Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Very funny, joke-boy (Newman from Seinfeld - face).
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Of course. But there are a lot of people out there who are actually like that. And there really is nothing funnier than those idiots getting snuffed.
     
  3. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    I think you're starting to get it. (Lack of) Gun control, and I bet you euros have gay motorcycle helmet laws and things of that nature too, actually accelerate natural selection. This is a solution, not a problem.
     
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  4. GlutinousRice

    GlutinousRice Ne travaillez jamais

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    Nov 7, 2015
    Christians and Mormons? Fundamentalist Christians would rather burn them for heresy than to be associated with them.
     
  5. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Shush, you will ruin the fun.
     
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  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Well, that is mainly because some of us think that your best tool against tyranny from your own government is intelligent, well informed, educated and reasonable human beings working for said government, with an intelligent, well informed and educated population making the ellection.
    If 90% of the population tomorrow would vote for Hitler, there is not much your weapons will do, if the population feels that the tyranny they have is a good thing. Weapons alone don't change anything, they might make changes easier or what ever, I won't denny that. But it's afterall the people, that have to be willing to stand up for their rights.
     
  7. Mak

    Mak The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah!

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    Aug 22, 2016
    It wouldn't be much of a tyrannical government if "intelligent, well informed, educated and reasonable human beings" were working for that government. And It wouldn't be much of a tyrannical government if it was swayed by the "intelligent, well informed and educated population", either. That "tool" isn't of much use when the tool your government has is a vast arsenal of killing machines, is it?

    Guns don't magically kill all the bad guys and create world peace? Thanks for the info.
     
  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Then why act like they do? Like I said, I find this american mindset simply funny, where the opinion of some seems to be that weapons magically protect you from a tyranical government. Which is fun, because american citizens lost quite a lot of rights in the recent decades, but do you see any gun nut revolt? Not really. Beacuse many of them actually agree. As long it's the right of a minority, or with the idea to protect everyone from da bad mushlim!
     
  9. Mak

    Mak The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah!

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    Aug 22, 2016
    That's just what we want you to think.
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Yes, exactly like Russia. But without Putin.
     
  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009

    Y'all free to continue talking about swimming pools, Russia, Putin, ice cream, price of cheese, whatever. Chris and 48 others will still be dead.
     
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  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You should try to get your hands on With the old Breed, by Eugene Sledge. It doesn't seem to be like your standard war-book or biogrophy, particularly as if I remember correctly Eugene wrote the book for his family rather then for some large audience, to explain them what he experienced in war. The Pacific, a pretty good series, was based in some parts on the book.
     
  13. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Yes I know I have read it and also the book Helmet For My Pillow by the other guy that Pacific is based on. And many other books about Ww 2, Korean war and Vietnam war. And about the newer wars.
     
  14. DevilTakeMe

    DevilTakeMe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 12, 2011
    About the Orlando Night club shooting, it should come as no surprise that there are two very different responses.

    On one side, you have the anti-gun groups such as the Gays Against Guns. The belief is that such violence will not happen again if no one has a gun.

    On the other side, you have pro-gun groups like the Pink Pistols, an LBGT organization who believes that gays must stand up for themselves and get armed. For them, gay rights and gun rights go hand in hand.

    That said, the actual issues of gun control, mass shootings, and the US' firearm crimes are far far more complex. The measures the US is arguing about right now is already so far behind the times that it's never really going to be resolved any time soon.

    For instance, only about 5% of firearms used in any of the crimes in the US are legally purchased. The vast majority come from "straw purchased" and black market firearms (about 40% each respectively). The "gun show loophole" accounts for less than 1% of firearms used in crime.

    When most guns are already purchased by people who can pass background checks, what are universal background checks supposed to stop? It certainly has not stopped many mass shootings (Columbine, San Bernadino, etc.) It also doesn't stop criminals from buying guns anyway.

    No, in order to achieve the lowered levels of gun violence that are found in the UK, Germany, etc. The US would not only have to give up the 2nd Amendment as a right, but also the 4th amendment. UK and Germany, specifically, have laws in place for gun registration and safe storage, but they also have laws for safety inspections at any time.

    To my knowledge, nowhere in the US, is a requirement for inspecting safe storage allowed. In some places, you are required to own a gun locker or safe, but no one is required to let the police come in for a safety check, or even to make sure that you have the guns that you bought. Every year, some 230,000 guns are lost or stolen from civilian owners.
     
  15. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    About 100% of guns used in crime in US were made in a gun factory which means they were legal at one point.

    In other news Dwyane Wade's cousin was shot and Trump is trying to use it in his campaign, somehow.
     
  16. DevilTakeMe

    DevilTakeMe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 12, 2011
    I'll note this is factually incorrect. That's more like 99.9% of firearms were made in a factory. You also miss out on potato guns, pipe rifles, etc.

    One of the newer buzzwords in US media is "ghost guns", along with "Assault weapon" and the older "Saturday Night Special." One can assemble and make their own firearms in their home, and it is perfectly legal, without a background check. No registration, no background check, no Federal Firearms Licenses involved.

    To make this even easier, some companies sell incomplete lower receivers. A receiver that is 60-80% completed is not a firearm, but a hunk of metal. People buy these and then finish them to make a firearm with no paperwork involved. All you need is a couple readily available tools, like a dremel and a drill press. The rest of the parts, like the bolt, and barrel, magazine, etc. require no paperwork or background checks to purchase.
     
  17. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Oh ok "about 100%" isn't the same as 99.9%? Of which i'm not even sure is true. 0.01% of US gun violence is a lot of potato gun violence. Edit. Gun crime. Not gun violence. Wonder how many bank robberies or gangland drivebys are done with potato guns every year. "Hey lady I got 200 psi of pressure in this here potato gun and a magnum spud loaded! Betta start handin over that money!."

    However it is ok to talk about knives, cars, swimming pools, etc. in a thread about gun control. That is "factually correct". US gun companies are irresponsible, they don't sell stuff like that over here.
     
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  18. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    That sounds incredibly illegal. I'm surprised there isn't any legislation against that, fuck, I feel as though even groups like the NRA could get behind getting rid of that.
     
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    When you look up the history of the NRA, they actually havn't been the gun-fanatics we see today. They actually started, if I remember correctly, as a group to make ensure gun safety. But it has been taken over at some point by a radical minority. And they, I think, don't have even really an interest in weapons or what ever. They just want to have some influence on politics. It's about lobbyism, selling stuff, making money and gaining power.

    The weapon industry in the US is quite large after all, and they do sell a lot of firearms, to both armies and civilians. Obviously at least some have a very keen interest that goes further than just mah freedooooms! to make sure that the US stays a gun-nation. And many people don't even see how they are nothing more but a propaganda tool for them.
     
  20. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    There's a branch of NRA in Finland. They came here after the two school shootings. You'd think they'd do the opposite. They are connected to looney fringe right wingers here, and in US too when you think about it.