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Lost Metal said:
Bethesda is just waiting for the game to have been up for pre-order for awhile before they release any information that may sway buyers decisions.

Once someone has pre-ordered Fallout 3, Im betting the % of those who cancel it will be very low, regardless of what game mechanic is unvieled.

Therefore, for Bethesda, the longer they hold out, the more pre-orders they get, cancellations become less likely, and they make more money.
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It could be said that the above doesn't make sense all the way through. I was just thinking about how things went with Fallout Tactics?

Wasn't it mentioned also in that "glittering gems of hatred" article, that 1) FT was their most pre'ordered game so far and 2) there were high number of returns as people were disappointed with FT. And the difference to the F3 is that with FT it wasn't secret that what kind of game it will be, etc. Yet it was still pre'ordered, a lot. Now, with F3 you aren't getting any clues at all what kind of game it will honestly be (it could be something ranging from console ported first person shooter crap into a real sequel to the first two F-games), so who would wanna pre'order something like that?

I think that even overhyping a game is better way than the present "not telling anything at all, but still trying to hype". At least usually hype has something (even if not much) to back up with - but what do we have to back up the F3 hype ... :?
 
monsharen said:
Morbus said:
Don't overthink. Who wrote that particular sentence is probably a person very used to consoles and that kind of trash, so it's no wonder he said TV instead of screen... :roll: In other word's, those words are not Pete's.
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This makes me wonder if he was actually pointing at the concept art on a wall somewhere...
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If that was the case, we would have knowledge of it.


Lost Metal said:
As for whether or not the game is going to be turn-based or real time.

How can there honestly still be speculation about this so long after the announcement? Its obvious as hell the game will be real time, and available on many different platforms (xbox,nintendo,playstation).

This is a given, regardless of how much they dance around it. It's fucking BETHESDA people.
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Agreed, but it's not IMPOSSIBLE that we are surprised once the game is announced... Very unlikely, but not impossible.
 
falloutian said:
Now, with F3 you aren't getting any clues at all what kind of game it will honestly be (it could be something ranging from console ported first person shooter crap into a real sequel to the first two F-games), so who would wanna pre'order something like that?
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Read this :
FO3 Producer Ashley Cheng said:
Perhaps the RPGs of the late 90s will make their way back somehow -- those big, beautiful beasts of RPGs. Yet, I imagine, much like adventure games, when they do return, they won't be anything like they were back before iPods ruled the earth.
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quoted from >>here<<

and remember :
- Pete has given a number of interviews to xbox sites.
- Todd's "Fallout 3 will be one of the ...most violent games ever"
- Pete and Todd mentioned "Terminator"
- And "We will do what we do best"

So you can forget all about a "real sequel".
I'd say it could be something from crappy console ported FPS up to a slightly revved-up post-apocalyptic Oblivion with laser guns.
 
That FOBOS Trailer iv found yesterday reminded me of this so called "Terminator humor", there this scene was exactly presented, which Todd told about, big brutal action and then the Fallout mascot is blended in and is doing cool poses. That is exactly what Todd is thinking Fallout humor is all about when he is saying so. And most of the poor things Pete and Todd and Ashley let us know, points to a FOBOS in 1st Person with some more RPG Elements and much better supercool graphics imo. But maybe i will be surprised by Bethesda bastards. :roll:
 
taxacaria said:
falloutian said:
Now, with F3 you aren't getting any clues at all what kind of game it will honestly be (it could be something ranging from console ported first person shooter crap into a real sequel to the first two F-games), so who would wanna pre'order something like that?
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Read this :
FO3 Producer Ashley Cheng said:
Perhaps the RPGs of the late 90s will make their way back somehow -- those big, beautiful beasts of RPGs. Yet, I imagine, much like adventure games, when they do return, they won't be anything like they were back before iPods ruled the earth.
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quoted from >>here<<

and remember :
- Pete has given a number of interviews to xbox sites.
- Todd's "Fallout 3 will be one of the ...most violent games ever"
- Pete and Todd mentioned "Terminator"
- And "We will do what we do best"

So you can forget all about a "real sequel".

I'd say it could be something from crappy console ported FPS up to a slightly revved-up post-apocalyptic Oblivion with laser guns.
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I know, I have read the comments and I know too how it seems (and am afraid the fears will turn out to be correct). But I will not forget the chance of "real sequel" as long as it's even theoretically possible. That said, I certainly will not go pre'ordering anything based on "Bethesda doing what they do best" talks ...

