I think Nuka World and Far Harbor were quite good.

SarcasticGoodGuy said:
You've probably never played F2. Hubologists have no reason to be in Nuka World. And the abominations you know as feral ghouls should just be called radiation zombies.

And "raider brides"? Is this some revolutionary sex mod I haven't heard of yet? unlikely ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Hubologists are Scientologists. They can be all across the country with very little justification needed, unlike the Enclave which requires Vertibirds to justify. As for the Feral Ghouls, I don't mind the fact they've started to go insane over the past 200 years.

Then again, I remember the original 2 Fallouts never took themselves too seriously and that's why they were better than Wasteland which didn't take itself that seriously either.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
Define for a long time for me please, since Fallout 4 was released? that isn't a long time.
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Fallout 3. Fallout 1 and 2 let you join the gangs. Albeit, I admit I felt awful siding with the Bishops but I wanted to be with both women and they felt like legitimate mobsters.

(I was eighteen)

The 'raider' of Nuka world aren't really raiders. They're water down generic procedural generated, radio voiced losers. They are the equal opposite of Preston. You were handed a re-skinning of the minute men and told they were bad and you chewed on that soggy lump of turd and love it.
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Painfully underdeveloped as they may be, I enjoyed all three factions and their color. I really wish I'd gotten a chance to get each gang boss as a companion (maybe a romance option). I think the Blacks were the most interesting followed by the Disciples. How did an all-female group of cannibal torturers emerge?

I love the desert feel in a Fallout game too, that's why I like Fallout 1, 2 and NV. I do not like shooting gallery games within shooting gallery games that you can take a brake from in game to play a pip-boy shooting gallery game, or a carnival shooting gallery game. No thanks, I like story.
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Fallout 3, NV, and Fallout 4 are 1st person shooter RPGs. Which means they are a different genre from the original game. I don't knock Tactics for not being F1 and F2. It's a spin-off series, IMHO. Of course, I hate tactical combat and remember the long horrible slog through the bottom of the freighter in San Fransisco.

How many hours do you have in Fallout 4?
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Not that many. About 100. It doesn't have quite the same replay value as its two immediate predecessors.
 
CT Phipps said:
Hubologists are Scientologists. They can be all across the country with very little justification needed, unlike the Enclave which requires Vertibirds to justify. As for the Feral Ghouls, I don't mind the fact they've started to go insane over the past 200 years.

Then again, I remember the original 2 Fallouts never took themselves too seriously and that's why they were better than Wasteland which didn't take itself that seriously either.
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No they're not scientologists, they're a mockery of scientology. Why would they go all the way to Massachusetts for some theme park ride that doesn't work with 7 batteries, works with 8, and kills everyone inside with 9. Justify that.

Plus feral ghouls do go insane in the earlier Fallouts. Is there any reason why 200+ year old irradiated bodies can leap like crazy and sprint?

If Nuka World was as it is now, but Bethesda included some self aware humour and funny writing a la OWB, it could've been decent.
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
No they're not scientologists, they're a mockery of scientology. Why would they go all the way to Massachusetts for some theme park ride that doesn't work with 7 batteries, works with 8, and kills everyone inside with 9. Justify that.
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Maybe they're from Massachusetts? My point was they don't have to have walked the entirety of the United States to get to Nuka World. Also, if you DON'T murder them then the Prophet proceeds to say that it'll be months or years until they can actually make the journey. The same if you join the religion. It's a scam and she's just dragging her cultists along.

Plus feral ghouls do go insane in the earlier Fallouts. Is there any reason why 200+ year old irradiated bodies can leap like crazy and sprint?
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Radiation. :)

If Nuka World was as it is now, but Bethesda included some self aware humour and funny writing a la OWB, it could've been decent.
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Oh, I totally think Nuka World is unfinished. It needed "A Fistful of Caps" as a mission where you join the Raiders to take them down from the inside versus murdering everyone.

Still, I go far for Disneyland.
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
WHY?! FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH WHY?!
You just admitted they were painfully underdeveloped! Is it the cute teddy bear armour? I think it is. I think that's why you like them. Petey.
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They're colorful and fun to interact with for the short time you're with them. But yes, I can appreciate the DLC for how much fun I had playing it while also knowing it could be improved.

It's a rare faction which couldn't use more backstory and choice.

Still, I'll give it 10 out of 10 for Nuka World being the happies place on Earth.

I think it's 190% of the fun of the main game, which I enjoyed but not as much as its predecessors.
 
CT Phipps said:
Not that many. About 100. It doesn't have quite the same replay value as its two immediate predecessors.
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I'll read your comments again when you stop being a filthy casual. Don't make me laugh. Every one of you casuals have only put a bullshit amount of time into that garbage game and give it praise. Play it for 500-1000 hours, then report. Right now, your opinion is not qualified to have merit.
 
CT Phipps said:
Oh, I totally think Nuka World is unfinished. It needed "A Fistful of Caps" as a mission where you join the Raiders to take them down from the inside versus murdering everyone.
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Ignoring your other points (they're as far fetched as Petey's jet theory), but Nuka Wolrd needed the option you're describing.
I played it and read the terminals. Pack members were not allowed to harm their own- find a dead member and incite a riot between the Pack. The country girl in the Disciples had a cult following and was known to be more brutal than Symmetra (similar VA, forgot actual name)- persuade her to revolt. Could've worked. [slight grin]
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Ignoring your other points (they're as far fetched as Petey's jet theory), but Nuka Wolrd needed the option you're describing.
I played it and read the terminals. Pack members were not allowed to harm their own- find a dead member and incite a riot between the Pack. The country girl in the Disciples had a cult following and was known to be more brutal than Symmetra (similar VA, forgot actual name)- persuade her to revolt. Could've worked. [slight grin]
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Pretty much exactly. "Power Play" only occurs after you set up Raider settlements but if you had it happen before those (or made them post-game optional content) then you have eliminated 1/3rd of the Raiders and could potentially justify a good roleplay.

