Gun Control

Hassknecht said:
Well, it is its own thing. It's both extreme left and extreme right. Both sides don't want It, but both sides own it.
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Today yes due to the huge negative aspects to fascism so no one wants to be really called one, historically though fascism and fascists did claim it for themselfs in the sense that they openly rejected liberal democracy as an obsolete model. Historically speaking, fascists have a strong believe in radical authoritarian ultranationalism. Which is also what seperates it mainly from the authoritarian (extreme) left, which believes in internationalism - see communist world revolution.
 
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
Throwback thursday.
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Why did you quote me in your throwback Thursday given that I'm literally agreeing with you?

All you did was raise my attention to your fuckery.
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
and liberal historyfuckery designed to obscure the fact that the inventors of fascism and communism were both Liberals.
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LMAO, yeah those Liberal Communists. Why not also talk about Moderate Extremists while we're at it.

PS: Leftism doesn't simply mean "The state does stuff" you numpty. Thinking fascism is left-wing because the state invested lots in to public programs under fascism is reductionist as hell.
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
By the way, a certain liar in this thread claims right-wing terrorism is more common than left-wing terrorism.
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It literally is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Left-wing_extremism_and_anti-government
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
But to make the lives of future historians easier, here is left-wing terrorism...And here is right-wing terrorism.
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I like how your list of left-wing terrorism involves poor multi-national corporations getting their windows smashed, and you intentionally choose only minor incidents for right-wing terrorism rather than the multiple incidents where people actually die.

LMAO, nothing remotely disingenuous about that buddy.
Hassknecht said:
Well, it is its own thing. It's both extreme left and extreme right. Both sides don't want It, but both sides own it.
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Fascism doesn't just mean "Authoritarianism", Fascism is usually used to denote extreme-nationalism.
 
Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue for fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words".
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They don't care what side it is on.
 
Pariah Dog said:
https://ottawacitizen.com/pmn/news-...sain/wcm/83913af9-bf47-4535-964a-88a63ffc1590

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44933175

"They said their son suffered from serious mental health challenges and had struggled with untreatable psychosis and depression most of his life."
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Got to love the BBC

"Mr Trudeau's ruling Liberal party wants tougher background checks, including screening people with a history of violence."

In Canada the CFO (Chief Firearms Officer) currently is required to review the last 5 years during a background check, they can still review all past history and deny a firearms license if they determine you to be a risk for something you have done more then 5 years ago. Any person convicted of a violent crime is currently given a 10 year weapons ban. Fucktard Turdeau wants to make things more onerous and make it mandatory that they review for life. One of the most interesting facts right now is that a person in Canada with a firearms license is only 0.05% as likely as someone without a license to commit a crime. Our license's are in a system that is reported to Canada wide and if you do something that pops up in there instant confiscation. Determined guilty and you don't get your guns back.

That shooter was using a handgun, a restricted weapon in Canada which requires we actually sign away our right to requiring a warrant to search our houses. The CFO's and RCMP at anytime can come to my house and "request" to be let in without a court order to determine if our restricted firearms are where we say they are (address is kept on file). We are only allowed to transport them to a few certain places (gun range, gunsmith's, border crossing) and any other reason we need a short term authorization to transport. Concealed carry permits are only issued to a select few (politicians and those associated with them) and those who can demonstrate a need (trappers, extreme remote wilderness work) and even then not usually issued (one trapper took the CFO's to court to get his).

Also one report from a family member that you are unsuitable for owning firearms and they are confiscated, spouses and ex's from the last 2 years need to approve you getting one. Hell we have tons of rules and restrictions, yet this mentally disturbed fuckhead whose family knew he was fucked up still managed to get a handgun and shoot up a tone of people in a crowded street. Oh yeah gun control works well.

Also for those who think it might be domestically sourced, if it has no serial number and is sold in Canada, they automatically report it as a domestically sourced gun even if it has features that we cant get here (for a handgun this would be a barrel under 4 inches or magazines that hold more then 10 rounds). So if they find a glock with a barrel under 4 inches, but you cant get that barrel in Canada they would still report it as domestically sourced.

Oh and by the way Fuck Fidel Castros son Justin Trudeau,
 
It's almost like gun control's purpose has nothing to do with preventing firearm crime and everything to do with disarming law-abiding citizens and making increasingly controlling governments feel safer as they squeeze their populations harder and harder.
 
Pariah Dog said:
It's almost like gun control's purpose has nothing to do with preventing firearm crime and everything to do with disarming law-abiding citizens and making increasingly controlling governments feel safer as they squeeze their populations harder and harder.
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Should domestic abusers have guns though?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Should domestic abusers have guns though?
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Criminals shouldn't have guns, ever. Which is why they totally aren't allowed to have them and use them for criminal things... wait, what? They do have them and use them for criminal things anyway and totally flout all the laws and regulations we put in place demanding they not do such things? Darn. I'm sure some more really restrictive laws will help though.
 
