Gun Control

There's an only semi-jokingly said adage that goes something like "Arm everyone in society and there will be a brief rash of shootings before everyone starts getting REAL fuckin' polite and well-behaved". I don't put TOO much stock in it but it makes for an interesting thought exercise.
 
I’m not saying I’m confused as to why some people haven’t been vatted but I’m confused as to why some people haven’t been vatted.

But in seriousness, there is something to be said for the idea that guns are force multipliers. It’s reasonable to make the argument that any situation can easily escalate; but I’m also willing to argue that the situation generally escalates when one person is armed and others aren’t. I’d be lying if I said I had all the answers, or that I was remotely qualified to fix the main issues in our society, but imo an armed society and teaching gun safety as @Pariah Dog mentioned could in theory work in tandem to make a safer society; “peace thru power”.
It's much more likely that people will simply gun each other down over meaningless shit and quarels while the number of gun related accidents and viollence will increase. Many people in the US are already pretty paranoid if you ask me, now imagine how that paranoia will skyrocket when everyone was armed. Particularly among cops and security forces.
 
If people are paranoid that trying something fucking stupid will get them fucking shot by Joe Average with his CCW, is that actually a bad thing? I WANT assholes to be afraid of starting shit. If they have to look at every single citizen as their potential executioner (in the event they decide to play stupid games to win stupid prizes), I am almost inclined to believe they're going to probably think fucking twice about pulling crap.

Eventually the suicidally stupid assholes will have been made into good boys and girls one way or the other. I'm struggling to find a downside. I'm sure the police would fret over the paperwork and so on, but c'est la vie.

I mean, you argue "It won't work because people are assholes" but let me tell you nothing keeps an asshole in check like another asshole. It WILL work because people are assholes. The omnipresence of assholes is an UPSHOT to this plan. Bonus points, eventually the assholes will all kill each other.
 
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So you want people to get shoot over quarrels?

Let me ask you this, have guns made places like Somalia safer? Or any other zone with a hell lot of weapons and no regulations in place? This idea that you just have to get enough guns around, and everything will suddenly become a paradise where all people are suddenly nice to each other, is so simplistic that it's ridicuilous. You also totally accept the fact that an increased number of guns also mean more accidents and gun releated viollence, think about children finding the weapon of their parents, a spouse using the gun in an act of rage or just things like that. People are not rational beeings and one thing is for sure, assholes don't die out.
 
So you want people to get shoot over quarrels?

Let me ask you this, have guns made places like Somalia safer? Or any other zone with a hell lot of weapons and no regulations in place? This idea that you just have to get enough guns around, and everything will suddenly become a paradise where all people are suddenly nice to each other, is so simplistic that it's ridicuilous. You also totally accept the fact that an increased number of guns also mean more accidents gun releated viollence, think about children finding their weapons, a spouse using the gun in an act of rage or just things like that. People are not rational beeings and one thing is for sure, assholes don't die out.

How would you know? I don't think we've ever tried to actually get the assholes to kill each other off before here. It's just been a happy accident that it happens at all, really. Darwin Awards and all that.

Get shot over quarrels? Maybe then people will stop having big fat fucking hissies with each other in public. You know how fucking annoying and unsettling that shit is? Maybe they'll start to realize that picking fucking fights is not a good fucking solution and maybe they need some goddamn better conflict resolution skills than screaming "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE" at each other until someone clears leather.

I mean, people aren't fucking BORN assholes. It's something that gets learned and it's something that can damn well be UNlearned. Make the price for being a fucking asshole forfeiture of life and limb and you're going to see the School of Not Being An Asshole start to surge in attendance, as a matter of goddamn self-preservation people are going to want to learn how to interact with other people without copping a severe case of high-speed lead poisoning.

Sometimes shit needs to get a lot worse before it gets better.
 
How would you know? I don't think we've ever tried to actually get the assholes to kill each other off before here. It's just been a happy accident that it happens at all, really. Darwin Awards and all that.
What ever if it works or not, but is that the kind of society you want to live in, where people constantly shoot each other? Again, you're kinda way to acceptable to viollence here. If only the assholes would hit each other that might be one thing, but there will be bystanders caought in it too, maybe trough accident or even on purpose.

I mean, people aren't fucking BORN assholes. It's something that gets learned and it's something that can damn well be UNlearned. Make the price for being a fucking asshole forfeiture of life and limb and you're going to see the School of Not Being An Asshole start to surge in attendance, as a matter of goddamn self-preservation people are going to want to learn how to interact with other people without copping a severe case of high-speed lead poisoning.
I doubt it. Why? Because people are not always rational or acting in their self interest or with with self preservation in mind. And you don't have to be even crazy for that to happen, emtional instability, a life crysis, depressions you name it, those can be already enough to make some snap in certain situations. Those things happen, and we're talking about 300 Million people here, so it's safe to assume that with more gun owners, there will be also more issues. People often do something, they regret later. The issue with guns however is, that certain mistakes can be only made once. Which is also interesting when you consider certain studies on the subject of gun ownership and behaviour. Owning a gun can change your perception and the way you think about your suroudings and environment, (...)However, can just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent? And the psychology of gun ownership, where in some cases guns are used as compensating factor, like a lack of confidence for example. Of course, the majority of gun owners are normal people and not crazy, but people have issues, they get under stress, dealing with every day problems, low self esteem and many other psychological issues. That's simply normal for a highly developed society. Ownership of guns, doesn't turn people in to testosterone driven agressive psychos, but it isn't much of a surprise that weapons give you a sense of power and have an effect on your psychology, hell I find guns pretty awesome objects and it does feel pretty great to handle them! I would definetly want to own a rifle. But I still don't believe that an armed population, means every asshole suddenly turns in to a nice person.

