Impressions thread for positive impressions
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There you go. "That extensive and complex."
Fallout 3 comes up short in every way quant, and you want to know the ways it comes up short, compared to the other two?
First of all, the argument over the ghouls is a simple one. Take, for example, Harold's face;
I tried to find a screenshot of Gob, but couldn't, but since you have the game, why don't you fire it up and go to Moriarty's and stand next to him. Now that you are next to him, look at him, and then look at Harold. Do you notice a difference? I did. Gob is remarkably fleshy for a ghoul.
How about Super Mutants?
We all know that screenshot, we all saw it, and either cringed, or, perhaps like you quant, got all excited to fight orcs in a post apocalyptic world. Now let's look at a face that we all know;
There's personality there. Uniqueness, even. There's more to him than just being big and dangerous and bad, isn't there? There's something else.
The laziness goes beyond character design, which, let's face it, is really weak. Even the human NPC's, and the player design, is horrible. My 19 year old character who I couldn't pick an age for anyway, still looks like he's 30. He grew up in a vault for chrissakes, why does he look so old already?
Dialogue, I know it's been beaten to death, but it was patent laziness.
SPECIAL was done with a lazy sweep. In truth, it works exactly how the stat system in Oblivion did, just with smaller numbers rather than ones that can get into the hundreds. In fact, the entire game is really just an adapted version of Oblivion dressed up to come off as something better or more unique.
The bugs and glitches in the game. It freezes all the time, I hate that. I got stuck between to train cars, why? That shouldn't be able to happen, that's what game testers are for, they test that shit and make sure that I don't get stuck between two cars and have to start from my last save.
Lack of descriptions for things. It adds depth, you can't just leave things to physical appearances only. Yes, pretty graphics, oohh, so nice, but they do dick to tell a story. Why is this motorcycle sitting here, looking so pretty? Is there some story behind it? Why wont it run? I want answers damnit.
That leads into the next point. Why do I get messages telling me I can't do something right now, with no reason as to why given? If there's a reason, wonderful, but tell me instead of just leaving it like it is.
quant, if this game is good enough for you, wonderful. I love Fallout dearly though, I think it's a wonderful series that introduced me into a great genre. I may be a 'fanboi' or whatever, but I don't care. I am a consumer, and if I am going to pay money for something, then I should have the right to complain about it if it's no good. It didn't live up to the hype, but more than that, even if you ignore the fact that it's a pisspoor sequel, as a game, standing on it's own, it does a shit job of being good. If they had tested it more, if they had cleaned up the glitches, if they had eliminated some of the graphical issues, if they had fleshed it out more, then maybe, just maybe, I might see this game as a, maybe not worthy sequel, but worthy video game on it's own. Instead it's just a pile of putrid shit that the masses eat up like thousand dollar caviar.
It may have cost a thousand dollars, but it still tasted like ass.
Fallout 3 comes up short in every way quant, and you want to know the ways it comes up short, compared to the other two?
First of all, the argument over the ghouls is a simple one. Take, for example, Harold's face;
I tried to find a screenshot of Gob, but couldn't, but since you have the game, why don't you fire it up and go to Moriarty's and stand next to him. Now that you are next to him, look at him, and then look at Harold. Do you notice a difference? I did. Gob is remarkably fleshy for a ghoul.
How about Super Mutants?
We all know that screenshot, we all saw it, and either cringed, or, perhaps like you quant, got all excited to fight orcs in a post apocalyptic world. Now let's look at a face that we all know;
There's personality there. Uniqueness, even. There's more to him than just being big and dangerous and bad, isn't there? There's something else.
The laziness goes beyond character design, which, let's face it, is really weak. Even the human NPC's, and the player design, is horrible. My 19 year old character who I couldn't pick an age for anyway, still looks like he's 30. He grew up in a vault for chrissakes, why does he look so old already?
Dialogue, I know it's been beaten to death, but it was patent laziness.
SPECIAL was done with a lazy sweep. In truth, it works exactly how the stat system in Oblivion did, just with smaller numbers rather than ones that can get into the hundreds. In fact, the entire game is really just an adapted version of Oblivion dressed up to come off as something better or more unique.
The bugs and glitches in the game. It freezes all the time, I hate that. I got stuck between to train cars, why? That shouldn't be able to happen, that's what game testers are for, they test that shit and make sure that I don't get stuck between two cars and have to start from my last save.
Lack of descriptions for things. It adds depth, you can't just leave things to physical appearances only. Yes, pretty graphics, oohh, so nice, but they do dick to tell a story. Why is this motorcycle sitting here, looking so pretty? Is there some story behind it? Why wont it run? I want answers damnit.
