Considering how much Jews had to suffer historically in Europe and the US from discrimination and racism which found its epidome in the Holocaust, one must be a cynic to talk about 'Judeo'-Christian values. Just 2 generations ago, anyone would have called you crazy if you talked about 'common' values here.

It's also funny how quick some go from "guns are a right beacuse constitution!" to dennying religious freedom to some people.
 
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
Of course, I'm not saying pre-christian civilizations are worthless. Dishonest and stupid people are pretending I did, because they want to derail a thread on why Gun Control doesn't work and why liberals are cruel idiots for forcing it onto the world, and turn this thread into a "Jordan Peterson isn't right about my ideology because... um... he likes christianity!" thread, - and also somehow christianity mainly being the precedent and foundation for western culture, My Little Pony, shitty meme videos, and more whining about anyone that doesn't think like me, and still having the balls to call other people out on derailing.
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Underlined is what you did, bold is what you did and forgot to mention.
 
Some Christian values in action:

Last month, the Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni finally signed his country’s controversial anti-gay bill into law, outlawing homosexuality and threatening offenders with up to 14 years in prison.

Mr Museveni claimed the measure was “provoked by arrogant and careless western groups that are fond of coming into our schools and recruiting young children into homosexuality.”

Critics of the legislation say it is not homosexuality that has been imported from the West, but homophobia. Roger Ross Williams, the director of God Loves Uganda, a documentary about the influence of conservative US Christians in the East African nation, said, “The anti-homosexuality bill would never have come about without the involvement of American fundamentalist evangelicals.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/how-uganda-was-seduced-by-anti-gay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html

Hey, mr Bro-ponny. What is not? Is western culture now the cause of decadence and downfall or are we exporting decadence and downfall trough our western values? I just can't decide ...https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ti-gay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html
 
I think this thread has won the internet, it is one of the most interesting threads I have ever seen for getting derailed and back and derailed and back. How about we start to go back.

With the recent Canadian shooting, there is talk of allowing municipalities to allow the banning of handguns/restricted category from city limits. Is this a breach of an individuals rights? Will this have a benefit? Should carding be brought back as the rise in shootings in Toronto also seem to have increased since the removal of random checks (due to supposed racism, or you know targeting demographics and areas where the where there is a higher noticeable amount of crime, so racism).

In my opinion it will have no effect as those that carry handguns in the city are:
-already breaking the law (so they won't care about a new one)
-they won't turn in what they have
-criminals will still be able to buy them as well they are criminals and don't care about buying from a legal route.
-legal gun owners in Canada have statically been proven time and time again to be the least likely to break any law

Also implementing the law will be rather hard as:
-how do you reimburse legal gun owners who give them up
-do you reimburse those who will not give them up and choose to move therefore maybe losing money due to new laws
-will incite legal gun owners against the Liberal government (most are already against anyways though)
 
Pariah Dog said:
I don't understand the other side of the gun control debate at all. I mean, I understand the words coming out of their mouths, but their talking points are so much emotional, hysterical horseshit undeserving of any well thought out response it's amazing they get as many well thought out responses as they do. Not that they do any good, because feels beat reals in gungrabber land.

"How many children have to die before you support gun control?!"
All of them, motherfucker.

the best thing about the gungrabbers is how they sideline the issue of mental health care accessibility and stigma in favor of "SKURRY GUNZ BABY KILLING AK47s ASSAULT WEAPONS" drivel. Violent crime (including crimes where a gun was involved) have been trending down since I was fucking BORN, a significant portion of the gun "death toll" is suicides (and they'll always conveniently omit that fact when they try and bludgeon you with figures like that), and you could ban every damn gun in existence tomorrow and criminals would still have guns. Muh flash hiders, muh collapsible stocks, fuck you. Most firearm crime is committed with handguns anyway, not rifles, and the handguns used are frequently cheapshit .22LR ghettoblaster throwaways which we've already legislated against with SNS laws to no avail. Tell me about how more gun laws are going to help, please, I need some meaningless background noise to fall asleep to.
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The Liberals in this thread have to look at this post again now. Because this guy's right, Gun Control is a failure, and leftists are failures for forcing this gun-grabbing bullshit on us again and again, year after year.

