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Have you considered not being a fucking criminal? Serious question.
That's not the point and you're simply trying to dodge the issue here. A criminal, any criminal is first and foremost a human beeing. A civiliced society, which I hope you agree the United States is, has a jurisdiction. Neither police officers nor some random civlian are the judge and executioner in one person. The force and punishment have always to be relation to the crime. You do not cut someones hand off becaue he stole a bubble gum in a grocery store. And you do not shoot people for smashing a window in.
 
That's not the point and you're simply trying to dodge the issue here. A criminal, any criminal is first and foremost a human beeing. A civiliced society, which I hope you agree the United States is, has a jurisdiction. Neither police officers nor some random civlian are the judge and executioner in one person. The force and punishment have always to be relation to the crime. You do not cut someones hand off becaue he stole a bubble gum in a grocery store. And you do not shoot people for smashing a window in.

Yeah because that's all they did in things like the LA Riots, was steal bubblegum and smash windows. Fucking retard. Have you ever fucking seen a real riot?
 
Drop the insults, or your stay here will be a short one. Just a fair warning. You're becoming very iritating right now. And there are at least 5 other people in here who have an issue with your overly agressive behaviour.

And you're again missing the point I am trying to make here - still. I even agree with you, that people who put others in danger should be dealt with, sometimes that means shooting them. If someone is charging with an weapon or even a blunt object at someone and a police officer is around, then of course he has the right to shoot the attacker. But not every crime is the same and your constant try to dehumanize criminals is simply put not how any civiliced society works that has a working jurisdiction. Not even the US. Because believe it or not, even criminals have human rights. That doesn't mean that every and all crminal activites are 'protected' because you're not allowed to defend your self. But what is so hard and difficult to understand when I say the force you apply has to be in relation to the crime you experience? Shooting someone simply because he bumbed his car into your car is something completely different from shooting a burglar entering your home.
 
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I'm not trying to fucking "dehumanize" them, I'm telling you they're being shitty fucking human beings when they could NOT be shitty fucking human beings and you're going through incredible amounts of mental gymnastics to excuse and even defend these cretins. And are you STILL on about the multiple-pages long piss-take I fucking pulled on you? Build a bridge and get the fuck over it, seriously.

"Overly aggressive". Maybe if you'd stop being condescending holier-than-thou chodes who are completely up your own asses I wouldn't be so fucking snippy. JUST A THOUGHT.
 
You really should drop the insults, though. This isn't the /pol/shit thread, here you should be more civilized. And yeah, the rest of you chucklefucks should also drop the dickmode and get back to making actual arguments.
 
You really should drop the insults, though. This isn't the /pol/shit thread, here you should be more civilized. And yeah, the rest of you chucklefucks should also drop the dickmode and get back to making actual arguments.

Insults ARE civilized. If all I ever had to worry about was verbal insults I don't think I'd sweat the idea of gun ownership, know what I mean? Whether they're CONSTRUCTIVE or not is an entirely different matter of discussion, but I believe you yourself acknowledged that this entire topic is about as constructive as an angry retard in a glass art gallery. If they seriously can't handle the bants they're obviously free to put me on ignore.
 
I'm not trying to fucking "dehumanize" them, I'm telling you they're being shitty fucking human beings when they could NOT be shitty fucking human beings and you're going through incredible amounts of mental gymnastics to excuse and even defend these cretins.
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Yes, yes you do. You can have your opinion about criminals, but you can't denny the fact that they are human beeings and as such they have rights, regardless if they are criminals or not or if you like it or not. This also counts for the United States of America.

https://www.criminaljusticedegreesc...sources/criminal-rights-laws-and-protections/

Criminals must pay their debt to society for their crimes so it may seem like they have no rights. But they do. From Miranda Rights to specific defendant’s rights the criminal does have rights. Criminals have a right to an attorney, likely assisted by a paralegal, and if sentenced, they have the right to an appeal. The American way is respect for all mankind even a criminal who has changed a victim or victims life forever.

The Constitution has several amendments that were written to protect a defendant from excessive charges, or intrusive behavior from law enforcement officials. The following are constitutional amendments that directly apply to criminal rights.


And before you go again on a tantrum on how evil and bad crminials are, the rights they have are there for a reason and not just for fun or due to some sissy emtions on how poor they are. The reason why they have rights is beacuse criminals are also citizens and every law abiding citizen could come in a situation where he is treated like a criminal.

You do not want some angry mob runing around and executing people without a proper trial, what you're proposing here is nothing short of lynchlaw.
 
