Gun Control

If this isn't a political website, then why is your contribution to it nothing but "OMG LIBERALS KILLED MAH BABY" in this thread?
Of your 101 posts, less than 30 are not in this thread, with several more being directly related to this. Right from the start you did nothing in this thread but meme away, deciding that arguments are pointless anyway. Remember, it got you a temp ban from this thread, and then you decided to not go in here anymore, but as it turns out, memeing the lurrals to death is an itch that needs to be scratched.
The gun control debate is inherently political, of course, but usually arguments can be found. It gets derailed when one side can't stop ranting about the liberals and the others about the rednecks.
So since this is just a clusterfuck anyway, I'm locking this thread for a week.
 
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I heard of this before, but I never saw it pictured in thread form so...perfectly.
 
Guess who's back?
Now everyone, be a bit more reasonable. Arguments are not just yelling that guns are evil and people stupid, or random Youtube videos and yelling that people are evil.

Here's the thing about guns: They are great for self defense, especially handguns. But what makes especially handguns great for self defense also makes them great for crime.
Banning "assault weapons" has a negligible effect on crime rate, and banning handguns is too complicated and affects mostly law-abiding citizens. Due to the massive amounts of handguns in circulation, the black market will keep getting handguns in the hands of criminals, and they don't care about breaking the law to begin with.
Ergo, banning guns is pointless.
But what about "restricting" guns? Well, they are already restricted, and in the end, again, any law will just affect the legal owners because the criminals don't give a shit to begin with.
So how about increased control for mental instability? Good for maybe stopping school and mass shootings, but not really what affects the overall crime rate too much, and let's face it, strict psychological tests can be a very nice tool on population control. If you want to just weed out the possible dissenters in the populace, just define them as insane, et voila.
The focus should not be on trying to fix GUN crime, but CRIME in general. Using guns is just a thing of the circumstances and needs to be fixed by fixing the roots.
So how can crime and violence be fixed? That's the tough one. Making America Great Again is actually a very good start. Give people perspective and hope, give them jobs and a life.
A big contributor to gun violence is gang violence in big cities. These people need a perspective as well, and that's what's really going to be hard. How do you reach these folks? The fact of the matter is that a significant portion of this violence is caused by minorities, especially blacks. This doesn't mean it's in their blood or anything, just that the historical development led this. It can be fixed, but it won't be fixed if the root problem isn't tackled. The racism involved in this is a self-fullfilling prophecy; hopeless black kids in urban environments have no perspective and are driven to crime, and this violence leads to more resentment from the general populace and more racism, again breeding more violence and hopelessness. The cycle has to break, and it will take an effort from everyone.
The divide between rich and poor needs to be improved. Sadly, all things that could help there are highly offensive to the classic American Way, because it requires more government input and higher taxes.
Should people just hope that with less government regulation the trickle-down-effect will finally work? One can hope, but people are greedy.

So in a perfect utopia every should have access to guns but feel no reason to have them. In reality, everyone should have access to guns, and people should strive for that utopia.
I don't mind the european style of gun control because they're not really needed in the general euro mindset, but there's no way it would work in the US. There are already too many guns in circulation and it would make no sense to try and change the US on such a fundamental level.
 
I formally bow out of the gun control thread because guns are the least effective way to kill yourself.
 
TorontRayne said:
I formally bow out of the gun control thread because guns are the least effective way to kill yourself.
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Lol wut. 12 gauge 000 buck pointed at brainstem is absolutely 99.99999% game fucking over. Like, it's messy, but as long as you do it right you're practically guaranteed to kill yourself. Only way I think is as effective is suicide by train, last I checked.
 
Pariah Dog said:
Lol wut. 12 gauge 000 buck pointed at brainstem is absolutely 99.99999% game fucking over. Like, it's messy, but as long as you do it right you're practically guaranteed to kill yourself. Only way I think is as effective is suicide by train, last I checked.
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1) Not everyone has a 12 gauge. Even those that do, it might be too long to properly do.
2) I know of a dude that tried to shoot himself in the Army with a M16 and he just blew half his face off.
3) Pistols are no good.
4) Robin Williams had the right idea. Foolproof.
 