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Crni Vuk said:
Some Christian values in action:

Last month, the Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni finally signed his country’s controversial anti-gay bill into law, outlawing homosexuality and threatening offenders with up to 14 years in prison.

Mr Museveni claimed the measure was “provoked by arrogant and careless western groups that are fond of coming into our schools and recruiting young children into homosexuality.”

Critics of the legislation say it is not homosexuality that has been imported from the West, but homophobia. Roger Ross Williams, the director of God Loves Uganda, a documentary about the influence of conservative US Christians in the East African nation, said, “The anti-homosexuality bill would never have come about without the involvement of American fundamentalist evangelicals.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ti-gay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html
Hey, mr Bro-ponny. What is not? Is western culture now the cause of decadence and downfall or are we exporting decadence and downfall trough our western values? I just can't decide ...
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You realize you're posting a fucking Ugandan's actions like you think what happens in third-world shithole countries reflects poorly on civilized nations, right? I don't care if liberal pundits say "Homofowbia has been imported from da west because the west is the root of all evil", those losers said Trump had no chance of winning the election.

Oh, for fuck's sake... God, this is a new low for you.

A non-western shithole is anti-gay, like many non-western shitholes. And liberals are choosing to blame the west, because of course they are.

Every time I think you've said the stupidest thing I'll ever hear, you open your mouth again.

But please, tell me you believe a religion can be blamed for the effects its dogma and followers have on the world. Tell me you believe a religion can be blamed for what it turns its people into, so I can bring up the left's hypocritical constant defense of Islam and ISIS.

Remember that time Pulse, a gay club in america, a christian country, got shot up? It wasn't "Shotgun-toting birther right-wingers" who killed those gay people, it was a Muslim. And without even waiting for the bodies to cool, or for the phones in the club to stop ringing, libtards cried "Not all muslims! It's the gay club's fault for shocking him! We should all be more tolerant! Muslims are the real victims here!" so loudly, it woke up the geniune gay and bisexual people in the LGBTQ community, leaving behind nothing but the mentally ill Ts, the self-proclaimed Qs, and the furries. That was the day #GaysForTrump started trending, and I have to admit, it was hilarious when liberals cried "Russian bots!" over that.

#WalkAway from the steaming pile of shit on the left. It's anti-straight, anti-gay, anti-human, anti-freedom, anti-success, and anti-humanity. It's the party of establishment libtards like Hillary and her deep state dogs, and all the brainlets who went to liberal college and went into debt to learn how to yell "Human beings aren't illegal" with a straight face.

Want to know what the other best part about your bullshit is, brah? I don't even have to argue in favor of christianity here, because you're arguing against christianity to derail from your embarassing failed attempt to slander Jordan Peterson, which you did to derail from Jordan Peterson's critique of liberal propagandists subverting school institutions and turning them into propagandization centers, and I posted that because you were derailing the Gun Control thread with "Bawwww you anti-semetic right-wingers hate jews and liberals and see marxists everywhere!".

We're reaching Damage Control levels that shouldn't even be possible.

God, I hope there's a Flame War Theatre on this thread.
 
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SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
The Liberals in this thread have to look at this post again now. Because this guy's right, Gun Control is a failure, and leftists are failures for forcing this gun-grabbing bullshit on us again and again, year after year.

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You realize you're posting a fucking Ugandan's actions like you think what happens in third-world shithole countries reflects poorly on civilized nations, right? I don't care if liberal pundits say "Homofowbia has been imported from da west because the west is the root of all evil", those losers said Trump had no chance of winning the election.

Oh, for fuck's sake... God, this is a new low for you.

A non-western shithole is anti-gay, like many non-western shitholes. And liberals are choosing to blame the west, because of course they are.

Every time I think you've said the stupidest thing I'll ever hear, you open your mouth again.

The best part is, I don't even have to argue in favor of christianity here, because you're arguing against christianity to derail from your embarassing failed attempt to slander Jordan Peterson, which you did to derail from Jordan Peterson's critique of liberal propagandists subverting school institutions and turning them into propagandization centers, and I posted that because you were derailing the Gun Control thread with "Bawwww you anti-semetic right-wingers hate jews and liberals and see marxists everywhere!".