Pariah Dog said:
It's almost like gun control's purpose has nothing to do with preventing firearm crime and everything to do with disarming law-abiding citizens and making increasingly controlling governments feel safer as they squeeze their populations harder and harder.
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Be carefull here, you're steping into tynfoil teritory.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Be carefull here, you're steping into tynfoil teritory.
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It's really difficult to assume good faith about gun control advocates when they don't really seem to CARE how ineffectual and restrictive their gun laws are, as long as those laws make them "feel better". It's basically virtue signalling with a really high cost. Roads to hell are paved with less.

Also, I would say that with things like the Patriot Act there is no question in my mind that the government is basically figuring out which parts of the Bill of Rights it can safely ignore, which is not a good thing obv.
 
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It depends on the motivation though. Some gun regulations, are not meant to make gun crime dissapear, but for example to make sure that insecure teenagers with a masculine fixcation on firearms and a huge depression have to jump trough a few more loops before they can get a semit automatic rifle. If those regulations are effective in that, is definetly worth a discussion.
 
Hassknecht said:
The problem is that the general "Left" is quite splintered, but the most prominent and vocal minority, being large parts of the academic left, are either explicitly marxist or at least in some form pseudo-marxist. My point was that those most vocally advocating change in american society do so in the worst way possible, by advocating Marxism or some derivation of it at the same time.
And the average US citizen is HIGHLY sensitive to any notion of Marxism still. Of course healthcare has nothing to do with communism or anything like that. But the average american is hilariously uneducated when it comes to the actual definitions and forms of communism and how that stuff works. If it means that a working person pays money so that some poor people have a better life, that's enough to make them froth "COMMUNISM!!!!" immediately.
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If only you could take your oppression goggles off and see that communists own academia and a good portion of Hollywood, and are not oppressed or "Irrationally feared and hated by frothy-mouthed hilariously-unenlightened Americans".
If only you were able to see the problem with a fundamentally flawed healthcare system that makes everyone pay more, and fines those who can't pay even more, so the state can afford to give free tummy-tucks and nose jobs to selfish communist leeches who'll vote for whoever promises them the most free shit.
If only, if only, if only.
If only you were someone I could reason with.
If only you were able to see that the marxism pushed in schools by leftist politicians and normalized by leftist followers is a problem. An honest, genuine problem.
If only you were able to take some responsibility for the ideology you keep dishonestly defending and lying to protect, and if only you were able to take some responsibility for its misdeeds.
Americans are being raised in Liberal schools to hate whiteness. The anti-white narrative is pushed by you, your politicians, liberal academia, and the liberal media.
It gives us genuine acts of terrorism and hate, like what a certain subhuman feral animal recently did to a certain white baby boy when she pepper sprayed the boy's mother, stole the baby, took him to some train tracks, and set him on fire.

Liberals have normalized a culture of violence and hatred against white people, and they're too addicted to the flavour of "Whitey oppressor, Poclgbtq oppressed, oppressed must RISE UP because whitey OWES US CAKE! REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY NOW! WE DA ENLIGHTENED GOOD GUYS, DEY DA RACIS BAD GUYS!" kool-aid to acknowledge the role they played in creating this culture and hurting real white people out of genuine racist spiteful bigotry.
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Crni Vuk said:
It depends on the motivation though. Some gun regulations, are not meant to make gun crime dissapear, but for example to make sure that insecure teenagers with a masculine fixcation on firearms and a huge depression have to jump trough a few more loops before they can get a semit automatic rifle. If those regulations are effective in that, is definetly worth a discussion.
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Logic and reason, two pillars of the western society you loathe, don't seem to work on you. Every source I post that goes against the narrative you believe is a source you ignore out of spite. Every argument I make is one you forget about when you're done trying to weasel out of it so you don't have to think too hard about it. Liberal talk shows are designed to brainwash people and condition them to associate non-liberal opinions with derisive laughter from the crowd and the talk show host, and therefore, inherent wrongness. Maybe if I try things another way, I can get through to you! Ah-heh-hem...

*pewdiepie voice* "Oh, oh, I'm so moral, you guys! I'm so fucking moral, look at me! I'm Just Starting A Discussion! And this is Worth A Discussion because I honestly believe I'm helping! It doesn't even matter if I insult everyone and make an ass of myself, because I have good intentions and I got good people talking about the harassment of women in gaming- I mean the shooting of children!"

