You seem to think that the only fights worth having are those you can win.
We differ in this respect. Some lost causes are still worth fighting for, even if it means your death in the process.
You mean everyones death to be precise. Remember, some people survived Srebrenica. If they defended them self - which wouldn't have been very effective, probably no one would have survived.
Being idealistic is a nice thing, but idealism is well, just that. If you're a mother of 3 children or someone with several younger siblings and a family things get complicated.
Not everyone can nor will think and act like you do.
I would prefer it, yes. I refuse to be lined up and executed without fighting back.
Again, there WAS fighting, I repeat, they DID fight back, but they lost, they had to abandon their positions. Most of the people left couldn't fight anymore even if they had weapons.
You also fail to take into account the realities that the UN peace keepers faced.
So when they don't fight, despite the guns and training, it's reality. But when civilians realize a fight is useless then it's better to 'die upright with a rifle in your hand' instead of geting lined up and shoot? And here I thought :
"You seem to think that the only fights worth having are those you can win." is the way to go.
So this only applies when it fitts your narrative.
I can understand that a lot of people thought, they might get trough it if they just keep a low profile compared to a fight that would have simply killed everyone who had a gun and tried fighting back. As a prisoner you have at least a chance on survival, even if it's small.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
That quote is completely out of context in this topic. Particularly as I have very serious doubts the parents and people that loost someone dear to them in those school shootings agree with that interpretation. A saying that is often touted by gun-activists without actually knowing the meaning behind it.
I quote :
“What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”
In the same letter, however, Jefferson stated that the rebellion was “founded in ignorance ... The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.” Jefferson also referred to the delegates who had finalized a draft of the U.S. Constitution in September 1787, stating, “Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/thomas-jefferson-and-the_b_273800.html
Unless you want a bloody revolution every 20 years by some ignorant activists/groups then I am not sure if it serves any meaningfull purpose in this topic. Besides, as much as I respect the founding fathers and their whisdom, they are not holy all knowing deities, they have always to be seen as men of their time. We're not living in the age of rather inacurate Flintlock rifles anymore - a real shame as they are pretty good looking weapons! But I am pretty confident, Jefferson wasn't talking about people attending schools, music festivals and movie theaters.
You are right about one thing, Civilians today are loosing more and more rights in the US, and despite of gun sales increasing and gun-activists talking about 'liberty' and 'freedom' nothing is done here to prevent it. Hell, most of them will probably even support it, if it means that those damn 'comie libtards!' are getting beaten! As the police is cracking down on criminal gangs in inner cities and they had it coming for decades, right!? Than the militarisation of the police is not an issue. And we havn't even talked about all the surveilance that's going on.
But who gives a shit. This is about owning guns. Not defending rights that don't affect you (you like in the general gun activitst talking about freedomz).
I always say this, fascism in the US will come in the form of a gun wraped in the american flag and with a smilie. It seems you can take everything from them, step by step, except for their guns, as long as they keep them, they will believe to be 'free'. While all of their personal data is getting stolen and controlled by giant corporations.
This is the kind of rhetoric which the US is based on. People moving there or living there know quite well what they got themselves into.
So in order to avoid geting shoot by a crazy lunatic in a school hallway, the teenagers should have simply decided at some point to leave the United States to live somewhere else ... oh well. Is that what you're trying to say?
Really, that's it? Comparing a non-trivial claim to "the moon orbits the earth"? I'm not being obnoxious, I provided a rebuttal with a link, which you dismissed out of hand without providing anything in return. You're just playing the pigeon chess tactic and I seriously doubt that you just don't want to waste your precious time. I think you know that your claim doesn't hold up to scrutiny but you wouldn't admit that.
I love you Sua, but Buxbaum has you ...
Just admit defeat in this one and we can move on :p.