PS: I'll turn into real "glittering gem of hatred" only when / if Bethesda releases something that continues in the vein of "F:BoS" ...
 
Bunkermensch said:
But maybe i will be surprised by Bethesda bastards. :roll:
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Don't count on it. As has been said countless times, it's very very unlikely that Fallout 3 will be a decent cRPG.

SuAside said:
FO3 needs: Isometric view (3D will do)/SPECIAL/non-linear story/turn-based combat/versatile quests/dialog trees
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And the most probable thing is that FO3 have NOTHING of that :(

- Iso? Forget it.
- SPECIAL? Nah! Outdated and stupid and old and outdated and not inovative and stuff...
- Non-linear story? Oblivion was supposed to have that too. If *that* is non-linear story, then my mommy has beard...
- Turn-based combat? No need to! We have good machines now, unlike 10 years ago!!!
- Versatile quests? Huh? What are you talking about? :roll:
- Dialog trees? Noup. That's not what we do best. What we do best is wiki speech! Yay!

</sarcasmo>
 
Morbus said:
And the most probable thing is that FO3 have NOTHING of that :(

- Iso? Forget it.
- SPECIAL? Nah! Outdated and stupid and old and outdated and not inovative and stuff...
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Now this is just stupid. There's no reason why they'd drop SPECIAL and no indication that they will.
 
Sander said:
Now this is just stupid. There's no reason why they'd drop SPECIAL and no indication that they will.
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And is there any indication they won't? :? Anyway, I was just semikidding, so... :P Also, I find it almost impossible that they will not change SPECIAL to their own needs... As has been discussed before, they will probably blend SPECIAL with Morrowind/Oblivion level up system...
 
Morbus said:
And is there any indication they won't? :? Anyway, I was just semikidding, so... :P Also, I find it almost impossible that they will not change SPECIAL to their own needs... As has been discussed before, they will probably blend SPECIAL with Morrowind/Oblivion level up system...
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And this is *really* pure conjecture on your part. Again: there's no indication whatsoever that this is the case. None.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Oblivion? Morrowind? Major commercial and "critical" successes. The console kiddies are whose driving Bethesda, not us.
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Morbus said:
False! Oblivion sold a lot...
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Yes, I was being sarcastic...

Crap PC games still shift units, but they're very unlikely to do big money, and they aren't going to have a long halflife. (Oblivion is not a crap game per se in my opinion, it just isn't what it claimed to be, and there is obviously wasted potential in that it could have been much more.)

If Bethesda make a crap Fallout sequel then it will be frustrating and very disappointing, but it won't be the end of the world; I just won't buy it. (It won't be the first bad game with Fallout in the title, either. So I'm not going to be totally crushed - there have been other false dawns.)

Morbus said:
And is there any indication they won't?
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Todd Howard was asked a long time back on DaC "Will you be using the SPECIAL system in Fallout 3?", and replied, "Yes, we have rights to it and plan on using it."

http://www.duckandcover.cx/content.php?id=66

If they take out SPECIAL, then they really will have nothing left of Fallout, except the name....
 
You know there's the game mechanics, which are one major component. Then there's the designers, which actually breathed life into that infrastructure. Mechanics aside, can any of these Oblivion devs approach what Cain, Boyarsky, MCA et al. did? It's like Michael Bay taking over the Godfather movies from Coppolla.
 
Bradylama said:
As if SPECIAL in realtime actually means anything.
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...especially if combined with Bethesda's preferred learning-by-doing philosophy, which results in massive changes of stats.
 
radnan said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
It's like Michael Bay taking over the Godfather movies from Coppolla.
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omg FO3 gonna start with two tons of explosives and a jailbreak ...
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I don't know about the explosives, but it's very likely the PC will be a prisioner at the start of the game :roll: It's what Bethesda does best™ and was being done in Van Buren :P
 
Morbus said:
radnan said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
It's like Michael Bay taking over the Godfather movies from Coppolla.
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omg FO3 gonna start with two tons of explosives and a jailbreak ...
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I don't know about the explosives, but it's very likely the PC will be a prisioner at the start of the game :roll: It's what Bethesda does best™ and was being done in Van Buren :P
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And which you can find in TES I, TES III, TES IV - so it will be true to the franchise, the TES-franchise, of cause.
I'm sure you will find a 2" automatic gun in your cell hidden under your pillow, so Terminator humour can start immediately.
 
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