I enjoyed Oblivion way more than Fallout 3
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Necropolis
First time out of the vault
sydney_roo said:
I have presented decent arguements. You guys just have double standards for everything.
"Shooting people in the head several times without them dying makes sense because it's Fallout 1 and 2. It's a disgrace to humanity if it's in Fail/Flop/Flatout 3!"
"Failout 3 is so linear, I mean c'mon you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, and the quests allow multiple ways of completing them! In Fallout 1 the whole game revolved around going from one town to the next looking for a water chip! The story was so much better and open!"
And stop insulting me for fucks sake. I haven't said a single bad thing against anyone here, yet all you assholes have to act like I just insulted your girlfriends (FO 1+2?). No wonder the whole world laughs at you guys.
These days I try to avoid this kind of melodrama but I had to respond on this one.
You apparently are under the impression that we actually care what the majority of the world thinks of us.
If you stop this:
and this:
then you can perhaps discuss the game and get along.
Reconite said:
and this:
Necropolis said:
then you can perhaps discuss the game and get along.
Necropolis said:
It depends on how you see it and how you want to approach it. I told you already that the mechanics in Fallout 1 / 2 have their roots in the PnP system. To complain here about head shoots not killing always people is like complaining in Baldurs Gate your sword isnt killing people even when you see it hit. You have a wide range of numbers, calculations and criticals going in the background to represent a "role playing experience". Its not you who play the character you "guide" your character trough the world which is a big difference to the way how Bethesda is designing their games as you are supposed to "be" the Vault Dveller in their game. What ever if the one approach is better then the other is pure taste. Fact is that Fallout 3 is a mix between Oblivion's and Fallout's mechanics with a stronger focus for Oblivions system. And its also a fact that Fallout 3 has compared to Fallout 1 a lot more simplified mechanics. In my eyes for the worse. You have very simple forms of damage and armor which lead to many of the issues you encounter in the game like bandits killing people in power armor with a knive, or others survive 30 headshoots when your gun is crap.Necropolis said:
We are probably both biased, you toward Fablivion and my self for Fallout 1. I like Tourn Based and I like PnP games. Or at least games that have some roots in PnP. I see what the developers want to achieve when they choose such a mechanic and I see what developers want to achieve when they use FPS system for a game like Doom or Unreal and I love all of those games.
Issue is just that when you make a game with First Person and such heavy focus on visuals you have to get closer to the details which was not needed in F1 or F2. You hit a person in the head but he didnt died? Well maybe it was just a grazing shot, with the way how Fallout 3 works you dont have this room for interpretation.
Fallout 1 and 2 have been in that way "open" that you could close your self out from certain options regarding the answer you gave or what you did. The way how you play with your character in the world had a meaning. In Fallout 3 the world is open in a way that you can "larp" the role you play. It has no effect on the game if you pretend to be either a mercenary, crazy killer or what ever. The world doesnt notice it. In Fallout 1 runing around killing everyone will definetly have a long lasting effect that cant be dismissed after 3 days.Necropolis said:
Its a comunity with deep love for Fallout 1. What did you expected when you came in here anyway? Obviously talking about the whole topic is like runing trough a minefield here. Sorry to burst your buble. But thats how it is. You will not have a that great time bashing Fallout 3 on the Bethesda forums either. Why? Its their playground. And that for a reason. Same with any other thing. I mean I dont move over to the Star Trek forum explaining people why Star Wars owns the Star Trek franchise for "this" and "that" reason and not expecting the one or other harsh answer.Necropolis said:
Necropolis
First time out of the vault
The heck?? Is it just me or do the threads often get the last few posts/pages cut off them? Now it's happened to this one.
Another thing that makes Fallout 3 better than Oblivion, rendering distance. It's an issue at least on the 360. Trying to play a bow user in Oblivion or use range of any kind is almost obsolete because of the fact that enemies don't appear until they're like 20 ft in front of you. I'm always watching things vanish/magically appear in the distance.
In FO you can see farther than you can snipe sometimes, and seeing a enemy appear out of nowhere is very rare. And the framerate seems to be smoother on FO when you compare the two, even on people who are using the same computer to play both games.
Another thing that makes Fallout 3 better than Oblivion, rendering distance. It's an issue at least on the 360. Trying to play a bow user in Oblivion or use range of any kind is almost obsolete because of the fact that enemies don't appear until they're like 20 ft in front of you. I'm always watching things vanish/magically appear in the distance.
In FO you can see farther than you can snipe sometimes, and seeing a enemy appear out of nowhere is very rare. And the framerate seems to be smoother on FO when you compare the two, even on people who are using the same computer to play both games.
I installed Oblivion too see if I will enjoy it more then F3. I packed it with best mods out there (as i compare it with my modded F3).
