I Admire the Purity of The Legion's Justice.

Also, and I think I even made a thread about it here, the killing off of all the powder gangers and other drug pushers in the Vegas area could have been a mission in the game. Mission maybe called "Make My Day, Punk" or something. :)
 
MutantScalper said:
Also, and I think I even made a thread about it here, the killing off of all the powder gangers and other drug pushers in the Vegas area could have been a mission in the game. Mission maybe called "Make My Day, Punk" or something. :)
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Dude that would've been fucking AWESOME. I feel like the Legion got royally fucked by not having enough quests. Like more fucked than they were by the NCR at the First Battle of Hoover Dam
 
MutantScalper said:
Also, and I think I even made a thread about it here, the killing off of all the powder gangers and other drug pushers in the Vegas area could have been a mission in the game. Mission maybe called "Make My Day, Punk" or something. :)
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IIRC, the NCR has a mission to overrun the correction facility and wipe the gangers stationed there out. And there are the headhunting quests at McCarran. The cost of making an ARPG so close to Fo3 means you have to use an infinite raider churner for XP, so fully wiping out lesser factions isn't entirely explored. I do appreciate having the few quests dedicated to hitting the dickbag factions hard.
 
Ayelander said:
Looking sharp!
I'll just have to take your word about the others though.
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Thanks man. But yeah like my cousins mostly suck. Only like two are cool. My cousin Vera is my favorite, but she's a lesbian so she's not gonna provide any heirs lol. The rest've my cousins are fucking potatoes. Like MORE potato than me. So it's up to me to continue the family.
 
Ayelander said:
The cost of making an ARPG so close to Fo3 means you have to use an infinite raider churner for XP, so fully wiping out lesser factions isn't entirely explored.
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Well that, and like I said there's always gonna be more raiders. Like the Khans for example. They were smashed and reformed so many times until the NCR had to hire Postman Pat to do their fucking job for them; and even then the slideshow says they try to start again! The Khans are literally the perfect embodiment of raiders in the wasteland; human cockroaches that can never be killed off completely, because as long as there are drugs to sell, willing customers and a symbol to rally behind, opportunistic people are gonna use that symbol and sell those drugs to those customers.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Thanks man. But yeah like my cousins mostly suck. Only like two are cool. My cousin Vera is my favorite, but she's a lesbian so she's not gonna provide any heirs lol. The rest've my cousins are fucking potatoes. Like MORE potato than me. So it's up to me to continue the family.
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I'm about a 5 myself. Overweight and all. I lose that, and I'd put myself up to a 6.5. I pretty much have to rely on funny gets the fanny for now though.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
and even then the slideshow says they try to start again!
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Not if you pull a Fo3 and convince them that mass suicide is epic.


As for the wastrels that encourage raiders to stay in business, they're about the only people I'd be happy to hand over to the Legion. Thank god House isn't a bleeding heart or else these drugged up vagrants would be getting on my spaceships.
 
Ayelander said:
IIRC, the NCR has a mission to overrun the correction facility and wipe the gangers stationed there out. And there are the headhunting quests at McCarran. The cost of making an ARPG so close to Fo3 means you have to use an infinite raider churner for XP, so fully wiping out lesser factions isn't entirely explored. I do appreciate having the few quests dedicated to hitting the dickbag factions hard.
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Yea I remember the prison-mission and the McCarran-missions too I think, it's been a while since I played Vegas. There isn't a "kill all the drug pushers" -mission though, although you can sort of kill many of the powder gangers along the way without getting 'mission accomplished' credit of course.

But yea, the thing is IMHO, there's just a lot of untapped philosophical etc. potential in the whole drug pusher/crucifixion/vigilante justice/torture - etc. stuff. I mean, you gotta introduce these issues to little kids at some point, why not have them in a cute game they play. :D

Also, Romans did use crucifixion as a part of the warfare in sieges etc., it was an 'everyday thing' for them. Pretty rough thing yea but some nations still have the death penalty. The bloody history of the Roman empire and the morality of the death penalty, more stuff for little kids to ponder about. :D
 
Ayelander said:
I'm about a 5 myself. Overweight and all. I lose that, and I'd put myself up to a 6.5. I pretty much have to rely on funny gets the fanny for now though.
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Wanna hear a good one? I'm 5'10", 200 pounds. My eyes are blue-green and my hair is brown. On the restraining order, that friend I mentioned described me as "6' tall, 350 pounds, with blue eyes and black hair." Like she literally googled WOP and put down what came up lmao.

And honestly that's one've the issues I have with House; he doesn't have to go full Followers and accept literally everyone, but at least make life better for the huddled masses before you Rocket Man off into the fucking moon. Make it so there's a runner-up prize even if you don't make it to Space Rapture.
 
MutantScalper said:
Yea I remember the prison-mission and the McCarran-missions too I think, it's been a while since I played Vegas. There isn't a "kill all the drug pushers" -mission though, although you can sort of kill many of the powder gangers along the way without getting 'mission accomplished' credit of course.

But yea, the thing is IMHO, there's just a lot of untapped philosophical etc. potential in the whole drug pusher/crucifixion/vigilante justice/torture - etc. stuff. I mean, you gotta introduce these issues to little kids at some point, why not have them in a cute game they play. :D

Also, Romans did use crucifixion as a part of the warfare in sieges etc., it was an 'everyday thing' for them. Pretty rough thing yea but some nations still have the death penalty. The bloody history of the Roman empire and the morality of the death penalty, more stuff for little kids to ponder about. :D
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I never want to see New Vegas be called cute again.