Sht't'fk'p! Jesus christ, how many children have to die in school shootings before you understand that gun-grabbing helps nobody, gun-free zones don't work, and you aren't actually making life harder on criminals and school shooters by trying to spitefully fuck Bubba McWhiteperson over? Kids don't apply for and get their own guns, they steal the guns of their parents or buy them on the black market, bypassing all the restrictions and laws you could ever make over this! Criminals don't obey the law, that's what makes them criminals! And do you know what schools are? They are gun-free zones! If gun-free zones worked, there would never be any school shootings ever!

"Gun Control" doesn't work. It disarms good people and makes it harder for good people to get good weapons so they can defend themselves in case of home invasion/mugging, stop any rapes they might stumble upon, and fight back against any terrorists or other criminals that attack. Liberalism is a failure for many reasons, but one of them is its determination to try and take away our guns away for stupid reasons they'll never stop considering more valid than facts posted by "Alt-right sources" like the yearly FBI gun violence statistics.

*Pewdiepie voice* "But felix, nobody wants to take your guns away!"

Oh yeah? Then what's this? https://www.reddit.com/r/NOWTTYG

 
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Well Silverstar is not wrong on at least one thing. Some of the narrative in schools is decidedly left. In Canada we are taught the Pierre E. Trudeau (our current shithead PM's father) was the greatest PM our country has every seen, you know bringing in things like healthcare reforms, and social assistance. He was a progressive by far, his policies also almost bankrupt our country and he pissed off the entire western part of the country with his National Energy Program, and the fact he gave a bunch of BC people the finger as he left there town on a train (high class right there). It was only as an adult I learnt about the negative aspects and how hard they hit a lot of people and the required tax hikes afterwards by the conservatives to pay for this crap. He also declared martial law (really great PM hahaha). Hell in Ontario the left (and yes it was the left, the husband of the sitting liberal premier helped right the sex ed curriculum) wanted to teach 8-9 year olds about anal sex and stuff.
 
GonZo_626 said:
Well Silverstar is not wrong on at least one thing. Some of the narrative in schools is decidedly left. In Canada we are taught the Pierre E. Trudeau (our current shithead PM's father) was the greatest PM our country has every seen, you know bringing in things like healthcare reforms, and social assistance. He was a progressive by far, his policies also almost bankrupt our country and he pissed off the entire western part of the country with his National Energy Program, and the fact he gave a bunch of BC people the finger as he left there town on a train (high class right there). It was only as an adult I learnt about the negative aspects and how hard they hit a lot of people and the required tax hikes afterwards by the conservatives to pay for this crap. He also declared martial law (really great PM hahaha). Hell in Ontario the left (and yes it was the left, the husband of the sitting liberal premier helped right the sex ed curriculum) wanted to teach 8-9 year olds about anal sex and stuff.
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I like you.

Crni Vuk said:
Communists ... heh.
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I know, right? Communism is the very definition of failure.
 
A lot of 'socialist' nations like Finland have mandatory military service. Meaning they teach a lot of folks, sometimes even the women, to use not only firearms but also artillery, RPG's, tanks, etc. So, there is that.
 
GonZo_626 said:
Well Silverstar is not wrong on at least one thing. Some of the narrative in schools is decidedly left. In Canada we are taught the Pierre E. Trudeau (our current shithead PM's father) was the greatest PM our country has every seen, you know bringing in things like healthcare reforms, and social assistance. He was a progressive by far, his policies also almost bankrupt our country and he pissed off the entire western part of the country with his National Energy Program, and the fact he gave a bunch of BC people the finger as he left there town on a train (high class right there). It was only as an adult I learnt about the negative aspects and how hard they hit a lot of people and the required tax hikes afterwards by the conservatives to pay for this crap. He also declared martial law (really great PM hahaha). Hell in Ontario the left (and yes it was the left, the husband of the sitting liberal premier helped right the sex ed curriculum) wanted to teach 8-9 year olds about anal sex and stuff.
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And that makes everyone a communist? Which is what he's rambling about.

Besides on the school where I work, most children at 10 or 11 already know what anal is because these days everyones runing around with a smart phone and youporn on it. Considering the fact that I had the pleasure to deal with 12 year old drug dealers, children geting neglected and beaten by their parents, I have to say if they knew about anal sex trough school is the least of our problem in education - no clue how it is for Canada.

Part of the problem I have is, that people never get tired to blame the left, marxists, communists what ever, for each and every social change, while ignoring the real elephants in the room. Stuff that I worked with on a daily basis for the last 2 years while educating children and doing some charity work. But I totally understand that higher taxes for a few wealthy people are like a national crysis.


SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
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To think that I was once a 'fan' of Perterson ... but recently he's only releasing a lot of hot air.
 
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