TorontRayne said:
1) Not everyone has a 12 gauge. Even those that do, it might be too long to properly do.
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This is true. If you don't have a more compact shotgun or long arms, it's going to be a real pain in the ass.

TorontRayne said:
2) I know of a dude that tried to shoot himself in the Army with a M16 and he just blew half his face off.
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Not surprising. I would not use a rifle by choice for this task.

TorontRayne said:
3) Pistols are no good.
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Mostly agree, though .44mag revolvers with hollow points come close to being as effective as a shotgun for the purpose. Expensive suicide piece, though.

TorontRayne said:
4) Robin Williams had the right idea. Foolproof.
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Wasn't he a hanging suicide? People fuck that up all the time. Like, hanging will kill you, but if you don't do it just right it will be slow and excruciating.
 
Best suicide method is to use strong wire, tie it around your neck, fix it to a ledge of a roof, glue your hands to your head, and jump. The wire will cut your head off and it will look like you ripped off your own head.
 
Wtf are you all being so morbid for
Jump off a bridge

But make it like a competition-style dive, so to ensure a head first landing

People die all the time, and never even intended it. Just go dick around in really unsafe places, like wandering about the high tension cables you find in some train yards and stuff, wave some long metal sticks at them. A single zap of that shit shuts you down before your nerves even melt
 
While we're on the subject

Do any of you ever run next to pools?

I never do

Me and a friend had a long discussion about that. It's one of those things, you know. I'm not retarded, you're not retarded, neither of us plan to be. But some guy is retarded, he wasn't born that way, so wtf happened?
Shit like that happens!

Sometimes it just comes at you, but whenever you can help it - avoid it!
I'm careful with my life.

One dude we know was knocked straight to death walking home, some protrution from a cargo truck tapped him in the back of the head, solid steel, 80kmph, insta-death

But yeah, keep it cool near the pool
One little slip-up, and you do a little slippery-flip, butt-first into the water, while cracking the back of your head on the concrete pool edge
*blub blub blub* you go, as you sink slowly, and end up sitting at the bottom of the pool, allready incapable of recalling your own name, possible ever again
It might take a minute, two, three, before someone realizes you shouldn't be sitting at the bottom of the pool especially gushing blood
They'll get you out, but the damage is well done, cracked head AND oxygen deficiency, but boooy do they save your life!
"STAY WITH ME!" they yell, while demolishing your chest (ever see that irl? it's horrifying!)

later, after recovery, they roll you around in a wheeled chair

you seem happy
you probably are happy

dumb as a fucking pineapple, but happy as a lark

you point at the sky
and yell "CLOUDS!"

yeeees, clouuuuds
 
zegh8578 said:
While we're on the subject

Do any of you ever run next to pools?

I never do

Me and a friend had a long discussion about that. It's one of those things, you know. I'm not retarded, you're not retarded, neither of us plan to be. But some guy is retarded, he wasn't born that way, so wtf happened?
Shit like that happens!

Sometimes it just comes at you, but whenever you can help it - avoid it!
I'm careful with my life.

One dude we know was knocked straight to death walking home, some protrution from a cargo truck tapped him in the back of the head, solid steel, 80kmph, insta-death

But yeah, keep it cool near the pool
One little slip-up, and you do a little slippery-flip, butt-first into the water, while cracking the back of your head on the concrete pool edge
*blub blub blub* you go, as you sink slowly, and end up sitting at the bottom of the pool, allready incapable of recalling your own name, possible ever again
It might take a minute, two, three, before someone realizes you shouldn't be sitting at the bottom of the pool especially gushing blood
They'll get you out, but the damage is well done, cracked head AND oxygen deficiency, but boooy do they save your life!
"STAY WITH ME!" they yell, while demolishing your chest (ever see that irl? it's horrifying!)

