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Not me. I don't recall the Frisians going over to Africa. The Dutch however... xDCheomesh said:
I enjoyed Oblivion way more than Fallout 3
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cause the people which made Daggerfall and Morrowind are not the same which are responsible for Oblivoin and Fallout 3.lmao said:
The "Bethesda" of the past is not the "Bethesda" we know today as behind many things now is Zenimax.
Dunno there is some article flying around about how the guy responsible for Daggerfall was more or less "kicked" out of buisness.
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
I haven't yet played Fallout 3, I did play Oblivion some time ago. I didn't complete it though, it got pretty repetitive pretty quick. The F3-gameplay vids that I have seen look painfully like the mind-numblingly boring and endless Oblivion runs that I had.
UnidentifiedFlyingTard
Vault Fossil
I refuse to play Oblivion, unless its given to me for free, I will not spend money of Bethesda Products anymore.
I'm going to make a long post about why I think Morrowind is better than Oblivion. You might want to overlook, as these points have most likely been pointed out many times. Anyway, here is a list:
1-In Morrowind, the atmosphere was a hundred times better: All the creatures you encountered were entirely new. The vegetation was unique. The harsh province had a much darker and enticing feel to it, which in my opinion is required for a game to be immersive. In Oblivion, Cyrodiil is a cookie cutter world, copied and pasted from modern mythology, which leads me to my next point.
2-Morrowind's lore and story was MUCH more thought out. For exemple, the thieve's guild in Morrowind had greedy opportunists, people seeking personal gain, assholes, betrayers, etc. In Oblivion, you have a bunch of goody good Robin Hood clones. The good-hearted thieves stole from the selfish rich people and protected the poor. The imperial legion was nothing but a bunch of evil lawmen who loved nothing more than to step on the lower classes. Blah blah blah. Many quests had you going left and right, bashing/intimidating/stealing from people all around for dishonest quest givers (Ajira in the mage's guild wanted you to ruin another member's research, Eidys Fire-Eye in the fighter's guild had you collecting protection money, etc). In Oblivion, schemers were eventually discovered and brought to justice. This is in no way logical.
3-Pretty much every gameplay element in Morrowind was better (Except for the Combat/Sneak system, I'll give it that). The higher number of skills allowed for better character development and just made more sense (Axe as blunt weapon? No Unarmored/Medium Armor? Only one blade skill? Come on Oblivion.) The bigger number of equipable parts allowed for more enchanting possibilities. The ability to enchant/make spells without having to do a bunch abysmal quests (and also losing the possibility of being a freelance mage) was a lot better. There are some changes in Oblivion that really made me wonder who the hell was allowed to make this happen.
4-Oblivion's graphics were prettier, of course, but they weren't better. The game's eye candy didn't compensate for poor imagination. In Morrowind, each and every single type of armor, from Iron to Daedric, had a more unique feel to it. The equipment is so bland in Oblivion that you stop giving a damn about what your character is wearing.
5-Why can't I wear clothes under my armor? Why does the Dark Brotherhood armor have to be one piece? Why can't I wear shoulders over a robe? Oblivion lacks in term of character customization.
6-In Morrowind, every type of character had a good reason to be played. Stolen items didn't have a magical aura around them that made them "hot" (which is, imo, a poor reason to make people join the crappy useless boring thieve's guild). In Oblivion, you can be a retarded axe-basher and do everything you can possibly do. I can't believe you can be the guy who runs the Mage's Guild, holds a high position in the Fighter's guild, speaks to the night mother and is the freaking Gray Fox.
7-Fast Travel. God damn it. Yes, I know it's optional, but it's no reason to remove mark&recall, Divine and Almvisi intervention, Silt Striders (Alright, maybe these only exist on Morrowind), Guild Transporters and Boats (the list could go on and on). Also, it makes horses a pretty useless game feature (which would otherwise have been awesome).
Anyway, I'm going to stop the nerd rage here before I pop a vein.
1-In Morrowind, the atmosphere was a hundred times better: All the creatures you encountered were entirely new. The vegetation was unique. The harsh province had a much darker and enticing feel to it, which in my opinion is required for a game to be immersive. In Oblivion, Cyrodiil is a cookie cutter world, copied and pasted from modern mythology, which leads me to my next point.
