Gun Control

Danuis said:
I feel that both blocs don't fulfill my 'gun-law' needs properly. The Democrats are too hardline about it and the Republicans are too invested in the NRA. I can surely agree with more testing and background checking, but little more - Japan is NOT an example to follow, IMO.
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I think the Democracts are not really hardline, or at least only hardline where it's pointless. Banning all "assault rifles" is pointless, the majority of gun violence is done with handguns. And banning ALL guns is ridiculous, too, because there are just too many around already.
Gun control is just treating a symptom, and doing it badly at that.
Guns don't cause violence (although one could argue that the ubiquity of guns and their inherent value to violence does make violence in general seem much more acceptable for average people), the violence is a symptom of underlying societal problems. Guns just make them worse, but banning them wouldn't really do much since there are too many to get rid off.
There's a divide in society, and there's constant fear for and of the future, of strangers, of neighbours, of everything, due to the constant pressure from society. People on all sides of the political spectrum are getting more and more hardline with little to no dialogue possible anymore.
Guns only do damage if you want to use them against your fellow men (or if you're an idiot, but that's not the point right now). That is the issue that needs to be fixed. Why do so many want to hurt others?
 
zegh8578 said:
I actually love guns
The few times in my life I held handguns, I almost get a bit weird
I pet the gun
I pet it and I mean it

Once I was allowed to hold and "dry pump" a pump action shotgun
Yeah, you are free to think in terms of inuendos and just run with it, I was almost drooling

I do want guns
I wish someone would give me guns

As for the politics, jesus christ, it just makes me wish for a meteor - but guns in themselves, I love them, to the point of sheer perversion
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MutantScalper said:
Now Atomkilla might not give Zegh a gun. Gonzo and SuAside would be glad to hand him one. I would distract him and cook and give him some reindeer stew and that would make him forget about guns. Walpknut would give him a...back rub? Not sure.

Anyway, there are different ways to approach situations. :)

Anyhoo, back on topic. Armed guards might not work, the deputy dude assigned to guard the Florida school kinda didn't do nuffin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634
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Happy to oblige, if you are coming to Canada let me know, we may be able to work something out if you end up anywhere near me I will take you for a day on the range. Petting the gun is ok if it does not get to "heavy", and if you leave my eyesight we may have some problems as I don't want to know what you were doing with it.
 
Atomkilla said:
I for one think guns suck and should be abolished. People who use guns really have issues. It really reflects their deep mental issues and improper destructive urges.

Thermonuclear weapons.
Now I am for that. Proper destructive urge.
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What is the msrp on one of those bad boys?
 
Companies that previously supported and sponsored NRA are leaving it. This could be significant in reducing NRA's power.

https://www.axios.com/companies-beg...ips-1a834610-3882-470e-8305-e42b16c65523.html

A growing list of companies, including Best Western and MetLife, are ending their partnerships with the National Rifle Association, as #BoycottNRA gains momentum on social media. Some companies have claimed they severed ties with the organization prior to the Parkland school shooting.

Here's the running tally:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Shooter had much more ammo and had a swastika on one of the clips.

 
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Hmm? I mean if this was about something else than a white, maybe nationalist idiot going crazy we would have a different conversation - probably, like in Orlando when a few sick people started to shoot people in a gay bar.

See, my point is if it's a muslim lunatic it's often a discussion pushed in a direction about something that's apparantly 'systemic' - aka it's Islams fault.

But you rarely if ever have a discussion about the fact that almost all shooters are white young males, of which some have rather questionable ideological motivations. No one would suggest here that it's a cultural thing.

With a muslim or black person, its often a discussion about 'culture', with a white nationalist/neonazi it's always a lone, crazy lunatic. So politicans say, Thoughts and prayers! (to the families).- Particuilarly by Republicans.

I just find this a bit irritating. Particularly when you consider which culture killed 100.000 of people, particulary in the middle east. And is still one of the 5 largest weapon dealers in the world ... and making sure this planet becomes eventually inhabitalbe for future generations.
 
Crni Vuk said:
With a muslim or black person, its often a discussion about 'culture', with a white nationalist/neonazi it's always a lone, crazy lunatic. So politicans say, Thoughts and prayers! (to the families).- Particuilarly by Republicans.
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This is a distinction without a difference, they say it in both cases regardless of the attacker's flavor/ideology. Doesn't matter either way since it's just a hollow platitude anyway. Back to your regularly scheduled sermon...
 
Not if you consider the mainstream media and the popular political rhetoric. Since when was the last time you had a serious debate going on about the influence of our western culture on school shootings? Or the importance of it? Some people here already get offended if you only mention the US gun culture for example, or the influence of the NRA on politics.

How is that different from people runing amok (figuratively), when they scream how everyone on the left is so offended all the time?

I am not saying that Islam or viollence in black communities shouldn't be seen critical, what I am complaining about is that the same critical thinking if you will, isn't applied in the same manner to school shootings, definetly not from the Republicans or most political figures. Imagine if you said something like, white culture is to blame for school shootings! You would be either seen as a leftist or a lunatic, probably both. But it is totally acceptable for a politican in higher positions to question Islam as a whole religion based on terrorist attacks like the Orlando Shooting.
 
I think that the problem with the now of meme status "my thoughts and prayers", is that it ignores the perpetrator, cheapening the reaction act, of course, unless it's something that can be banked on for whatever "controversy" swaying for his side. I don't think that it's really better for a president to say nothing (kind of infantile to want that in this day and age), but Trump's is hypocritical the most of the times.
 
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If they'd only arm the guns so the guns could defend themselves and shoot back when libs are taking aim at them in the lefty media etc. etc. blaa blaa.

What we need are like those sentry guns in Aliens to become mobile and start moving around like some AI mechas and start shooting around defending liberty.
 
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I told my wife I am just waiting for some teacher to nut the fuck out and kill the whole class.
 
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