Gun Control

MutantScalper said:
Oh ok "about 100%" isn't the same as 99.9%? Of which i'm not even sure is true. 0.01% of US gun violence is a lot of potato gun violence. Edit. Gun crime. Not gun violence. Wonder how many bank robberies or gangland drivebys are done with potato guns every year. "Hey lady I got 200 psi of pressure in this here potato gun and a magnum spud loaded! Betta start handin over that money!."
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Why would they use potato guns for that? They have real guns they straw purchase. Less work to get a girlfriend or even a neighbor to buy a gun, give it to you, and tell the police the gun was stolen. Heck, I'm fairly certain more people are shot with a bow and arrow than a potato gun, but the potential is still there, as with black powder muskets and rifles.

The simple fact is that, no, 100% of guns aren't made in factories. Most are, and the ones that are not have zero accountability.

Izak said:
That sounds incredibly illegal. I'm surprised there isn't any legislation against that, fuck, I feel as though even groups like the NRA could get behind getting rid of that.
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It's quite legal. Weapons made from scratch or from kits are perfectly legal to make and own, with no Federal requirement to register or report. California may be the only state in the US that requires weapons like this to be registered, but only after they are made, and so, again, no background check or anything up front, and of course, catching them after they are made is pretty much impossible.

The same law applies to 3D printed guns. They're perfectly legal to make and own, you simply can't sell them.

The most common weapons made from partially-completed receivers are the AR-15 rifle platform, but there are also metal blocks for the 1911 handgun and a few other weapons.

Crni Vuk said:
When you look up the history of the NRA, they actually havn't been the gun-fanatics we see today. They actually started, if I remember correctly, as a group to make ensure gun safety. But it has been taken over at some point by a radical minority. And they, I think, don't have even really an interest in weapons or what ever. They just want to have some influence on politics. It's about lobbyism, selling stuff, making money and gaining power.
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The NRA began as a shooting sports and gun safety organization. It sponsors the Boy Scouts of America, 4-H, and a lot of traditional American groups. It also sponsors the "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program aimed to help children stay away from firearms.

The NRA has a wing called the Institute of Legislative Action (the NRA-ILA) that is the lobbying section of the NRA. It's the section of the NRA that has all the lawyers, and people involved politics. It's this section that shifted the NRA towards becoming a gun rights group.

And even then, there are growing groups that think the NRA is WEAK on gun rights. The National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR) is a "No Compromise" group on Gun Rights that spends more on lobbying than the NRA-ILA.
 
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Some US guy was found guilty of supplying gun parts into Finland for criminals such as MC-gangs etc. They handled the pay traffic through PayPal. So, yea, stuff like that happens, and USA isn't some isolated island when it comes to this. The value of the gun parts was over 100 thousand bucks.
 
There's a scene in Waltz with Bashir where the APC machinegunner is told to simply keep shooting into the dead of night, ratatatatatata not aiming at anything, not taking his finger off the trigger, ratatatatatatata, that's how I imagine US-of-the-Future would do it, just ratatatatatatata round themselves, day and night, ratatatatatatatata

MutantScalper said:
There's a branch of NRA in Finland. They came here after the two school shootings. You'd think they'd do the opposite. They are connected to looney fringe right wingers here, and in US too when you think about it.
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I wonder what stopped them from taking advantage of the Breivik shootery to promote guns here
 
MutantScalper said:
Some US guy was found guilty of supplying gun parts into Finland for criminals such as MC-gangs etc. They handled the pay traffic through PayPal. So, yea, stuff like that happens, and USA isn't some isolated island when it comes to this. The value of the gun parts was over 100 thousand bucks.
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To add, the guy who did this was 60 years old, got the gun parts (M16-, M4, AR-15, Uzi) from gun auction sites. The American customs officials nabbed the guy and he's accused of a lot of stuff. Could face up to 3 years in prison. This was in the news yesterday.
 
Bunch of idiots, she should have simply claimed that he was opressing her with his masculinity of not holding the door open or something. She would be already free.
 
So we actually did have a gun control thread in here.

So, will something change after the Las Vegas - shooting? Will nothing change? What odds are the Vegas bookies giving? :D
 
I feel that while guns are dangerous we shouldn't use that as a reason to get rid of them. I mean, knives are dangerous but we don't ban those. How about automobiles, those are dangerous but we don't ban those, either. It doesn't matter what the object is, people will always find ways to inflict absolute harm unto others, it really boils down to which would be quicker. Would you rather be gunned down fast and most likely painlessly or would you rather be constantly stabbed in the gut?

/edit: I should give you another warning point just for making me read through this post to fix it.
 
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R.Graves said:
Fact is guns are used for defense. We outlaw those then what? Knives are next. We really going to outlaw the right to self preservation because of a nutcase every few years? You can't outlaw crazy. If it's not guns then it trucks of peace.
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Guns are used for offence. US has the highest gun violence/crime figures in the western world by far.
 
The Golden Mask said:
...it really boils down to which would be quicker. Would you rather be gunned down fast and most likely painlessly or would you rather be constantly stabbed in the gut?
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That's a good one. I just randomly stumbled here and this was the first thing to catch my eye (thanks to the red batch of text) and I actually laughed out loud.

Is that the conservative US in a nutshell regarding this matter? Which way would you prefer to die most? Stabbed or shot? Think about it. :lmao:
 
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If you stab someone, the force of how to kill someone plus the fact it's a melee attack means you'll only get enough time to kill one or two people until you're stopped/people runaway.
Even then, it's easier for police to stop someone with a knife.

A gun on the other hand can allow you to kill multiple people at once...

Even with this argument being so thin on 'how many do you prefer dead?' The answer is... As few as possible.
 
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