In other words, giving an asshole a gun simply makes him in to an armed asshole. Guns don't remove the reasons for crime and other social issues so the protection you gain from it, is rather limited.

But I guess that's how societies work today, America with their guns in particular. Instead of actually adressing the reasons and the actuall issue, give everyone a gun and it will sort it self out! Switzerland has relatively many guns owned by the public, yet they have only very few gun related deaths and viollence. Why? Because the nation is stable and the education is high, people experience very little economic and social preasure. Turns out people which don't live in poverty and preasure, make better decisions and comitt less crimes.
 
I don't think that an armed population turns assholes into nice people, necessarily. I think it DEFINITELY turns them into dead people. That's the point. Once the assholes figure out it's open season on their asses, they either do something stupid and get keelt or they shape the fuck up out of self-preservation. In theory, anyway.
 
In theory. In reality, it's the assholes who have less thoughts about killing people over nothing, and they'll be the first to draw. Self-preservation just means that you kill before you get killed.
 
And given they are assholes, they have less or no scruples and less of an issue to blow the fuck out of anyone's brains or ass who chose to stand on their way. In practice, you won't be able to control them simply because they cannot be controlled.

In this free for-all-war, the chances of them* losing are very, very slim. Not to mention that breakdown of any morality and civility which such violence always necessitates to happen only turns more people into beasts. Stare into the abyss and all that...

(*used very broadly, obviously, which is the crux of the issue - in situations like this, the lines between good and bad are always blurred)

Thinking that bad men will stop and surrender because someone is ready to point a gun at them and shoot is wishful thinking at best, and incredible naivety at worse.
 
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Similar things happen in upper management. Turns out there's an overabundance of sociopaths in high management positions. Why? Because sociopaths have no problems with doing vile shit to get what they want. The whole "the assholes will fear for their lives so they keep in line" argument is similar to "The sociopaths on the corporate ladder will fear for their careers when they're being too much of a dick, so the nice people will get to the top". It doesn't work like that. As Atomkilla said, it's naive to the extreme. You think the assholes will just stop being assholes when someone points a gun at them, too? They will just get bigger guns and shoot first.

It won't be Heinlein's "Beyond The Horizon" with all the legal duels and everyone being armed. Because in that book, everyone is also rich as fuck and genetically engineered to be an Übermensch. Johnny McSisterfuck from Hicksville, Alabama won't stop pulling his gun on anyone just because everyone else is armed, because the difference between dumb assholes and normal people is that the dumb assholes have no care whatsoever about consequences. How often do you see a small drunk dude trying to assault a bouncer despite everyone and their grandmother knowing that he might as well assault a concrete wall? This would only get worse.
People should be allowed to have guns, but the society should advance to the point where nobody would feel the need to carry all the time, and certainly not feel the need to pull a gun over a parking spot or some shit like that.
 
I don't think that an armed population turns assholes into nice people, necessarily. I think it DEFINITELY turns them into dead people. That's the point. Once the assholes figure out it's open season on their asses, they either do something stupid and get keelt or they shape the fuck up out of self-preservation. In theory, anyway.
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I feel like the "stop the bad man with the good man" is also a bit problematic when it NEEDS to dehumanize the offenders (that may not even be) to work in the first place. It's not a human being, it's a CRIMINAL!

Confronting these kinds of people, wether they're jumpy teenagers or twisted psychopaths, is hard even for law enforcement. And it's something any average person should not only be able, but encouraged or demanded to do? Please.

On another note, having the brony and Pariah Dog on ignore it really looks like y'all are talking to yourselves. Just kinda funny.
 
Brony hasn't been posting for the last few pages, and I think most people have him on ignore already.
He is a busy person, the Internet contains a lot of places that need education on how evil Liberalism is. And who would do such an heroic deed but him?
 
I've never put anyone on the ignore list on any forum, ever, and I'm most certainly not about to start with that comedian.

He is a busy person, the Internet contains a lot of places that need education on how evil Liberalism is. And who would do such an heroic deed but him?

The Crusade is Eternal.
 
Thankfully the ever vigilant cohort of Sander's arse lickers is watching over this place zealously and drive anyone endangering their holy teaching away. Long live and masterbate!


Given that I was the one of those who most vehemently opposed Sander and his banhammery approach and methods, and openly criticized him on multiple occasions, your post here makes zero sense.
But I guess your hate boner for me is the more important thing for you, so, you know, whatever.


I still wonder if he was just a troll or actually serious.

Does it matter, really?
Even if he was a troll, going to those lengths is still fucking stupid. Sometimes entertaining, admittedly, but stupid.
 
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