later, after recovery, they roll you around in a wheeled chair

you seem happy
you probably are happy

dumb as a fucking pineapple, but happy as a lark

you point at the sky
and yell "CLOUDS!"

yeeees, clouuuuds
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That's how a famous Finnish athlete/singer died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapio_Rautavaara#Death_and_tributes
 
Not directly related to gun ownership, but indirectly to the proliferation of guns and the effects it can have.
So while I'm all for everyone being allowed to own guns, I also maintain the position that everyone running around with guns and seeing guns used as a very early stage of escalation normalizes and proliferates their use. This in turn makes the police very, very nervous, because when you're in a country where people pull guns on each other at Wal Mart and who are mostly very wary of government and police, you kinda expect to get shot over a speeding ticket. So to save their own lives, they tend to be a bit quicker on the trigger than in other countries, and more alert to people with what could be considered a weapon.
And I understand that. Cops want to live, and it's a dangerous life for them.
But c'mon, tasing an 87-year old grandmother cutting dandelions outside her house?
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...efend-tasing-87-year-old-woman-who-spoke-poor
SHE STILL HAD A KNIFE and her name is Marhta Al-Bishara, so obviously she's suspicious. To be fair, living there for decades and not being able to speak English is pretty poor. Even Americans speak English!
My point is that this is something to consider. Everyone having access to firearms makes everyone a lot more dangerous, and that can lead to harmless situations to escalate quicker. That of course does not mean I'm against access to guns (I mean, most here know that, and I guess those who don't understand that won't read this post anyway and just shit themselves in excitement that a lurral has posted something), but I do think that way too many people need to be a lot smarter about guns. And they need to have much more respect for guns.

People like that need to be publicly flogged for their idiocy and have their permits revoked for a year or two.
The problem is, of course, how to establish that? If you establish that everyone who wants to own and carry a gun needs to do a course with exam, like a driving licence, that kinda makes the whole 2nd Amendment interpretation moot again. So how to educate people, and make sure they're educated?
 
Re: the old woman - I honestly think police work is a moron magnet sometimes.

Re: the other stuff - make gun safety mandatory in public schools. In early childhood focus on "call an adult" and "don't touch", later on after kids are able to grasp the concept of death focus on "these are dangerous tools and messing around with one like it's a toy can cost someone their life" and switch to promoting proper gun handling behavior, with some focus still on calling an adult. Idk, there's probably someone who could create a better way to get gun safety established via pedagogy, but that's where it needs to happen.
 
You want schools to tell their parents in how to educate their children? What if some parent wants their child to use weapons as toys? What are you? A communist? Get out with your leftist gun regulations damnit! American parents want their children to be free!
 
Crni Vuk said:
You want schools to tell their parents in how to educate their children? What if some parent wants their child to use weapons as toys? What are you? A communist? Get out with your leftist gun regulations damnit! American parents want their children to be free!
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Really close to making my ignore list, jussayin'.
 
Crni, seriously. I put Scalper and the brony on ignore because they are zero-value posters that will never grow in value and contribute nothing to my day save for the lulz garnered from giving them an exploratory prod every now and then. I would like to think you're better than that, but by all means continue to dash my hopes against the rocks of reality.
 
I’m not saying I’m confused as to why some people haven’t been vatted but I’m confused as to why some people haven’t been vatted.

But in seriousness, there is something to be said for the idea that guns are force multipliers. It’s reasonable to make the argument that any situation can easily escalate; but I’m also willing to argue that the situation generally escalates when one person is armed and others aren’t. I’d be lying if I said I had all the answers, or that I was remotely qualified to fix the main issues in our society, but imo an armed society and teaching gun safety as @Pariah Dog mentioned could in theory work in tandem to make a safer society; “peace thru power”.
 
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