2-Morrowind's lore and story was MUCH more thought out. For exemple, the thieve's guild in Morrowind had greedy opportunists, people seeking personal gain, assholes, betrayers, etc. In Oblivion, you have a bunch of goody good Robin Hood clones. The good-hearted thieves stole from the selfish rich people and protected the poor. The imperial legion was nothing but a bunch of evil lawmen who loved nothing more than to step on the lower classes. Blah blah blah. Many quests had you going left and right, bashing/intimidating/stealing from people all around for dishonest quest givers (Ajira in the mage's guild wanted you to ruin another member's research, Eidys Fire-Eye in the fighter's guild had you collecting protection money, etc). In Oblivion, schemers were eventually discovered and brought to justice. This is in no way logical.
3-Pretty much every gameplay element in Morrowind was better (Except for the Combat/Sneak system, I'll give it that). The higher number of skills allowed for better character development and just made more sense (Axe as blunt weapon? No Unarmored/Medium Armor? Only one blade skill? Come on Oblivion.) The bigger number of equipable parts allowed for more enchanting possibilities. The ability to enchant/make spells without having to do a bunch abysmal quests (and also losing the possibility of being a freelance mage) was a lot better. There are some changes in Oblivion that really made me wonder who the hell was allowed to make this happen.
4-Oblivion's graphics were prettier, of course, but they weren't better. The game's eye candy didn't compensate for poor imagination. In Morrowind, each and every single type of armor, from Iron to Daedric, had a more unique feel to it. The equipment is so bland in Oblivion that you stop giving a damn about what your character is wearing.
5-Why can't I wear clothes under my armor? Why does the Dark Brotherhood armor have to be one piece? Why can't I wear shoulders over a robe? Oblivion lacks in term of character customization.
6-In Morrowind, every type of character had a good reason to be played. Stolen items didn't have a magical aura around them that made them "hot" (which is, imo, a poor reason to make people join the crappy useless boring thieve's guild). In Oblivion, you can be a retarded axe-basher and do everything you can possibly do. I can't believe you can be the guy who runs the Mage's Guild, holds a high position in the Fighter's guild, speaks to the night mother and is the freaking Gray Fox.
7-Fast Travel. God damn it. Yes, I know it's optional, but it's no reason to remove mark&recall, Divine and Almvisi intervention, Silt Striders (Alright, maybe these only exist on Morrowind), Guild Transporters and Boats (the list could go on and on). Also, it makes horses a pretty useless game feature (which would otherwise have been awesome).
Anyway, I'm going to stop the nerd rage here before I pop a vein.
@ Dakilleux:
1. I do agree that Original Cyrodiil (South American jungle with rice and rivers everywhere) would have been cooler then Tolkien-esque (a writer I really don't like) forests and beasties.
2. I don't know what happened to the schemers. I suppose a rash of moralfaggotry because the guy who did the Guilds left and he liked liars? I do like the Thieves' Guild and the Brotherhood. I thought the TG had very subtle hints as to who and what the Gray Fox is and what he wished to do. Also, the DB has you scheming to destroy the Sanctuary and to flush out the traitor.
3. I thought they weeded the skills that no one used out. No one liked Medium Armor as it was weak compared to Heavy and slow compared to Light and sometimes even weaker then Light armor sets. They did the same for Fallout 3. Did anyone really get gambling as a skill?
4. I thought the later sets were much better, but I'll give you this one.
5. Not really important to me , but oh well.
6. I think the aura stuff was added because after a while, you forgot what you had stolen and would later on get nabbed by a guard and lose a lot of stuff. I do agree with the enchanting and the fencing complaints.
7. Horses are useful for getting to locations you never visited before.
1. I do agree that Original Cyrodiil (South American jungle with rice and rivers everywhere) would have been cooler then Tolkien-esque (a writer I really don't like) forests and beasties.
2. I don't know what happened to the schemers. I suppose a rash of moralfaggotry because the guy who did the Guilds left and he liked liars? I do like the Thieves' Guild and the Brotherhood. I thought the TG had very subtle hints as to who and what the Gray Fox is and what he wished to do. Also, the DB has you scheming to destroy the Sanctuary and to flush out the traitor.
3. I thought they weeded the skills that no one used out. No one liked Medium Armor as it was weak compared to Heavy and slow compared to Light and sometimes even weaker then Light armor sets. They did the same for Fallout 3. Did anyone really get gambling as a skill?
