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So basicaly

FO3 ghouls: A human body with a different skin

FO1&2: A human skeleton with "running down", "liquefied" skin.

 

[Gandar]

So far, I've really yet to see any counter to the argument that Fallout 3 does everything better than it's predecessors.

Instead, the self-proclaimed geniuses (whose minds can only be stimulated by the highest form of video game writing, obviously) can only point out things they don't like about Fo3. If you can't make a comparison to F1 or F2, and explain why it was better, then I guess you'll have to agree that they are even worse. I'd be fine with that because I think it's generally correct.

Oh, and anything that goes..."so, by your logic..." is a poor argument. Stop using it. Just makes you look silly when your misunderstanding of the original argument leads to some ridiculous extrapolation of a point that was never made. If you can't actually prove something incorrect on it's face, you've got nothing to say.

I didn't read this whole thread, so I may be reiterating a point already made. That being said:

The main argument against Fallout 3 could possibly lay within your very argument for it. In your original post you claim that via visuals Fallout 3 tells a story in more detail than anything Fallout 1 and 2 had to offer. Well, I hate to break it to you but gameplay is always going to be a more important factor than graphics in terms of the quality of any title.

Fallout 3 could easily have incorporated more elements of the old franchise and retained its modern 1st Person 3d presentation. Some examples:

• The option for Turn Based Combat OR FPS action. No, VATS is just godmode. Doesn't count.
  
  More NPCs that can follow the player around. Possibly some strategic elements involved such as "basic" commands in turn based mode.
  
  More settlements
  
  More of a feel that what you do for each settlement has an effect on the world
  
  Better scale for settlements. Megaton felt "right"
  
  Better placement in the canon. 200 years is too far out to be believable. Hell, they are on the other coast. They could have made it parallel to FO1 or 2
  
  More dialog options
  
  More dynamic dialog. Ever play an INT < 3 char in FO1 or 2?
  
  The option for isometric view

Fallout 1 and 2 are more RPG than action. Fallout 3 sacrificed much of the RPG for more action. THAT is where most people have gripe.[/list]

 

[NYHoustonman]

As you can see on the images you linked yourself, the Fallout 1/2 ghoul is basically a skeleton compared to the Fallout 3 burn victim.

Harold and Set set (pun not intented) the standard of what a Fallout ghoul is, not you and your googling of the word "ghoul" in the image section.

Wait, wait... That screenshot was from another Fallout game?

You do realize Harold is featured pretty prominently in Fallout 3, right?

 

[ScottXeno]

Coincidentally quant, you said you were arguing because it has to do with the origins of the name.




The origin of the name actually has nothing to do with corpse-like beings, but rather people who dug up and ate dead bodies in grave yards. They were refered to as ghouls, and anyone who was ghoulish exibited some strange, morbid behavior, as well as was perhaps pale and lank, avoiding the light and acting all together not 'right.' Ghouls in fantasy literature and gaming were transformed into the undead-like beings you referenced, which, by lending their names to the fallout ghouls, somehow connected them. The only reason the Fallout ghouls are called such, is because they are undead in appearance (but believe me, quite alive.) That's where it ends. They are formed not at all the same way, and as such ghouls in Fallout should not look like ghouls in, say, Oblivion or any other fantasy setting, because they are NOT the same thing at all.

 

[AlwaysNukaCola]

Why so much hate?

First of all, I've played and finished both Fallout and Fallout 2 and I was absolutely in love, awed and entertained by the universe as a whole.

After buying and playing Fallout 3 (on Xbox 360), why the hell does everyone nit pick at it so much?!

Would you rather have had Van Buren? Everyone is bitching about 'crappy textures, crappy animations" ... And yet this would have satisfied you?

I hate it that Black Isle didn't get to make the game. But you know what? This game OWNS.

How can you not just be completely immersed in the insanely detailed environment.. and I use the word insanely lightly here because it really is a task which I could not even fathom completing to such intricacies.

The world is grim, harsh and bleak and yet you have cheesy, camp all American tunes playing in the background. It's perfect.

The facial animations could have been better, sure. The sexual innuendo (which all Fallout fans love) is missing to a large extent. The weapons have been simplified (apart from the fact you can make some interesting inventions).

But otherwise... What the hell? Come on, even haters have to like this game. It's just FUN to play! Does no one else really seem to get honest enjoyment and satisfaction from playing this?

