Makta
The DICKtator
I can't say i know much about him. But unless they get another commie bastard it could only get better!
Hugo Chavez
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Makta
The DICKtator
Matthews said:
Because the left side of the block is so much better hurr durr!
But i guess you are a follower of the Swedish democrats
Kilus said:
If it would not be so funny ... you could cry about it as its true.
South America. The backyard of the US. Not only figuratively.
I mean seriously. Its no surprise that certain places are what they are today, why some of the politics is so fucked up. Those people try to make the best out of it.
I mean for an "well" educated snobbish european or the typical yelling fast food loving US citizen, Chavez might seem like another daemon that left the world.
But seriously. What do we know? Maybe he was the best choice for his nation after all ... at least for that time. Both the US and Europe screwed South America, Asia and Africa so many times over the last 200 years, that we should not blame them, or their dictators but our politicians and society.
And, if we love our society, we should be also happy for them! Because if those people would tomorrow decide that war, corruption and all those things are not "nice" anymore our economys would collapse. Seriously. don't fear the dictators of those nations, embrace them, this worked with Gadaffi for almost a century!. If you "love" your nation and wealth, fear the day those nations become true peaceful democracies! - of course I am only joking, you should say in the public that you hate them and then sell them your 10-15 year old weapon systems becaues they for sure can kill their neighbours but you know how to disable the systems.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
You people really have some funny ideas about the state of South America. Sure we have a lot of political and social problems, more than you are used to, but you seem to think we all live in wooden shaks in the jungle electing people with red berets all the time.
of couse not, some of you sure have a few green and yellow berrets, just for the fancy colours!
Cimmerian Nights
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Why is always it always necessary to tie everything up with a nice bow and declare that this guy was either an angel or devil just to fit with one's own political bias? Dude was complicated. I think it's says a lot about how political bias stifles open mindedness when a polarizing guy like him is brought to the fore. Lefties love to love him, righties love to hate him, but neither side wants to see more than one facet that would challenge their bias, and see the totality of things.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Most people can only see Politics, or rather Entire issues of opinion only in Black and White.
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
I agree. This guy was International Clown Number One for years. My favorite bit was when he said George Bush was the devil and he could still smell the sulfur at the podium at the U.N.Jebus said:
I'd sooner invest my hopes and dreams in a cantaloupe.
TheGM
The voice of reason
I find it funny Hugo's death has been completely overshadowed by the passing of Paul Bearer.
Five or six years ago, they should've done a reality show where Berlusconi, Khadaffi, Chavez, Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il all shared a house or something. Imagine the crazy, dudes. I would've given BOTH my kidneys for a chance to see that.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Even Fidel Castro should be invited to the reality show, Jebus. He's a mighty fine figure!
Makta
The DICKtator
Jebus said:
For some reason the first thing that came to my mind was "We must have Bush too!"
The truth is that Hugo Chavez's death was a great loss for the people of Venezuela and Latinamerica as a whole.
Hugo taught us to believe in the unity of Latinamerica and reveal against imperialist domination of the U.S. and European countries, which have done so much damage to the south for more than 200 years.
He was truly a man of the people and for the people.
I recommend you all seeing the movie "South of the Border" by Oliver Stone. It shows the process of political change that hit the region in recent years and has contributed to the strengthening and development of Latinamerica, both economically, politically and culturally.
Also, the movie shown the distorted vision presented by the Northamerican media about South American leaders, calling them dictators and "populist", basing their remarks on prejudice and ignorance.
Hugo taught us to believe in the unity of Latinamerica and reveal against imperialist domination of the U.S. and European countries, which have done so much damage to the south for more than 200 years.
He was truly a man of the people and for the people.
I recommend you all seeing the movie "South of the Border" by Oliver Stone. It shows the process of political change that hit the region in recent years and has contributed to the strengthening and development of Latinamerica, both economically, politically and culturally.
Also, the movie shown the distorted vision presented by the Northamerican media about South American leaders, calling them dictators and "populist", basing their remarks on prejudice and ignorance.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
EL IMPERIALISMO YANKEEEEEEEEE.
LOLS.
LOLS.
Telling you a secret here.G-Man said:
All politicans are that way. Some are just simply a bit better at hidding it. And others (US president) dont even need to really hide it.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
And Hugo Chavez was very much Populist, he took power away from a democratily elected president, PUT HIM IN JAIL, reworked laws so he could keep getting re-elected, put journalists in jail, liked to spread rather xenophobic ideas among other things.
Crni Vuk said:
I do not know if all the politicians are the same, I do not like to generalize. Concepts such as "dictator", "populist" and even the classic stereotype of a "politician" are ideal types that often do not correspond 100% with the reality and are only used to get an approximation to it.
I believe that the rise and persistence of a politician in power is the result of a specific historical process, with particular socio-cultural characteristics, which should be taken into account in the analysis, in order to have a better understanding of the matter.
Walpknut said:
Chavez came to power after winning elections, in fact he has won so many elections that I've lost the count. He must have been one of the most democratic presidents in history.
It was the people who elected Chavez to rule over them and also it was the people who decided to amend the Constitution through a referendum, so the process enjoy of complete legitimacy.
The concentration of media in Venezuela is atrocious, there are 111 private channels in the hands of the opposition and only 13 state channels. Journalists often work as political operatives and often engage in illegal practices, such as espionage and information theft. Journalists that fall imprisoned aren't anything special.