4. I thought the later sets were much better, but I'll give you this one.
5. Not really important to me , but oh well.
6. I think the aura stuff was added because after a while, you forgot what you had stolen and would later on get nabbed by a guard and lose a lot of stuff. I do agree with the enchanting and the fencing complaints.
7. Horses are useful for getting to locations you never visited before.
You mean it was true to the "Lord of the Rings fantasies" the people at Bethesda have.Aphyosis said:
Oblivion pretty much screws over "TES Lore" as much as Fallout 3 does with Fallout 1/2.
You know Cyrodyl (or what ever the main lands name was ... ) was meant to be big jungle if I remember right. But since Lord of the Rings cliche fantasy settings sell better ...
TychoTheItinerant
First time out of the vault
The statement made by the thread title sounds like "I like roofing tar on my pancakes for breakfast more than I like used motor oil on my pancakes for breakfast."
Mods can make Oblivion into a tolerable action-game-with-RPG-elements. I've had little to no experience with Fallout 3 modding, but while I agree that the bastardization of the Fallout franchise stings like a backhand to the face I can see FO3 becoming marginally enjoyable with the right alterations.
As for lore violations, obviously Fallout 3's are more irksome to me than Oblivion's. I'm not entirely sure I ever really cared that much for TES' lore, as interesting as it was at times.
Mods can make Oblivion into a tolerable action-game-with-RPG-elements. I've had little to no experience with Fallout 3 modding, but while I agree that the bastardization of the Fallout franchise stings like a backhand to the face I can see FO3 becoming marginally enjoyable with the right alterations.
As for lore violations, obviously Fallout 3's are more irksome to me than Oblivion's. I'm not entirely sure I ever really cared that much for TES' lore, as interesting as it was at times.
thats seperates those from "fans" and "tourists".OakTable said:
The tourist likes the setting and thus only is there for the setting and fun. The "Fan" wants a bit more, like consistency or the setting to have some verisimilitude in relation with the past games
Does that mean those "fans" are crazy? Maybe. But actualy almost anyone has something thats interesting to him and he cares about more then others do. Maybe its your favourite band, movie or book or what ever. And here certain changes would either upset you or make you angry as it makes absolutely no sense.
Crni Vuk said:
Admittedly i haven't played Daggerfall or Arena, but i was under the impression it stuck to the style of combat and general idea of the TES Series.
Crni Vuk said:
I guess that explains why they did so well at fucking FO3. Practice makes perfect......
dunno I cant really comment on it if I am honest I only played Morrowind.
But from what I can say by reading "old" comments from people who made Daggerfall and Morrowind (not the same people!) and "old" players it seems both Morrowind and Oblivion are in many aspects very different. Questionable topics and themes are almost not present anymore, it seems the Elder Scrolls have bee in passt a setting for a pretty mature audience which is no surprise considering the age of it as when it was released the bigest part of players have been probably above their 20s and in some way working with with computers or enthusiast in general. In any way the preaasure for political correctness in games was a lot smaller compared to today where you have to do anyting that the head of lidly Jimys mom doesnt explode when she is looking over his shoulder while he is playing a game (violance is a GO, tits a NONO!).
Skills have been also tremendously cut down where in Daggerfall you had for example skills for language as without them you could not even read certain informations or a seperate skill for weapons like spears, staff and throwing weapons. Morrowind had already here a lot less (which people complained about for a long time), and Oblivoin did even in merging much of the weapons (axes blunt weapons now ?) and remove "medium armor" completely. Both Alchemy and magic have been simplified a lot to the point where magic is not more then using a rifle or rocket luncher in a simple action game, if Oblivions magic would be anything else then please explain it how using a "fireball" or many other spells in Oblivion is different from using a rocketluncher in Unreal (I am talking about the principle that a rocket is doing more/less dadmage is obvious!).
One has really not to be a genious to see that a lot of the complaining from "fans" is not just about a simple "change" or "innovation". Actualy what people complain about is the constant simplification in the Elder Scrolls. Not just in the skills but also in the setting itself.
of course that to those not familiar with the Elder Scrolls setting this is not a big thing is understandable. For the hell of it I can releate to what you guys say about the Star Trek setting and I dont see any offense to what they did with it over the time. But that doesnt mean that only cause I personaly dont care I would think its great cause I can understand why some of the people are complaining. Same is it with the Elder Scrolls setting. I can understand the points some people make and why they think Oblivion is a very bad game compared to the first ones cause what Bethesda sells us as "innovation" is in fact just a "simplification" for the better or the worse now? thats a personal oppinion I guess. And I really dont see a "better graphic" not as innovation thats a trend that has always been there and will continue. New visuals only are a improvement in my eyes if they also help the gameplay to improve like physics that really can make a difference if used correctly. But thats a entirely different point.