 

[coliphorbs]

People don't hate the game as much as they hate it being marketed as a Fallout game.

Because they're nothing alike. Fans expect to be served their flavor. It only makes sense.

 

[AlwaysNukaCola]

As a side note...

The conversation/dialogue in Oblivion was crap, and was one of the main reasons the game wasn't as good as it could have been for me...

You can't really compare it to Fallout 3, conversations have been VASTLY improved, immensely. The voice acting is superb... Liam Neeson, Malcom McDowell... The ghouls voices, all brutal and like they're on the verse of choking on their own irradiated mucus.

It diverges from Oblivion quite a lot.

 

[AlwaysNukaCola]

People don't hate the game as much as they hate it being marketed as a Fallout game.

Because they're nothing alike. Fans expect to be served their flavor.

They are nothing alike?.... I don't get it, I see plenty of similarities.

Are you talking about the fact you can become a male prostitute in Fallout 2? Stuff like that?

Is the serious tone of the game putting people off?

 

[SRN]

Yes, the game owns. As an Oblivion with guns game. It is completely without connection to anything Fallout. Fallout 3 is simply not a Fallout game. After playing half of it, I went with that and enjoyed the rest of the game for what it was; a sandbox Action RPG, not a contintuation of the Fallout series. And the comparison you are making to the demo of Van Buren is completely unfair. It was a very unfinished demo, I would not even call it a demo to be blunt, so it would be rather obvious that it looked and played like shit.

But it would probably have been better then Bethesda's money-scheme. Also Fallout has never been about the graphics, it has been about the storytelling and game world. Something that Bethesda seemed to forget although they at least improved Oblivion.

 

[coliphorbs]

Gameplay differences aside... (First Person Shooter with RPG elements in FO3 as opposed to RPG in FO1/2..)

I think this bit of Vince D. Weller's review sums it up well enough:

Even though the box clearly states that it’s Fallout and adds a very convincing "3", it’s not a Fallout game. It's not even a game inspired by Fallout, as I had hoped. It's a game that contains a loose assortment of familiar Fallout concepts and names, which is why you start the game in a "Vault", get a "Pipboy" device, become buddies with the "Brotherhood of Steel", shoot some "Super Mutants", and stop the evil "Enclave" from doing bad things to good people in a post-apocalyptic "retro-future" America. The main plot revolves around water (Fallout 1 plot) and requires a G.E.C.K. (Fallout 2 plot), thus assuring you that you really are playing a 100% authentic, notary certified Fallout game. With, like, vaults and stuff. Let's take a closer look, shall we?

 

[Brother None]

No, sorry, we have too many topics that are already covering this.

Merged.

 

[Tagaziel]

Re: Why so much hate?

First of all, I've played and finished both Fallout and Fallout 2 and I was absolutely in love, awed and entertained by the universe as a whole.

After buying and playing Fallout 3 (on Xbox 360), why the hell does everyone nit pick at it so much?!

Would you rather have had Van Buren? Everyone is bitching about 'crappy textures, crappy animations" ... And yet this would have satisfied you?

Yes, because Van Buren (surprise, surprise) wasn't focused on graphics but actual role-playing. Which is what Fallout, as an RPG, is about.

I hate it that Black Isle didn't get to make the game. But you know what? This game OWNS.

Nope.

How can you not just be completely immersed in the insanely detailed environment.. and I use the word insanely lightly here because it really is a task which I could not even fathom completing to such intricacies.

Let's see... because most of us have standards and see bad design in the game?

The world is grim, harsh and bleak and yet you have cheesy, camp all American tunes playing in the background. It's perfect.

Nope. It's not.

But otherwise... What the hell? Come on, even haters have to like this game. It's just FUN to play! Does no one else really seem to get honest enjoyment and satisfaction from playing this?

Fun? Maybe. Jackass is fun to watch to, but I don't call it quality entertainment, just like I don't call Fallout 3 a quality game.

 

[AlwaysNukaCola]

Re: Why so much hate?

Fair enough, everyone hates it I see.

Nothing good about the game... :/

 

[ScottXeno]

I enjoyed it, Nuka. I enjoyed it for maybe an hour. I enjoyed the somewhat pretty visuals, I enjoyed the combat for a little while. I even enjoyed playing the storyline. BUT THAT WAS ALL DASHED AWAY WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT FAWKES IS A WOMAN.


