I Am Losing Faith in Humanity

Was it really necessary to quote that entire thing just to kiss Welsh's ass? It wouldn't be that difficult to tell what you're talking about.

In summary, I honestly do wnat to help people, and find something tangible to hold onto in this world. Yet, given the irrationality of humanity as a whole, it ends up being a love/hate relationship as I desire both to protect others with my entire being, even as I loathe them for the necessity.

Don't you think that sounds a little pretentious?

I'm thinking this is perhaps the biggest failing of those that perceive themselves to be intelligent. If you inherently loathe others, then of course you're going to have a hard time helping them. By assuming that you have an "intellect" where others don't, you're already placing yourself in a social position above a perceived commonality.

If you consider yourself greater than the common man, then you aren't going to want to help them.
 
Fine... fine I agree with your post as well Bradylama. I'm just oh so taken by the answeres.
 
I never felt the need to have faith in Humanity. That's one of the thing Christanity has going for it: no innate human goodness like Zoroastrianism.

I don't think one can ever hope for man to sort out all of his affairs to make an even noticeably better world. Just attempt to live the way God would want you too, and try to set an example.

God? Cruel? FB, you're an American. You live with the highest standard of living in the history of the world. You probably have a college education and a white collar job: most people in America do.
No offence FB, but I don't think many Americans have the grounds to call God cruel. Cruelty really exists only between other people.
 
John Uskglass said:
I never felt the need to have faith in Humanity. That's one of the thing Christanity has going for it: no innate human goodness like Zoroastrianism.

I don't think one can ever hope for man to sort out all of his affairs to make an even noticeably better world. Just attempt to live the way God would want you too, and try to set an example.

God? Cruel? FB, you're an American. You live with the highest standard of living in the history of the world. You probably have a college education and a white collar job: most people in America do.
No offence FB, but I don't think many Americans have the grounds to call God cruel. Cruelty really exists only between other people.


Maybe you don't "get it", CCR. I am angry not at how *I* am treated, but came to this conclusion after hours and days of thought. I am angry at how humanity has been created, in the spitting image of a bastard divinity that seems to delight in suffering, as we do ourselves. I am angry for the world, and for those who suffer, which maybe doesn't, or can't, register with your own sense of moral superiority. I prefer to stand with those who remain unavenged at a universe that doesn't give a damn, and would prefer to see humanity find happiness, not faith in a God not worthy of worship. I would prefer humanity, but for its own notion of desiring to be enslaved, to be free. Unfortunately, the majority of people do not seek this, and so what little recourse is there?
 
am not sure I agree with you CC- That Christ came down to deliver us from our sins, might recognize that we are flawed. That we have the ability to achieve a stage or grace, to worship as a community suggests that we are all the children of God.... if you want to go to the Christian ideal. I seriously doubt that most of us are capable of any long-term "unconditional love" that Christians consider divine or even to achieve a permanent sense of enlighenment. That doesn't mean we can't strive for it. And perhaps that's why, if you go with the Christian view, God sends down his only son to us.

That said, I remember Harlan Ellison’s story of the Deathbird, with its premise that maybe the serpent was the good guy, and that God is in insane dictator, and only at the end does man make peace.

Personally I have always had some questions- Book of Job, seems like a nasty test to pull on a man’s faith. And Judas was condemned to die by God? Those bits never sat well with me.

Fireblade- no one said this is easy. Fair enough, some folks might engage in this intellectual pursuit of ethics is difficult and often disappointing. But you didn't think it would be easy, did you. The reason why Maugham's book on an individual striving for enlightenment is called "the Razor's Edge" or why Christians use the "like a camel through the eye of needle"- suggests how difficult it is to pursue an ethical life.

Your sense of melancholia may have to do, as Bradylama sense, with an arrogant intellectualism (but then better an arrogant intellectualism than arrogantly stupidity?). Maybe the problem is arrogance. Or it could be an expectation of perfection for that which the world is not. My wife gets a bit of this from time to time.

You may want the world to fit your ideal. But you can't superimpose your vision of the world on what the world is. You can ask yourself the question "is this the best of all possible worlds" If you don't think so, maybe you have reason to be disappointed.

But that goes back to the question- are you responding to your circumstances or making changes in yourself?