We're reaching Damage Control levels that shouldn't even be possible.

God, I hope there's a Flame War Theatre on this thread.
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Your posting in this thread has been nothing but a glorious failure.
Nothing but a bunch of strawmen, red herrings, assumptions of other people's positions, non sequitur, equivocation fallacies, black and white fallacies, reification fallacies...you name it, whatever fallacy exists out there, you committed it. Saddest of all, this statement of mine is almost certainly not a hyperbole.

Agree or disagree with the topic at hand, for or against it, almost every other person actually brought something to the discussion. Except for you.


Well, I guess you did bring My Little Pony to the discussion, and given your overall record, that is something.
 
Atomkilla said:
Your posting in this thread has been nothing but a glorious failure.
Nothing but a bunch of strawmen, red herrings, assumptions of other people's positions, non sequitur, equivocation fallacies, black and white fallacies, reification fallacies...you name it, whatever fallacy exists out there, you committed it. Saddest of all, this statement of mine is almost certainly not a hyperbole.

Agree or disagree with the topic at hand, for or against it, almost every other person actually brought something to the discussion. Except for you.
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Ladies and gentlemen...

Projection.

And an inability to english goodly, to boot!

"I'M DA HERO UR DA VILLAIN!" is not an argument.

"HOW MANY KIDS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU'LL LET ME TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY?" is not an argument.

"WE DON'T WANT TO BAN YOUR GUNS!" is a lie.

"BANNING GUNS SAVES KIDS!" is a lie.

And you, right now... Are a liar.

There are no rational pro-"Gun Control" arguments. I, and other intelligent people from assorted ends of the political grid, have calmly debunked every hysterical fact-denying crybully argument every liberal has ever made in this thread.

Modern Liberalism is a failure. If you're a liberal in 2018, you're either okay with how unhinged and damaging to schools, children, public debate, human dignity, civil discussion, and the world liberalism has become, you're a supporter of that damage, or you haven't yet heard about #WalkAway and worked up the courage to admit the leftists have no clothes. The incomprehensible clusterfuck of emotion-based pseudo-reasoning and indoctrination can't be broken by random people on the internet, but I'm pretty sure some professional shrinks could cure leftism and talk you back into understanding that reality is subjective, rape is bad, terrorism is bad, murder is bad, lying is bad, and calling jewish mixed-race cartoon fans neo-nazi white supremacists is hilariously stupid.

#WalkAway.
 
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
Ladies and gentlemen...

Projection.

And an inability to english goodly, to boot!

"I'M DA HERO UR DA VILLAIN!" is not an argument.

"HOW MANY KIDS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU'LL LET ME TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY?" is not an argument.

"WE DON'T WANT TO BAN YOUR GUNS!" is a lie.

"BANNING GUNS SAVES KIDS!" is a lie.

And you, right now... Are a liar.

There are no rational pro-"Gun Control" arguments. I, and other intelligent people from assorted ends of the political grid, have calmly debunked every hysterical fact-denying crybully argument every liberal has ever made in this thread.

Modern Liberalism is a failure. If you're a liberal in 2018, you're either okay with how unhinged and damaging to schools, children, public debate, human dignity, civil discussion, and the world liberalism has become, you're a supporter of that damage, or you haven't yet heard about #WalkAway and worked up the courage to admit the leftists have no clothes. The incomprehensible clusterfuck of emotion-based pseudo-reasoning and indoctrination can't be broken by random people on the internet, but I'm pretty sure some professional shrinks could cure leftism and talk you back into understanding that reality is subjective, rape is bad, terrorism is bad, murder is bad, lying is bad, and calling jewish mixed-race cartoon fans neo-nazi white supremacists is hilariously stupid.

#WalkAway.
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I don't recall saying any of that. So I guess I'm not the one lying here, or putting words in other people's mouth. Think about that for a second.
 
GonZo_626 said:
I think this thread has won the internet, it is one of the most interesting threads I have ever seen for getting derailed and back and derailed and back. How about we start to go back.

With the recent Canadian shooting, there is talk of allowing municipalities to allow the banning of handguns/restricted category from city limits. Is this a breach of an individuals rights? Will this have a benefit? Should carding be brought back as the rise in shootings in Toronto also seem to have increased since the removal of random checks (due to supposed racism, or you know targeting demographics and areas where the where there is a higher noticeable amount of crime, so racism).