As is, "Open Season" just leaves you with an empty park and little content.

My ideal Nuka World would have had the Raider Settlements post-main quest content and the option of a Charisma check to force the Raiders to either disband, free the slaves, or just stick with Nuka World.

What I wanted from Nuka World but DIDN'T get was pretty much Gage's story, a story about how Raiders are human beings even if they are murderous scum created by the Wasteland. More Great Khans and less Fiends. Which, again, Gage is, but doesn't apply to the other gang leaders.

Albeit, I love the Operators.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
I'll read your comments again when you stop being a filthy casual. Don't make me laugh. Every one of you casuals have only put a bullshit amount of time into that garbage game and give it praise. Play it for 500-1000 hours, then report. Right now, your opinion is not qualified to have merit.
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I'll play it 500 hours if Bethesda makes a game worth playing 500 like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. There's just one main plot and no choice in Fallout 4.

Still 100 hours of fun isn't bad.

I got 120 into Dragon Age Inquisition before I realized "Why am I playing this game? It's shit."

Still, I give 10 out of 10 for anything over 40 hours of fun gameplay as that's well worth 60 bucks.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/fallout-4-review-by-dirtyoldshoe.205367/
Make an actual review then because 10/10 sounds like you're saying the game is perfect, when you say the game isn't perfect. I gave Fallout 4 a 2/10 based on a full review. If your only criteria is (+40 hours) + (x amount of fun) = 10 then your opinion really does have no merit.
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That's ridiculous. 10 out of 10 isn't a sliding scale, it's a measure of enjoyment. No game is perfect.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
There is one other reason why I like being a member of NMA. And I've just initiated it after this post. Tootles!
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I don't know if that means you've blocked me but I'm amusingly working on a lengthy post of praise for your review.

But if so? Well, that sucks.
 
CT Phipps said:
suffers from being good writing but nothing really COOL or spectacle like
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:facepalm:
Okay, now I can't ever take your opinion seriously again. If you honestly need spectacle, then my diagnosis of you is this:

You are what is wrong with gaming today where spectacle and 'kewl' has to be prioritized over substance and writing. A game does not need to have spectacle to be great, it needs substance and creativity. Mindless fun is good and all but I know gaming as an interactive medium can do more than that.

Besides the writing of Far Harbor is merely acceptable (and with the mod theft allegations of Autumn Leaves in mind, it may not be entirely original of Bethesda).
 
CerberusGate said:
:facepalm:
Okay, now I can't ever take your opinion seriously again. If you honestly need spectacle, then my diagnosis of you is this
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Why hate on spectacle? Why hate on fun?

I just have no respect for people who can't enjoy games.

They'd rather rip on them than admit they like shooting Raiders and Super Mutants.

Tsk tsk tsk.

:)

ADMIT IT! LIBERTY PRIME IS COOL!
 
CT Phipps said:
Why hate on spectacle? Why hate on fun?

I just have no respect for people who can't enjoy games.

They'd rather rip on them than admit they like shooting Raiders and Super Mutants.
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Because I'm one of those who believes that gaming is an art form that can tell stories and explore ideas in a medium that differs from games. So excuse my lack of desire to enjoy games because I want more from games than mindless stupid fun. I can actually enjoy mindless fun but when there is an oversaturation of it, the fun is gone.

Based on your reply to me, you clearly have no respect for the medium, which labels you as the lowest common denominator of gaming.
 
CT Phipps said:
Why hate on spectacle? Why hate on fun?

I just have no respect for people who can't enjoy games.

They'd rather rip on them than admit they like shooting Raiders and Super Mutants.

Tsk tsk tsk.

:)

ADMIT IT! LIBERTY PRIME IS COOL!
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>wanting your RPGs to be intelligent and not lowest common denomenator garbage means you hate fun
I knew you were an idiot but come on.
 
CerberusGate said:
Because I'm one of those who believes that gaming is an art form that can tell stories and explore ideas in a medium that differs from games. So excuse my lack of desire to enjoy games because I want more from games than mindless stupid fun. I can actually enjoy mindless fun but when there is an oversaturation of it, the fun is gone.

Based on your reply to me, you clearly have no respect for the medium, which labels you as the lowest common denominator of gaming.
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I write novels for a living, enough that I live off the money. My first sold about 20,000 copies. These are about subjects considered to be beneath art form like superheroes and post-apocalypse stories. I write essays about the moral ambiguity, artistry of gaming, and the importance of it being treated seriously as an artform.

Basically, I considered spectacle and fun an important part of what makes the work art.

Art evokes emotion in the reviewer. Fallout 3 became art showing us the Capital Wasteland and the horrible effects of nuclear war. But it was fun because of the gameplay and to deny that is to deny part of the art. Shakespeare was a comedian, romances, and loved bloody gory spectacle for the masses which made him someone not too respected.

Enjoyable does not mean less artistic.

Then again, I worked in academia and know those who can't appreciate Tolkien because he's not "literature" do not deserve to have their opinions respected.
 
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