Alright, you're seriously going to continue waving around my extended piss-take as if it represented my sincere opinions on the matter and you people have the absolute GALL to accuse ME of willfully misrepresenting you. Cool fucking beans, man. You've got your windmill to tilt at and gods help the poor fool who points out that it isn't really a giant. It's not like I haven't warned you off of it repeatedly, but whatever.

Criminals are by their nature bad. They made bad fucking choices where most people would not have, and this is indicative of something being fairly fucking wrong with them, whether it's lousy impulse control or simply being a horrifically maladjusted dipshit. I am not interested in shielding people from the consequences of their bad choices. If that consequence happens to be "get shot in the face by someone they're currently victimizing", you'll have to fucking pardon me if I have no tears to shed for them. Being a criminal and violating other people's life, liberty or property comes with assumed risk. If you didn't want to deal with that risk, you probably shouldn't have decided to fucking become a very serious pain in someone else's ass. Most people are going to RIGHTLY invoke "Better judged by 12 than carried by 6" because to do anything else implies that a criminal's life, liberty or property somehow have MORE value than those of a law-abiding citizen's, which is so ludicrous on its face that only a bleeding-heart leftist cuckold of a person would nod along with it. The moment you become that level of detriment to other people in society your worth as a PERSON fucking plummets. You are a CANCER on society and you should not be shocked when someone decides to excise you personally.

Again, do you want to avoid the assumed risk that comes with criminal activity? Don't be a criminal. The police and the law may say you have rights, but your rights do you absolutely fuck-all good when you're dead. Pedestrians pretty much always have the right-of-way, but only a stupid fucking pedestrian doesn't look both ways before crossing the damn street. If you're foolish enough to engage in serious criminal behavior then I think it's safe to assume you don't value your own life, liberty or property that fucking much - so why should anyone else? Not being a criminal isn't a matter of just not being an asshole, it's a matter of self-respect and dignity for christ's sake.



Something I feel the need to get off my chest: a lot of people think of prison as a punishment. Which, I suppose it is. If you're a criminal and you get arrested and sent to prison, though, you should be viewing it as a GOLDEN FUCKING OPPORTUNITY to turn your shit the fuck around before you end up not making it to prison. Society was kind enough to give you a warning shot and a bit of time to reflect on what a dicksmurf you've fucking been, and you'd be an absolute fool not to THANK them for it. A lot of criminals don't get it and never fucking will because they're fuckups, they've always been fuckups and they'll always be fuckups who constitute a net negative to society. Some crooks figure it the fuck out, though. Some crooks have a very serious realization that they perhaps quite LITERALLY dodged a fucking bullet.

If you are notified by an officer that you are being placed under arrest, fucking comply. He's doing you a pretty big favor by making sure that the person you wronged isn't going to come for your sorry ass. The cop is going to probably give you a MUCH fairer shake than the John Q. you just got through rogering in one way or another. I mean, if you think Johnny Law is repressing you, just wait 'til Frank fucking Castle shows the fuck up BEFORE Johnny Law gets there. The threat of vigilantism and immediate, deadly retaliation should be OMNIPRESENT to remind you that yes, fleeing into the arms of the law is the GOOD OPTION.
 
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Criminals are by their nature bad. They made bad fucking choices where most people would not have, and this is indicative of something being fairly fucking wrong with them, whethe ...
I see you're still missing the point entirely.

I will try it for the last time ...

am not interested in shielding people from the consequences of their bad choices.

This, I repeat this is NOT(!) about shielding people from their conequences, this is about creating a human and lawfull society and part of that is to treat criminals as human beeings, not to protect the 'criminals' but people, ALL people from mob rule, lynchlaw and depotism, does this finally reach your thick skull? Do you finally understand that treating human beeings merely as human beeings is intended to protect not ONLY criminals but EVERYONE ELSE. And this is not some crazy theory cooked up in some social class but build on thousands years of experience and the knowledge about human nature, this is the reason why we have judges, lawyers and why we at least try to have neutral trials and why every citizen has a right to those. This is also meant to protect the innocent, you, me and everyone else and not just that crazy serial killer or that asshole that shoot someone to steal his wallet.
 
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I see you're still missing the point entirely.

No, YOU'RE missing the point and on purpose I might add. Don't blow smoke up my ass. Just because someone's a human being doesn't mean they aren't eligible to play stupid games and win stupid prizes. It's not dehumanizing to point out that criminals by their very nature have fucked up HARD.

Let me tell you something. I would, by all known metrics, sit squarely in the confluence of a number of risk factors for criminal behavior. I had issues as a kid and had them beaten the fuck out of me, and then some. I knew better than to resent it, and I knew I needed to fucking own it or it was going to end up owning me. Lo and fucking behold, I'm not a career criminal despite practically being a fucking BLUEPRINT for nearly everything that can go wrong in childhood development. So before you go wringing your hands about my inability to fucking understand where these people are coming from, let me just stop you and advise you to shove it up your ass. If I can fucking manage not to become a habitual jailbird what in the mother of fuck are these people's excuses?
 