In my opinion it will have no effect as those that carry handguns in the city are:
-already breaking the law (so they won't care about a new one)
-they won't turn in what they have
-criminals will still be able to buy them as well they are criminals and don't care about buying from a legal route.
-legal gun owners in Canada have statically been proven time and time again to be the least likely to break any law

Also implementing the law will be rather hard as:
-how do you reimburse legal gun owners who give them up
-do you reimburse those who will not give them up and choose to move therefore maybe losing money due to new laws
-will incite legal gun owners against the Liberal government (most are already against anyways though)
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That's the thing about gun laws. They're effectively toothless against the people they need to be actually effective against. They are punitive against the people you need to worry least about, though. So, I mean, what the fuck.

EDIT: Seriously, everyone, I know owning the brony is fun but just put him on ignore or something, he's only going to shit up the thread.

A lesson I don't think enough people took away from the recent school shooting in Florida is that not only did we have laws that should have stopped the gunman from getting what he did to commit the shooting, law ENFORCEMENT failed at every single important juncture in that case. They failed to prevent him from being armed, they failed to respond to the warning signals and they failed to intervene effectively while the shooting was ongoing. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would say the entire thing was some kind of deliberate setup, but I know better than to assume malice where incompetence is an equally likely answer.
 
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SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
Ladies and gentlemen...

Projection.

And an inability to english goodly, to boot!

"I'M DA HERO UR DA VILLAIN!" is not an argument.

"HOW MANY KIDS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU'LL LET ME TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY?" is not an argument.

"WE DON'T WANT TO BAN YOUR GUNS!" is a lie.

"BANNING GUNS SAVES KIDS!" is a lie.

And you, right now... Are a liar.

There are no rational pro-"Gun Control" arguments. I, and other intelligent people from assorted ends of the political grid, have calmly debunked every hysterical fact-denying crybully argument every liberal has ever made in this thread.

Modern Liberalism is a failure. If you're a liberal in 2018, you're either okay with how unhinged and damaging to schools, children, public debate, human dignity, civil discussion, and the world liberalism has become, you're a supporter of that damage, or you haven't yet heard about #WalkAway and worked up the courage to admit the leftists have no clothes. The incomprehensible clusterfuck of emotion-based pseudo-reasoning and indoctrination can't be broken by random people on the internet, but I'm pretty sure some professional shrinks could cure leftism and talk you back into understanding that reality is subjective, rape is bad, terrorism is bad, murder is bad, lying is bad, and calling jewish mixed-race cartoon fans neo-nazi white supremacists is hilariously stupid.

#WalkAway.
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While I agree with some of your points and some of the stuff you say is actually something to talk about, your way of engaging the discussion needs work. I am sorry but you are coming out as just a hysterical as a SJW or BLM activist. Tone it down and you may get somewhere as this has gone far beyond rational posting and may have passed the emotional to out right disgraceful. This is why a conversation can not happen and posting 3-5 videos per post is not going to get anyone to watch them, nevermind agree with them.

How about taking a break #walkaway from the thread for awhile, smoke a joint and calm the fuck down man!
 
Pariah Dog said:
That's the thing about gun laws. They're effectively toothless against the people they need to be actually effective against. They are punitive against the people you need to worry least about, though. So, I mean, what the fuck.
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As a serious question, what do you think is the target of gun regulation? As far as I can tell, the idea of it isn't to remove all weapons or to make it impossible for people to get guns or even to make it impossible for criminals, because that's not something you can achieve. The point of it is to lower the numbers of weapons in circulations and to make it more expensive to get your hands on it. This certainly works in Germany because getting a gun is not only expensive but there are also a lot of risks involved. I am not saying that this is a perfect solution, but it can help to prevent some issues. Obviously to tackle the problem of gun viollence and mass shootings a lot more things have to happen, like improvements in social stability and better health care particularly for mentaly ill and instable people which probably plays a much bigger role than the number of guns people own. But I am sure you could avoid some mass shootings if there was a bit more gun controll and more back ground checks done.
 
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