I wonder just how badly oppressive the Pre-War world was?

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Bloodway said:
Well I thought the Great War was apart of squashing rebellions with Nukes and later they (the Enclave) came up to finish the job which was essentially the plot of Fallout 2.
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Great war was the natural climax of the Sino-American war, where neither side could back down but were stuck in a stalemate. Both the US and Chinese probably (headcanon, bear with me) realized that they could not continue the war due to growing dissent and fighting back home.
 
Bloodway said:
Well I thought the Great War was apart of squashing rebellions with Nukes and later they (the Enclave) came up to finish the job which was essentially the plot of Fallout 2.
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No, it's never really revealed who, how and why the nukes got launched and I'd prefer they keep it that way.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Great war was the natural climax of the Sino-American war, where neither side could back down but were stuck in a stalemate. Both the US and Chinese probably (headcanon, bear with me) realized that they could not continue the war due to growing dissent and fighting back home.
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Which was why the Great War was launched as a way to utterly destroy their dissent to prevent any further revolutions from happening.

I think there was a reason why the Enclave tried to kill everyone in Fallout 2 as if they tried to finished where they started.
 
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Bloodway said:
Which was why the Great War was launched as a way to utterly destroy their dissent to prevent any further revolutions from happening.

I think there was a reason why the Enclave tried to kill everyone in Fallout 2 as if they tried to finished where they started.
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That doesn't make any sense though... why destroy those who would destroy America by destroying America. I prefer either it's a mystery, or that the Chinese and US had no choice and resorted to nukes because they both couldn't survive with the war continuing.
 
The Enclave and their plans were bred out of knowing the inevitability of a nuclear holocaustoyvey happening eventually, not them planning on causing one.
 
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I'm horrified to say I agree with Vergil.

The Chinese launched their nukes while the Enclave was prepared for nuclear eventuality.
 
CT Phipps said:
The Chinese launched their nukes
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Vergil said:
No, it's never really revealed who, how and why the nukes got launched and I'd prefer they keep it that way.
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CT Phipps said:
Vergil....have you actually played Fallout 2?

Is this projecting?

What's this bullshit about a mystery?

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I'm sure the President of the Enclave is giving very unbiased and reliable information as he tries to justify him and his 2D Cobra Commander-tier faction's plans. His words even directly contradict the FALLOUT BIBLE.
The Fucking Fallout Bible said:
'2077 (October 23) Great War: Bombs are launched; who struck first is unknown... and it is not
even known if the bombs came from China or America.
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Vergil said:
I'm sure the President of the Enclave is giving very unbiased and reliable information. His words directly contradict the FALLOUT BIBLE.
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I'd like a citation if you don't mind.

The games are the highest tier of canonicity and everything else he says is true.
 
CT Phipps said:
I'd like a citation if you don't mind.
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Literally right there in the post. (and Dr Fallout posted it too so this is the third time you're missing this apparently.)
The Fucking Fallout Bible (Again) said:
'2077 (October 23) Great War: Bombs are launched; who struck first is unknown... and it is not
even known if the bombs came from China or America.
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CT Phipps said:
The games are the highest tier of canonicity and everything else he says is true.
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Yet none of the games support your theories on pre-war America (or that the original games and the new games are separate continuities) yet you've just spent 4 pages defending that. Also no, I would think the Fallout Bible holds some pretty good weight.
 
Vergil said:
Yet none of the games support your theories on pre-war America (or that the original games and the new games are separate continuities) yet you've just spent 4 pages defending that. Also no, I would think the Fallout Bible holds some pretty good weight.
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Hey, I was persuaded. They were right about that.
 
CT Phipps said:
"It's in the Fallout Bible."

Okay, sure.

I still think the games trump that. You say otherwise.

No dispute there.
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No, even by your own logic that's wrong. The games don't explicitly say that, one character who has multiple reasons to lie and isn't trustworthy at all says that AND combined with the fact that it blatantly contradicts the Fallout Bible (which I see you, like bethesda, are willing to just ignore when it doesn't suite you) there is a dispute. You're saying that China 100% dropped the bombs despite the evidence being incredibly flimsy at best and absolutely laughable at worst.
 
CT Phipps said:
"It's in the Fallout Bible."

Okay, sure.

I still think the games trump that. You say otherwise.

No dispute there.
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Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but the Fallout Bible was made to address lore inconsistencies and errors made/said in the games, specially Fallout 2.
It is an entire giant errata for the first Fallout games. So I would say that it trumps the games because that was it's purpose.

Although now that Bethesda owns the Fallout IP I think they said it wasn't canon anymore. I really wish Bethesda would make their own Fallout Bible and answer for all or at least the most obvious inconsistencies if their Fallout universe mess.
 
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