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What if those crminals of yours turn out to be innocent? Maybe because the witness happend to identify the wrong person, or because the evidence was point in the wrong direction or because simply put, someone made a mistake. I am sure those cases are unheard off right? Naw. They fucked up! Big time! Well your bad! Try it in your next life. Mob rule huraaay! Let them hang a bit higher, serves em right guys!

Again, there are reasons why we leave emotions asside and use rationality as our guiding priciple - or at least a good jurisdiction tries to do it.
 
You're talking past me and I'm fucking sick of it, Crni. All you leftists do this shit. Every last one of you. It's like you're made in some fucking factory somewhere. I don't even agree with most of the conservatives but at least they don't pull this shit nearly as often.

If I fucking see you try and rob me at gunpoint I have you in flagrante delicto and as far as I'm concerned the first place you better run is to a police station to turn yourself in because they're going to be a hell of a lot nicer to you than I will - I'll shoot you in the goddamn back, take back my phone, wallet and watch and piss on your corpse for good measure. Let's see if you ever do that to anyone ELSE again. If I fucking see you break into my house, if I fucking see you set my car on fire in a riot or kick my dog or put hands on me or whatever I'll fucking end you, and fuck your "rights" - take them up with whatever miserable fucking god you believe in.
 
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You're talking past me and I'm fucking sick of it, Crni. All you leftists do this shit. Every last one of you. It's like you're made in some fucking factory somewhere. I don't even agree with most of the conservatives but at least they don't pull this shit nearly as often.

If I fucking see you try and rob me at gunpoint I have you in flagrante delicto and as far as I'm concerned the first place you better run is to a police station to turn yourself in because they're going to be a hell of a lot nicer to you than I will - I'll shoot you in the goddamn back, take back my phone, wallet and watch and piss on your corpse for good measure. Let's see if you ever do that to anyone ELSE again. If I fucking see you break into my house, if I fucking see you set my car on fire in a riot or kick my dog or put hands on me or whatever I'll fucking end you, and fuck your "rights" - take them up with whatever miserable fucking god you believe in.

If you shoot someone running away, even a robber, you'll likely go to prison for a long time. Even in the USA.
 
If you shoot someone running away, even a robber, you'll likely go to prison for a long time. Even in the USA.

I'll go to prison and there will be one less worthless piece of human garbage in the world. Pyrrhic victory, I admit, but I'm going to still call it a win overall for society at large. Try not being a criminal fuckstick, and I won't have a reason to take that fateful step. If you make a habit out of putting guns in people's faces to get them to fork over their shit, you should be made very fucking afraid of continuing that pattern of behavior. Go straight or get ready to go to hell, your choice.

If you engage in criminal activity against others you should be afraid, you should be oppressed, repressed, vilified, ostracized, cursed and driven from the fold. You have violated multiple spoken and unspoken codes of conduct for existing in and benefiting from society and you are entitled to nothing but the heel of my fucking boot. You get NOTHING, GOOD DAY SIR.
 
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We've had a couple of cases here, when pissed off father took a cleaver after his daughter got mugged, walked right in the offender's house, split opened his skull, waited for the police and served his jail time contentedly. This has nothing to do with emotions, it's rather following your inner moral compas instead of some vague artificial laws. Nasty, totally against human rights, and highly effective.
 
Nothing to do with emotions <-> Murders person out of revenge.
We might differ in our definition of "emotions".
 
I don't think this is only revenge, people living in our rural villages are more pragmatic than that. It's much closer to removal of dangerous predator hunting for your livestock - you just make sure it won't happen again, in cold blood and rationally.
 
I'm sure many of you are asking "where's your empathy?"

Well, where the fuck is a criminal's empathy when he deprives me of life, liberty or property? I'm a fairly empathetic person but I know better than to waste it on people like that.

"Why would you kill someone over having your property stolen?"

Because I'm poor and that shit fucking HURTS ME PRETTY DAMN BAD. Y'all may be some middle-class motherfuckers that can afford to see a few c-notes go away and never come back, but I can't fucking well hardly afford that shit. There's pretty much never any hope of restitution with shit like that, and things being what they are for me I'll absolutely defend what little I have with the promise of death and woe betide the motherfucker who tries to take mine from me.
 
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Well, it's not very common, last case I remember happened almost ten years ago or so. I guess the empathy toward own family is much stronger than empathy toward someone trying to harm it.
 
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