But once again, you can blame this lack of content on the absurdly short dev cycle.
 
MutantScalper said:
Also, Romans did use crucifixion as a part of the warfare in sieges etc., it was an 'everyday thing' for them. Pretty rough thing yea but some nations still have the death penalty. The bloody history of the Roman empire and the morality of the death penalty, more stuff for little kids to ponder about. :D
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Yep. It's like how I mentioned Spartacus in my first post; Crassus crucified thousands of slaves after the rebellion along the Appian Way just to send the message that the free Romans had had it with the slaves' shit.

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As for the philosophical shit, I do definitely believe that other ways of thinking should be taught to kids early on; it helps them accept others' belief systems and think outside the box. My parents raised me Catholic and tbh I hated religion until I converted to paganism; it all honestly depends on preference. But by teaching philosophy we can allow people to choose their own preference, rather than foisting our own on them. Like my parents did.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Wanna hear a good one? I'm 5'10", 200 pounds. My eyes are blue-green and my hair is brown. On the restraining order, that friend I mentioned described me as "6' tall, 350 pounds, with blue eyes and black hair." Like she literally googled WOP and put down what came up lmao.

And honestly that's one've the issues I have with House; he doesn't have to go full Followers and accept literally everyone, but at least make life better for the huddled masses before you Rocket Man off into the fucking moon. Make it so there's a runner-up prize even if you don't make it to Space Rapture.
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With how backwards his plans have been set, he can't afford to be charitable. You got money? You get luxury and comfort. If not? Fuck outta here. I like to hope that when he has his perfect little ecosystem set up he'll begin helping people outside the strip. He'd be very selective of course, but the majority of Freeside citizens are junkies and vagrants. I can see him using the Kings for this if they're still around after he seizes control of the Mojave. Those guys already run their little water tax shakedowns. Not like they're above putting money over lives.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Yep. It's like how I mentioned Spartacus in my first post; Crassus crucified thousands of slaves after the rebellion along the Appian Way just to send the message that the free Romans had had it with the slaves' shit.

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As for the philosophical shit, I do definitely believe that other ways of thinking should be taught to kids early on; it helps them accept others' belief systems and think outside the box. My parents raised me Catholic and tbh I hated religion until I converted to paganism; it all honestly depends on preference. But by teaching philosophy we can allow people to choose their own preference, rather than foisting our own on them. Like my parents did.
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I remember Romans crucifying Jewish spies during the siege of Jerusalem. They caught the spies and crucified them facing the sieged city as if to say "hey look at this, are these guys yours?" . Pretty rough stuff.

I guess there's a thing about the crucifixion in Vegas where it's a thing that the player is the Chosen One and 'raises from the dead' etc. and is a kind of 'nuclear messiah' or something. :D But anyway, I just woke up not fully awake yet.
 
Ayelander said:
With how backwards his plans have been set, he can't afford to be charitable. You got money? You get luxury and comfort. If not? Fuck outta here. I like to hope that when he has his perfect little ecosystem set up he'll begin helping people outside the strip. He'd be very selective of course, but the majority of Freeside citizens are junkies and vagrants. I can see him using the Kings for this if they're still around after he seizes control of the Mojave. Those guys already run their little water tax shakedowns. Not like they're above putting money over lives.
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Fair enough. I def don't see the Kings as totally benevolent, despite what that smooth criminal of a leader they have says. But I also think that they'd stick with Freeside. My reasoning for this is that street gangs tend to have a connection to where they are (for example, East vs West Coast of the US shit). I think that a lot of Kings would be swayed by House's caps, but a lot would also stick where they were, continuing to keep the "peace" in Shithol-Freeside.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Fair enough. I def don't see the Kings as totally benevolent, despite what that smooth criminal of a leader they have says. But I also think that they'd stick with Freeside. My reasoning for this is that street gangs tend to have a connection to where they are (for example, East vs West Coast of the US shit). I think that a lot of Kings would be swayed by House's caps, but a lot would also stick where they were, continuing to keep the "peace" in Shithol-Freeside.
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Hell, I could even see the FoTA being easily manipulated by House if he dangled his tech above their heads for a while. Maybe he could use them to screen Freeside for prime stock.
 
Ayelander said:
Hell, I could even see the FoTA being easily manipulated by House if he dangled his tech above their heads for a while. Maybe he could use them to screen Freeside for prime stock.
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Honestly, I can see that. And it's scary. If only because House doing that would be a huge piece-of-shit move. House is definitely aware of how much the Followers need that tech to help people. And I understand that a trade agreement that would benefit both is Capitalism 101, but honestly the Followers are like a post-apoc nonprofit. Holding that shit over their head and telling them to jump and get it is making them an offer that they can't refuse; not just because of the tech itself, but because of WHY they want said tech. The Followers' morals wouldn't allow them to turn House's offer down, imo. And so they'd be stuck screening people for something they don't at all believe in in a trade agreement that they paradoxically see as necessary.

If anything, the situation calls certain assumptions about the Followers into question, most notably what they're willing to give up in order to help the needy; how much of their own ideals they want to sacrifice. In a way, it comes back to Caesar, a former follower; the Legion is the perfect antithesis to the FotA, but is also what they could easily become. It's their ideals taken to the absolute extreme; Sallow is so afraid of repeating the past that he does just that. And in becoming the polar opposite of the Followers, ironically pursues the exact same goal.
 
MutantScalper said:
6:14 am here in the north of Finland. Some work today, but from home office so no biggie.
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Damn. Early over there. Also, lucky muthafucka lol. I only have my American Government course but I might just not go so I can write my thesis for the class.
 
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