That leads into the next point. Why do I get messages telling me I can't do something right now, with no reason as to why given? If there's a reason, wonderful, but tell me instead of just leaving it like it is.
quant, if this game is good enough for you, wonderful. I love Fallout dearly though, I think it's a wonderful series that introduced me into a great genre. I may be a 'fanboi' or whatever, but I don't care. I am a consumer, and if I am going to pay money for something, then I should have the right to complain about it if it's no good. It didn't live up to the hype, but more than that, even if you ignore the fact that it's a pisspoor sequel, as a game, standing on it's own, it does a shit job of being good. If they had tested it more, if they had cleaned up the glitches, if they had eliminated some of the graphical issues, if they had fleshed it out more, then maybe, just maybe, I might see this game as a, maybe not worthy sequel, but worthy video game on it's own. Instead it's just a pile of putrid shit that the masses eat up like thousand dollar caviar.
It may have cost a thousand dollars, but it still tasted like ass.
quant said:
You're saying the graphics don't bother you because they're ultimately not that important? Great. Go say that to the people who are constantly badgering us that dialogue had to be scaled back and dumbed down because it must now be fully voice-acted, and that the game had to be in first person because no one nowadays will accept oogely 4-pixel representations of anything. Then when you reach some kind of agreement about what we're doing wrong here, come back and we'll talk.
Roflcore said:
Then my friend, it is probably time to switch to books entirely.
If you think your mind needs more, your wrong. As a fo-fan you should easily be able to adapt, no?
Where did we come from, I ask, and I ask YOU, Roflcore? Do you remember the first game you've played? Mine were those dirty, tiny LCD games with nearly static graphics, followed by Game&Watch. Did you ever experience the feeling of the 'too much' recently? I mean, I am, better have been, THE RPG BITCH of the universe. I played them all...one of the first one was actually a game called 'The Dark Dimension' on my SX64, got it from a friend.
When I was deep into the game (think of Ultima graphics, nearly identical), I noticed a secret lair, to be found by crossing some hills. When I reached the entrance the game asked to insert Disk 2...my friend didn't provide a 2 disk and when I asked him, where he had put it, he told me he has formatted it due to the fact the manual had said, a blank disk would accompany the game for saving purposes.
He was wrong...it was pre-internet...and I had been in this game douzens of hours already.
Quintessence?
No idea...at least I provided an example out of the gaming world, WORTHY to be upset about...
quant said:
What?
Our minds don't need more? Oh, sure, we can just sit there and numb ourselves by playing a game with no point for hours on end like you do, grinding our IQ's into, heh 'oblivion.' What is the point of that? Yes, we need more damnit, a video game, no, an RPG is meant to HAVE A STORY THAT MAKES SOME FUCKING SENSE AND IS ENJOYABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. It's pretty fucking sad when I can list at least five standard SHOOTERS that have better storylines than Fallout 3 does, when Fallout 3 continues to claim it has "RPG at it's core." The storyline is EVERYTHING. What other point is there? Pretty graphics don't mean a damn to me and they shouldn't mean anything to anyone else. This is what happens in the market, people accept drivel that developers put out simply because "it's the way the times are now. It's the only way to market a game." NO. It becomes the only way to market a game because CONSUMERS accept it as so. Consumers like you, quant, who say "well, it's dumbed down, yeah, but I will adapt to it. It's okay. Look at the pretty blown out building, ooooh, aaaaah."
It's only crap because people don't say anything, and companies like Bethshit think they can get away with it over and over and over and over again.
First game on PC was Age of Empires 1 or Perry Rhodan - Operation Eastside, but really can't tell. First console game? Some stuff on commodore or so, but never got me hooked. Feeling of too much? Some badly designed Space X4 games I guess. But a commercial product never made me feel like that.
/e oh and Europa Universalis 3, but that was that also had some serious flaws.
/e oh and Europa Universalis 3, but that was that also had some serious flaws.
NYHoustonman
First time out of the vault
Public said:
The arguments come in when people make completely ridiculous claims - including but not limited to FO3 being so weak as to be distracting in the graphics department (Source/Oblivion are better?), or the entire game is ruined because the same general model is used for many ghouls (this is something that you don't notice unless you're trying to be critic rather than a game player).
A lot of posts start with an individual stating that they're not biased, then proceeding to make claims like these and going even further in asserting that [issue X] ruins the rest game for them, or that they were 'bored to tears,' or whatnot. There's no more reasoning with these people than there is with those who enjoyed the game, and it's not as if the latter are being greeted all too kindly, either.