Does everyone think about this stuff? Probably not. People are too busy, to concerned, have their lives to live. I don't think about this stuff as much as I used to- just to busy. People find habits, faiths, blueprints, whatever to make their lives more liveable. You can't blame for that. The right of people to live their lives as they see fit means that you may get disappointed (strangely that's the same basic rule that if you want to have a society where people can organize and speak or think freely, you have to live with the chance they may organize to put a bomb in your bus).

As for your own self-doubts about your motivation. The world is full of self-possessed and single minded leaders or would-be leaders who want to change the world. Some become extremists, others get defeated, some grow tired and fade away.

But ask yourself- are you better for having these doubts, fears, questions? Don't they put a check on your blind faith in a vision. Isn't the process of questioning not only your world but your own motivations also healthy and might prevent you from doing some stupid. Doubt, guilt, fears- are human emotions driven in by genetic change, perhaps to ensure our survival.

This reminds me of reading the Japanese documents about the high command and it's plans for war, when the Emperor says, essentially, "Wait, you're taking us to war and you're pretty sure we're going to lose? Are you all nuts?" And the rest of the staff ignores him because they are sure they are doing the right thing. What if the staff members had stepped back and said, "Wait this is going to lead to our own destruction. Maybe we need to reconsider this?"
 
Nihilism and anti-religious rhetoric goes nowhere faster then a train in Canada.

How *you* are treated? You *really* think you have it bad enough to spite your *creator*? Your ancestors raced across Hungary to give themselves and yourself a chance, for you to think your life is so terrible as to spite *God*?

Things are getting better FB. Totalitarianism and all totalitarian ideologies are on the run, the largest African governments and nations are among the fastest improving in the world, AIDS may be as bad as ever but you have thousands of people working on making it better with retrovirals and a possible cure, etc...

Sure, there is a lot of shit, like Darfur, but even a century ago no one cared about genocides in Africa or Asia, and some even defended them.

This is *not* because of some romantic notion of solidarity with the opressed or nihilism, but because of practical compassion towards the less fortunate.
 
Unfortunately, the majority of people do not seek this, and so what little recourse is there?

Suicide. Suicide is the answer.

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welsh said:
This reminds me of reading the Japanese documents about the high command and it's plans for war, when the Emperor says, essentially, "Wait, you're taking us to war and you're pretty sure we're going to lose? Are you all nuts?" And the rest of the staff ignores him because they are sure they are doing the right thing. What if the staff members had stepped back and said, "Wait this is going to lead to our own destruction. Maybe we need to reconsider this?"

That has always blown me away. That many knew the war would fail. Even after the bombs dropped they were still prepaid to carry on the war to kill as many enemy troops as possible.
 
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For obvious reasons.
You wouldn't believe how funny and predictable all this mojo pseudo-intellectual crapola is starting to sound after a couple of years. Jeez, I hope none of you guys is planning on becoming a shrink.
 
Don't people put effort into flame images anymore? It says Ebaumsworld in bigass letters, you hack.
 
Jawohl, Herr Sturmbannführer!

No, seriously: The world's problem is just that: Ignorance. Wise people, great philosophers and clever scientists already told humanity how to live in peace and harmony. People just don't know their teachings, or if they know they ignore it. 6 Billion human beings more or less have just to pull their head out of their ass and start to think. Humanity will learn its lesson someday. There is hope.
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By the way, Fireblade: If you ever lose your faith again: Turbonegro - Fuck the World and a cold beer, it really helps.
 
Alec, as i was reading this thread it kept reminding me of you. I distinctly remember you claiming you have lost faith in humanity. Then, i think, you got a girlfriend, stopped caring, and became the funniest poster on NMA. I was actually looking forward to a more detailed reply from you. Come on, help us see the light, or stop caring about the darkness, with your experiences (you are pretty old, you must have a lot :wink:).
 
alec said:
For obvious reasons.
You wouldn't believe how funny and predictable all this mojo pseudo-intellectual crapola is starting to sound after a couple of years. Jeez, I hope none of you guys is planning on becoming a shrink.

I'm sorry we couldn't talk about your favorite foot fetishes again or whatever. You know, important stuff.
 
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