*deep breath*

Seriously, I wouldn't rank this game very high. It does have things about it that can be mildly entertaining at times, so just because you like it, Nuka, don't feel bad. Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion over the game. It's just... There are too many things wrong with it to overlook. Too many issues that I just can't accept.


Also now that these threads are merged I am really confused o.O Anyway...

 

[Erny]

it has brahmin tipping

 

[AlwaysNukaCola]

I enjoyed it, Nuka. I enjoyed it for maybe an hour. I enjoyed the somewhat pretty visuals, I enjoyed the combat for a little while. I even enjoyed playing the storyline. BUT THAT WAS ALL DASHED AWAY WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT FAWKES IS A WOMAN.


*deep breath*

Seriously, I wouldn't rank this game very high. It does have things about it that can be mildly entertaining at times, so just because you like it, Nuka, don't feel bad. Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion over the game. It's just... There are too many things wrong with it to overlook. Too many issues that I just can't accept.


Also now that these threads are merged I am really confused o.O Anyway...

It's almost a crime to like this game though it seems.

On a different note... I can see where everyone is coming from, I hate things that are made different from their original form, mostly in the way of films.

I don't want to start a massive debate on this, but I have to say that they ruined X-Men with those god awful films (No gambit?.. Wtf...)

If you've watched 'Wanted' ... Read the Graphic Novel, it's so different it shouldn't have anything to do with the film.

So in that respect, I do understand. But to be fair, they bought the rights to it so they made their own game, as much as that might suck.

It could have been worse.

 

[Gandar]

it has brahmin tipping

I haven't seen this yet. Must go find some brahmin when I get home from work. This might make me put down FO1 for a night

 

[Commiered]

AlwaysNukaCola, I tried liking it, and did for a while WHEN I stopped thinking of it as Fallout and when I tried to purge the originals from my mind, but F3 just keeps hitting you in the face with painful attempts to show that it IS Fallout, it exhumes Harold for god's sake! I just found it impossible to like by the end.

I'm dreaming that Boyarsky with his Diablo 3 cash will get the gang back together and release a true sequel one day to reclaim their child. Even without a license they could do it and stick an editor so we fans can rename things the Fallout way. Would be a great Fuck you to Bethesda.

 

[Ausdoerrt]

Re: Why so much hate?

First of all, I've played and finished both Fallout and Fallout 2 and I was absolutely in love, awed and entertained by the universe as a whole.

After buying and playing Fallout 3 (on Xbox 360), why the hell does everyone nit pick at it so much?!

Would you rather have had Van Buren? Everyone is bitching about 'crappy textures, crappy animations" ... And yet this would have satisfied you?

I hate it that Black Isle didn't get to make the game. But you know what? This game OWNS. <stuff>

If Van Buren was release when it was supposed to be released, it would be a kick-ass game for the time. It would obviously look better had it been planned for 2008. And it doesn't look that bad anyway.

As for the "imershun" argument... *shrug* Well, to me the wasteland seems way too happy and boyant, and I'm yet to find myself forgetting to eat or sleep while playing the game. That means it's just another mediocre game for me.

They are nothing alike?.... I don't get it, I see plenty of similarities.

Are you talking about the fact you can become a male prostitute in Fallout 2? Stuff like that?

Is the serious tone of the game putting people off?

"Serious tone"? Really? Well, then I guess Mario 3's "Oh no, our King has been cursed, please find the <something> to save him!" was a serious storyline too >__<

I don't see similarities to FO1/2, all I see is ripoffs or references, copypaste environments, characters and inventory items. But I guess I'd be right to say that people here sneer at stuff like portable shelters, mini-nukes, weird special weapons, vampires and other fantasy creatures, etc etc.

I'm personally fine without the male prostitution thing, but it did add to the environment description and social commentary part. And at least if I made an ugly female, nobody would sleep with her other than for money. In FO3 everyone calls my CHA1 female a "babe".

 

[Erny]

Hey I have an idea - we need a mod that makes Fo3 non-fallout. Remove all references, rename mutants to orcs, ghouls to undead, Enclave to Mordor etc. Everyone will be happy!

oh wait, it will remain an FPS with vats&some stats and crappy story...