I should clarify that I have no doubt several of the people I blindly categorized above probably are acting as individuals, but I'm fairly sure there are quite a few who are just here to bash the game in an environment in which people will agree with them. Myself, I'm here to defend a game I've enjoyed a great deal over the past week-and-a-half and that I still think is being unfairly judged / not given enough of a chance by many of the gamers on the board. It's a shame, because there have been several 'wow' moments (many not tied to the main quest) that they're going to miss.
Per said:
I obviously didn't say such a thing. I only wanted to hint him to our origins. Where we came from, y'know. My first 'FPS' experience was Operation Wolf and that is why I love them today. In an FPS, graphics are important, in a hybrid even more. Ghoulart? Pfffffffff......kidding me? If they looked like Elves, I would sure be upset, but in this context:
WTF?
DexterMorgan
A Smooth-Skin
quant said:
You're right, they definitely look a lot better as zombies.
I don't give a damn about other peoples arguments against this game NYHoustonman. I have played both Fallout 3 and Oblivion, both of which are in my video-game pile. One was a gift, the other was something I purchased myself. I even took the time to replay the first maybe two hours of Oblivion simply to make sure I had my facts about that game right, because I don't want to come off like a jackass.
My opinion, my observations, they are all formed on my own, by actually experiencing the game itself. The fact that a lot of people here share those views should tell you something - not that people are just going along with each other, but that maybe, just maybe, we've all actually played this game and it isn't fooling us like it seems to be fooling you.
The game is shit. Why is it shit? I will give it this, the wasteland looks pretty good in it. Not entirely accurate, in my opinion, but nice. But you know what, that wears off too. The combat was interesting at first, but you know what? That wears off as well. And then what are you left with? Not the stupid minigames, that's for sure. No, you are left with the storyline. You are left with the dialogue options that come up short, the plot that is, if you are being kind, idiotic, and if you are not, completely and utterly pointless. You are left with NPC's that you can't get attached to or feel anything for, you are left with a main character that feels... Well, like a void. Like there's nothing there. The game is, no, should be so much more than that, but it's not. It fails at being anything more than a gimmick.
My opinion, my observations, they are all formed on my own, by actually experiencing the game itself. The fact that a lot of people here share those views should tell you something - not that people are just going along with each other, but that maybe, just maybe, we've all actually played this game and it isn't fooling us like it seems to be fooling you.
The game is shit. Why is it shit? I will give it this, the wasteland looks pretty good in it. Not entirely accurate, in my opinion, but nice. But you know what, that wears off too. The combat was interesting at first, but you know what? That wears off as well. And then what are you left with? Not the stupid minigames, that's for sure. No, you are left with the storyline. You are left with the dialogue options that come up short, the plot that is, if you are being kind, idiotic, and if you are not, completely and utterly pointless. You are left with NPC's that you can't get attached to or feel anything for, you are left with a main character that feels... Well, like a void. Like there's nothing there. The game is, no, should be so much more than that, but it's not. It fails at being anything more than a gimmick.
quant said:
Then I guess we're back to no one understanding anything you've said so far.
AstroManLuca
First time out of the vault
Harold isn't a normal ghoul, so he won't necessarily look the same as the others.
He shares the characteristics of ghouls as placed into the Fallout world in Fallout One and Two. Why? Because he is always treated as a ghoul, because he is immediately seen as a ghoul, and nothing else. Why wouldn't he look like every other ghoul then? What would set him apart? The tree, obviously, but before he had that growing on his head? He looked like every other ghoul out there, so he is still a VALID standard to be using when looking at what ghouls should look like.
That and he doesn't look too far off from what Set looks like.
there he is, Set. The most badass ghoul around, or so he'd like to think. He was, perhaps, either the strongest or one of the strongest ghouls out there, and he is NOTHING like the ones in Fallout 3. So there you go, there's the standard by which all other ghoul-standards should be set. Heh. Get it. should be set... Set. Right...
Tom_Sawyer
First time out of the vault
Heh, dirt nap smooth skin
sigh
rpgs with substance and npc's that mattered
beth COULD have done this, spent money on decent voice actors, decent script writers that could have created serious deep quests
but console kiddies want more head shots, faster kills, get in get out
Maybe we could conjure up Set and have him pay them a visit
sigh
rpgs with substance and npc's that mattered
beth COULD have done this, spent money on decent voice actors, decent script writers that could have created serious deep quests
but console kiddies want more head shots, faster kills, get in get out
Maybe we could conjure up Set and have him pay them a visit