Gun Control

GonZo_626 said:
This is such a stupid comparison its like comparing apples to oranges.
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Anyway here's for one of those heart pluckin' emotionally manipulative stories to move on: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/i-dont-want-to-shoot-you-brother/

TL;DR Black guy trying to suicide by cop with an unloaded pistol. First cop to arrive draws a gun but didn't fire. Tried to talk him down but he is being erratic and waving the gun around. Two other cops arrive and one of them fires and kills the black guy. First cop got fired when it essentially was the fault of Dispatch not being overly clarifying of wether was he armed or not.
 
Suicide by cop is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. You want to get shot by cops by doing that shit, you get shot by cops doing that shit.
 
DarkCorp said:
Leave it to Arnust to make another incredibly inane comparison.

Because sure, we can use a cabbage to stop tyrannical government politicians.

Cabbage = GunZ.
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You guys are the ones saying guns = ice cream, guns = swimming pools, etc. and of course guns = cars.

The cabbage scare serves to illustrate how guns seem to have a special place in US legislation due to the power of the NRA and the pro-gun lobby. Just like Putin's critics are killed off in Russia, similarly NRA and the pro-gun lobby targets it's enemies in undemocratic ways.
 
Mutant

I am not saying that personally.

You ever think that a majority of Americans actually want their rights to bear arms? It isn't some Mr. Burns esq conspiracy where the lobbyists and NRA are forcing Americans to buy guns.

It isn't so much legislation as it is the 1ST AMENDMENT. That is why the cabbage argument is flawed. When one tried to compare 2 different tihngs.
 
Amendment? Is amendment something you can, you know, amend? Well, it is called an amendment so...yea I guess so. They do it all the time over there in Europe, and they have really low gun violence figures.
 
MutantScalper said:
Amendment? Is amendment something you can, you know, amend? Well, it is called an amendment so...yea I guess so. They do it all the time over there in Europe, and they have really low gun violence figures.
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Of course we can DYUH. What you do not seem to get is that the majority of Americans DO NOT want it to be amended.

And no, we are not going to let an occasional bad instance turn us into a nanny state with gun laws so restrictive it might as well be a ban.
 
MutantScalper said:
Amendment? Is amendment something you can, you know, amend? Well, it is called an amendment so...yea I guess so. They do it all the time over there in Europe, and they have really low gun violence figures.
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That's not really how amendments work over here...or anywhere else, really. You need to get people behind these things. I can understand this is a difficult concept to comprehend when you're in and out of drunken ramblings about nonsense and how bad the US is.
 
Hehehe, Norway on spot 1. You get a single proper mass shooting and have very few people in your country, and suddenly all the idiots think you're some sort of hyperviolent dystopia.
 
Trying to poke holes at the strawman of "this ABSOLUTELY does not happen in any way anywhere else period, no caveats" at the lack of anything else is pretty funny.
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"See, way not true! There's places that are actually worse, the violence in 2/3 of those above us may be fault of our foreign policy along contemporary history, but it's not us-us"

And if wanting to ignore frequency for kill count isn't "muh mainpulative", I don't know what is. If such things happen more commonly it's gonna distress the average person way more than waaay less frequent but more individually dangerous sprees, and also respectively have a better chance to happen to them period. Isn't "it would happen either way" one of the main arguments anti GC, and how would this stand along that perspective?

Also yeah counting whole countries for just one is pretty loler.
 
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The numbers won't be perfect since I believe the NYT article was from 2016 (and compared using raw population rather than per capita), and the adjusted graph per capita evaluates between 98 and 2012 - there's been more recent mass shootings in the US like Mandalay and Sandy hook which would bump the US higher.

Whether you guys disagree with Lott's analysis, his sources are listed and can be reviewed:

https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/n...otings-u-s-rate-is-lower-than-global-average/
 
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Hassknecht said:
Hehehe, Norway on spot 1. You get a single proper mass shooting and have very few people in your country, and suddenly all the idiots think you're some sort of hyperviolent dystopia.
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Yeah that fact was brought up a lot in the comments 1 shooting incident with 77 people dead really distorts the stats.

Also one thing that some seem to be missing is that this article takes out mass shootings involving things like gang violence or where other crimes were intended and is only taking mass shootings where that is the intent of the shooter. So a lot of shootings in the US were excluded as they involve gangs.
 
Norway was essentially an outlier in the analysis and should have been dropped. It doesn't create a significant association.
 
Mutant

Another over generalized mutant post.

'Minorities', very misleading. Asians are the smallest demographic but we are very low on the prison statistics. So are Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc.

'Flooding society with guns'.

Again, this sounds like an accusation at a particular institution. Which institution do you speak of where they FORCE Americans to buy guns? Are they flooding the streets by just giving guns away for free?
 
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