But from what I can say by reading "old" comments from people who made Daggerfall and Morrowind (not the same people!) and "old" players it seems both Morrowind and Oblivion are in many aspects very different. Questionable topics and themes are almost not present anymore, it seems the Elder Scrolls have bee in passt a setting for a pretty mature audience which is no surprise considering the age of it as when it was released the bigest part of players have been probably above their 20s and in some way working with with computers or enthusiast in general. In any way the preaasure for political correctness in games was a lot smaller compared to today where you have to do anyting that the head of lidly Jimys mom doesnt explode when she is looking over his shoulder while he is playing a game (violance is a GO, tits a NONO!).
Skills have been also tremendously cut down where in Daggerfall you had for example skills for language as without them you could not even read certain informations or a seperate skill for weapons like spears, staff and throwing weapons. Morrowind had already here a lot less (which people complained about for a long time), and Oblivoin did even in merging much of the weapons (axes blunt weapons now ?) and remove "medium armor" completely. Both Alchemy and magic have been simplified a lot to the point where magic is not more then using a rifle or rocket luncher in a simple action game, if Oblivions magic would be anything else then please explain it how using a "fireball" or many other spells in Oblivion is different from using a rocketluncher in Unreal (I am talking about the principle that a rocket is doing more/less dadmage is obvious!).
One has really not to be a genious to see that a lot of the complaining from "fans" is not just about a simple "change" or "innovation". Actualy what people complain about is the constant simplification in the Elder Scrolls. Not just in the skills but also in the setting itself.
of course that to those not familiar with the Elder Scrolls setting this is not a big thing is understandable. For the hell of it I can releate to what you guys say about the Star Trek setting and I dont see any offense to what they did with it over the time. But that doesnt mean that only cause I personaly dont care I would think its great cause I can understand why some of the people are complaining. Same is it with the Elder Scrolls setting. I can understand the points some people make and why they think Oblivion is a very bad game compared to the first ones cause what Bethesda sells us as "innovation" is in fact just a "simplification" for the better or the worse now? thats a personal oppinion I guess. And I really dont see a "better graphic" not as innovation thats a trend that has always been there and will continue. New visuals only are a improvement in my eyes if they also help the gameplay to improve like physics that really can make a difference if used correctly. But thats a entirely different point.
I don't know what is wrong with you guys!
Fo3 was totaly dope! It was an excelent mixture of a FPS and an RPG. Maybe I'm just not as bitter as some seem to have become, but it's rediculous how everyone seems to be bashing on Fo3... I mean, are the standars so high that I'm the only one that can appreciate something simple? Crni Vuk put it well in saying: "could you have enjoyed it without the mods?" I did/do....
And to answer the question at hand:
Nope! I liked Fo3 more than Oblivion... Both are awesome but I like Fo3 more than VI. I enjoy science fiction (especially the post apocolyptic sort) a bit more than fantasy is all...
Of course... I'm going to get alot of backlash from this but hey... what does a sociopathic philosopher know, right?
Fo3 was totaly dope! It was an excelent mixture of a FPS and an RPG. Maybe I'm just not as bitter as some seem to have become, but it's rediculous how everyone seems to be bashing on Fo3... I mean, are the standars so high that I'm the only one that can appreciate something simple? Crni Vuk put it well in saying: "could you have enjoyed it without the mods?" I did/do....
And to answer the question at hand:
Nope! I liked Fo3 more than Oblivion... Both are awesome but I like Fo3 more than VI. I enjoy science fiction (especially the post apocolyptic sort) a bit more than fantasy is all...
Of course... I'm going to get alot of backlash from this but hey... what does a sociopathic philosopher know, right?
they can not ?
O.K.
Then why dont we do a Lord of the Rings 4 but with this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39eoqDdD_hY[/youtube]
also the sequel 300! x 2 = 600!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EHOIz6WV4Y[/youtube]
O.K.
Then why dont we do a Lord of the Rings 4 but with this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39eoqDdD_hY[/youtube]
also the sequel 300! x 2 = 600!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EHOIz6WV4Y[/youtube]