In some way Oblivion is more enjoyable. It somehow feels more "finished" game then F3. Still Oblivion was considered as beta when it came out. That also says something.
The one thing that makes Ob > F3 is the fact it as really big world, lots of quests, factions that can be joined,etc.
When i played Ob, i realized that F3 REALLY is lacking any big settlement and things to do (by things to do i mean QUESTS).
For me personally the Oblivion wins with F3 in terms of world size and quests number. The rest goes on F3 account.
Concluding F3>Oblivion (moded versions) and F3>>Oblivion (unmoded ones).
omg i just realized i do enjoy Bethesda games....
In some way Oblivion is more enjoyable. It somehow feels more "finished" game then F3. Still Oblivion was considered as beta when it came out. That also says something.
The one thing that makes Ob > F3 is the fact it as really big world, lots of quests, factions that can be joined,etc.
When i played Ob, i realized that F3 REALLY is lacking any big settlement and things to do (by things to do i mean QUESTS).
For me personally the Oblivion wins with F3 in terms of world size and quests number. The rest goes on F3 account.
Concluding F3>Oblivion (moded versions) and F3>>Oblivion (unmoded ones).
omg i just realized i do enjoy Bethesda games....
Necropolis
First time out of the vault
Hauptmann said:I installed Oblivion too see if I will enjoy it more then F3. I packed it with best mods out there (as i compare it with my modded F3).
In some way Oblivion is more enjoyable. It somehow feels more "finished" game then F3. Still Oblivion was considered as beta when it came out. That also says something.
The one thing that makes Ob > F3 is the fact it as really big world, lots of quests, factions that can be joined,etc.
When i played Ob, i realized that F3 REALLY is lacking any big settlement and things to do (by things to do i mean QUESTS).
For me personally the Oblivion wins with F3 in terms of world size and quests number. The rest goes on F3 account.
Concluding F3>Oblivion (moded versions) and F3>>Oblivion (unmoded ones).
Indeed. When I bought the Obliv. GOTY Edition (had never played Obliv. b4) after playing F3, I appreciated the abundant quests and the world just feeling more alive. When you add up the number of towns/settlements in F3 you almost run out of fingers to count on, yet they're all so small and desolate that it can take days to remember them and add them to the list. In fact my little "time wasting" character I just made on Oblivion has been stealing way more time out of my day than Fallout has. That's the cool thing about the two games; they complement each other in a way. When you get tired of one, go play the other for a while. Doing that they both stay pretty fun.
And what's the inside joke Reconite? I swear it's been happening. I check and triple check. It's weird.
Necropolis said:
We don't delete posts, but useless posts can be split off and put in the Vats. (Check your post history if you want to see what happened to anything in particular.) Hint for this one: when I asked for civility it wasn't an invitation for you to go on with insulting people.
Necropolis
First time out of the vault
Per said:
Oh yeah, I know. I was being stubborn. I just noticed that my posts weren't the only ones being deleted, wasn't expecting that.
NoiseMarine
First time out of the vault
I love how everyone likes to complain how Fallout 3 was such a terrible game... Of course it had it's flaws, all games do. But it was pretty damn solid in my opinion.
Positives: Things it did better
-The Real Time is preferable to TB
Negatives: Primarily small things
-Power Armor looks pretty lame... Doesn't increase size.
-Not quite as many choices
-Smaller
-Less genuinely interesting quests
All in all I loved Fo3, amazing game amazing team. I hope they polish out a lot of the bugs and downsides with New Vegas though.
Positives: Things it did better
-The Real Time is preferable to TB
Negatives: Primarily small things
-Power Armor looks pretty lame... Doesn't increase size.
-Not quite as many choices
-Smaller
-Less genuinely interesting quests
All in all I loved Fo3, amazing game amazing team. I hope they polish out a lot of the bugs and downsides with New Vegas though.
Ali Legend
First time out of the vault
Ogami_Itto said:
Yeah but Bethesda compensated by putting HUGE FUCKING ARROWS SHOWING YOU WHERE TO GO!!!
I know it was just a typo so fixed that for yeah, no need to say thanks :3 !NoiseMarine said:
Special_Ghoul
First time out of the vault
Ogami_Itto said:
Fallout 3 is the best game ever made way better than any other I do not know how you came to that conclusion.. are you a hubologist?
I enjoyed Oblivion more than Fallout 3. It is a pretty decent hack and slash after killing off the level scaling. The most disappointing things about it (level scaling and boring quests) could be fixed by just going on TESNexus and downloading a few mods.
The main problems with Fallout 3 are the really mediocre FPS combat and the writing. While it's really easy to fix the combat, you can't fix the really bad writing. BethSoft really needs better writers.
The main problems with Fallout 3 are the really mediocre FPS combat and the writing. While it's really easy to fix the combat, you can't fix the really bad writing. BethSoft really needs better writers.