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GonZo_626 said:
while your take is that a full ban would be better at reducing the violence, I see it from a different angle and I alluded to that above with the thousands if not millions of newly illegal guns that would enter into the black market. This would happen because if even 5% of the existing guns in the US did not get turned in that would leave 17.5 million newly illegal guns flooding the market.
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I mean that a "full ban", which can obviously never and shouldn't be because the standard model still allows ownership even with whatever respective qualms and restrictions, as with pretty much every and any sort of dangerous merchandise, would be more effective *than* the status quo solution, if that wasn't clear. I'm sure that's what would happen, but "the black market" is only accessed by the people who, as many have answered with before, WOULD commit whatever crime they thought to regardless, while detering the common lowbrow thug. It effectively wouldn't change that much, and this is a long term solution. Less guns are fed in circulation, less guns are being sent to the black market, and meanwhile they're ideally being confiscated, lost or even regulated as it goes.

That's what deregulation of anything is. It's not a Thanos finger snap that is gonna make 50% of them crumble to dust, it's the *start* of a process that can take from a year to a decade or even more. 17 million firearms for 330 million inhabitants (and solely from the Black Market) already sounds like a desirable enough proportion, it'd roughly mean 19-24/100 inhabitants can have *one* gun each, which is WAY better than the recent-ish data showing that there's just *almost* as many weapons as inhabitants, 89 per every 100 citiziens. (yes, gun owners are 1/4 but shush it's not really important) And that's not counting for any possible unregistered guns and owners, of course.
 
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GonZo_626 said:
Well lets get some more info on the story shall we.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...-girls-fatal-shooting-inside-home/2083010002/ (link right from in your posted article)

And both men involved has prior criminal records so how did the one who actual shot get the guns? Maybe more should be done to actually keep people on a better track when they leave prison? Too bad some bystander was not there who could have permanently ended this guy who was shooting indiscriminately at buildings. Blame the gun and not the asshole behind the trigger, I hope that he lives in a state with the death penalty for the murder of this young girl.
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How did they get the guns? Santa gave them to them, why of course!

As for the (white guy? If it was a black guy the NRA would stay silent of course) gun guy who ran up on the cops with a gun and got shot, well sheet. That's what happens in USA. From your cold dead hands, remember that? Well ok then, we'll do it like that then. Actually, I want it that way. :D

Pastor-guy...Well the "lord works in mysterious ways" I guess. Then again, maybe the guy was a necrophile and got his freak on in the end? :question:
 
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Well, we on the hardcore far right nazi front appreciate all the scalpposting that makes our nazi conspiracy theories that lefties are crazy idiots seem like truth.
 
I am cool with regulating private and gun show sales.

If there is one thing I can agree with Crni is the culture about guns as toys or something that makes people manly. A gun is a TOOL.

Also, we can have buyback programs where the government can subsidize the whole situation and give gun owners a FAIR price for their firearms. Some people get tired of their AR-15s and maybe want to mess around with a AK, G-36 or a SCAR for example. If I spend $1000 on a rifle, I would like to sell it for atleast 800-900 back.

Little steps that do not trigger the COLD DEAD HANDS bit.
 
DarkCorp said:
I am cool with regulating private and gun show sales.

If there is one thing I can agree with Crni is the culture about guns as toys or something that makes people manly. A gun is a TOOL.
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I think you're a tool.

Also, we can have buyback programs where the government can subsidize the whole situation and give gun owners a FAIR price for their firearms. Some people get tired of their AR-15s and maybe want to mess around with a AK, G-36 or a SCAR for example. If I spend $1000 on a rifle, I would like to sell it for atleast 800-900 back.

Little steps that do not trigger the COLD DEAD HANDS bit.
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That actually does make perfect sense. However, I don't think the 'government' has that much money to pay in order to get guns out of circulation, cheaper to just send in the SWAT.
 
MutantScalper said:
That actually does make perfect sense. However, I don't think the 'government' has that much money to pay in order to get guns out of circulation, cheaper to just send in the SWAT.
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Pretty sure a SWAT mission costs more than a thousand bucks per pop.
 
Hassknecht said:
Everyone putting on the jackboots thinks that the benefits outweigh the cost.
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Yes, Hass. We're all about that 'murican fweedumb' here in the EU. What could be more horrible than federal legislation to curb gun violence in the US. Who cares about 30 k gun homicides every year including a large number of little kids dead from school shootings, it's not as bad as "jackboots!1"
 
MutantScalper said:
Yes, Hass. We're all about that 'murican fweedumb' here in the EU. What could be more horrible than federal legislation to curb gun violence in the US. Who cares about 30 k gun homicides every year including a large number of little kids dead from school shootings, it's not as bad as "jackboots!1"
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Well this is just the stupidest thing I think you have ever said. It would take centuries of shooting in the states to even start to compare to what those who think they can enforce their will that way have done.

I mean it would take 200 years just to catch up to the number of Jewish people your precious Nazi allies killed (6,000,000 by the way) and that's not accounting for the millions of other people the Nazis killed, so yeah go praise your jackboots again jackass. Oh and by the way swimming pools kill more kids then firearms in the states so should the jackboots go and fill all those fun pools up?
 
I must say that it is kind of funny that people are so stubborn in that heavy requisitions and a stop of distribution would be impossible when just recently 4 people dying of E.Coli in cabbages ensued removed all cabbages from the market and imports until further notice seamlessly. Then again the Cabbage Black Market must have worked just fine for the rascals who couldn't get enough veggie goodness...

Cabbage Control thread when?
 
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Leave it to Arnust to make another incredibly inane comparison.

Because sure, we can use a cabbage to stop tyrannical government politicians.

Cabbage = GunZ.
 
Excuse me, but hearty salads are a way more common and essential necessity. And if the government isn't tyrannical for VIOLATING your rights to forbid one specific type of merchandise in sake of the many, I don't know what is!

It also was a point on the actual requisition process and the irony of acting on less than a handful of people when other endemic issues have raked a bigger body count to be answered with contentful inaction.

And you know, joking. That's a part of it too, because it's funny.
 
It is not so much about inaction (which I disagree with), but making sure any kind of action isn't going to be outright tyrannical.

Any action needs to be commensurate with the consequences. This is especially more important when you take into consideration culture and amount of product already available.
 
Arnust said:
I must say that it is kind of funny that people are so stubborn in that heavy requisitions and a stop of distribution would be impossible when just recently 4 people dying of E.Coli in cabbages ensued removed all cabbages from the market and imports until further notice seamlessly. Then again the Cabbage Black Market must have worked just fine for the rascals who couldn't get enough veggie goodness...

Cabbage Control thread when?
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The Cabbage black market does exist, its called having a garden at home. Can you stop people from growing there own good cabbage? Imagine that the jackboots are stomping through your garden uprooting all those precious cabbage heads. And wow, look the ban will be over and cabbage will be back on the shelves and hopefully some dumb people learned they need to wash there veggies before eating them.

This is such a stupid comparison its like comparing apples to oranges.
 
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