What do you mean "not here" care to elaborate that point a bit more ?Corvin said:
Impressions thread for positive impressions
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Did I or others every denied the FACT that a big part of the opinions here from the NMA members regarding Fallout 3 are of negative nature? (though not all still and I do agree as well that the artistical nature and design of Fallout 3 is definetly EXCELENT! yes it hits Fallout very well. But art and its design alone [like the buildings] dont make a "true Fallout" game).
As said. And here again. Many that have concerns with Fallout 3 have some valid points. Even those that now just post "meh I HATE! those game with my guts" have the one or other time posted their oppinion with a clear statement and points.
But one can only repeate him self so much before he gets tired of explaining to people all over again why he disslikes the game.
This is a community apreciating Fallout 1 and 2 a lot. And yes many have a lot of concerns with Fallout 3.
by the way if you guys really feel here are some people who spam this thread and express their "hate" only for the sake of it. Why dont you take yoru time to report those to the moderators I bet with you that either per or BN will gladly help you to sort those posts out from this thread. Or even better why dont you open a new thread with saying that in the begining? That you ONLY want positive feedback.
Thats what I would try at least.
As said. And here again. Many that have concerns with Fallout 3 have some valid points. Even those that now just post "meh I HATE! those game with my guts" have the one or other time posted their oppinion with a clear statement and points.
But one can only repeate him self so much before he gets tired of explaining to people all over again why he disslikes the game.
This is a community apreciating Fallout 1 and 2 a lot. And yes many have a lot of concerns with Fallout 3.
by the way if you guys really feel here are some people who spam this thread and express their "hate" only for the sake of it. Why dont you take yoru time to report those to the moderators I bet with you that either per or BN will gladly help you to sort those posts out from this thread. Or even better why dont you open a new thread with saying that in the begining? That you ONLY want positive feedback.
Thats what I would try at least.
But the community is meant to be dedicated to all Fallout games, and it is irritating that whenever anyone tries to discuss any part of the game the threads just get overwhelmed with "Bethesda sucks lolz!". Just look at my thread about the game music for example, you simply can't discuss the game here without getting spammed with negative comments - that is what we are complaining about.
jamesmcm said:
If you look at how well received Fallout: Tactics and Fallout: BoS are, this really shouldn't come as a surprise.
Most of the members here at NMA feel that FO3 is crap, much like the other FO spinoffs we've had to endure over the past decade. You'll just have to get used to the fact that not everybody lines up and simply goes "OMFG, that raider's head exploded!!11!!1!!"
It takes a bit more than explody heads and shitty ragdoll physics to get me worked up over a game.
jamesmcm said:
Do you expect peple to love a game that was disapointment as a sequel ? i think its natural for people who loved Fallout not to like a game that has very little incommon with Fallout , and yet is claimed to be a sequel.
Sure it was ok/mediocre game on its own, but not amazing, or best game in years.
We dont say "Bethesda sucks lolz!", only the current one is bit talentless. I actually liked morrowind and daggerfall. But fallout 3 wasnt that good, and i dont like the undeserved praise its getting.
And why would i send positive comments about a game that i dont like that much ? But your right, no negative spamming in music threads, IF it has nothing to do with the music. But if someone says that the music could have been better, and they would have preferred ambient ala Fallout, thats valid opinion.
rcorporon said:
Fallout 3 isn't just a spin-off accept it.
Don't start building up strawmen of the typical FO3 players. It takes more than an FPS to get me worked up over a game too. Fallout 3 is more than just an FPS.
I don't have a problem with people disliking the game. I don't have a problem with people intelligently discussing constructive criticism for the game here. I do have a problem with people spamming the FO3 boards claiming all FO3 players are dumb and it's a crap game.
jamesmcm said:
Show me where I said it was.
You shouldn't use words like "strawmen" if you can't use them properly.
Fallout is nothing more than a FPS with a couple of half-assed RPG elements tossed in. It has the exact same shooting / gameplay mechanics as CoD 4, Bioshock, Half Life 2, or any other shooter on the market. You skills do not factor into the shooting gameplay whatsoever.
It seems to me that you simply have a problem with anybody who doesn't share your view that FO3 is the pinnacle of gaming, and that Bethesda Softworks is the James Cameron of game developers.
Shattering Fast
First time out of the vault
Crni Vuk said:
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but...you're borderline offended that people like this game in the first place, despite your opinion of it?
No, I don't care if you enjoy the game or not. Just let those of us who do enjoy it in peace.
Well. This is a complicated topic. You know ... quite a few here do not only think that fallout 3 is a bad Fallout game. They also think it meets every criteria of a "spin off" while it has only the name of a sequel. And I am very inclined to think the same. The game got designed with the "idea" to be a sequel. It got market as such. But in my eyes it is a "Spin-Off". And this has been discussed in many different threads and topics "why" some of us think that way and at one point people bring up the "oppinion" hammer while "we" bring up developer quotes and show where Fallouts roots are, while "those" with the "Opinion hammer" refuse to read or/and understand those sources we offer them and just think that we are "purstis" wo "hate" Bethesda.jamesmcm said:
Make out of that what you want.
Again. For the case you think the spaming took over your threads your best bet is to go with the mods. Thats what they are there for.jamesmcm said:
YOu missunderstand me ... I am not offended that YOU or ANYONE is enjoying the game. But the "Idea behind your statement that people get the imagination any Fallout game would need the approval of the community" to be a real true good and awesome Fallout game!Shattering Fast said:
That kind of already implies like you see "us" as elitists.
Yes that I do see as borderline. Even offensive.
jamesmcm said:
I wouldn't call System Shock 2 or Deus Ex RPG's either.
My definition (keep in mind, this is MY definition) is something that either resembles:
-Baldur's Gate (iso view with turn based gameplay and dice rolls for skills)
-Morrowind (first person, and all attacks and skill checks are done with dice rolls)
-Final Fantasy / Dragon Quest (basically an interactive novel with turn based fighting)
Now, this is my own, personal definition of what constitutes an RPG. As for FPS's:
-FO3 / CoD4 / Half Life 2 (basically shooting where all skill is placed in the hands of the gamer, not the character)
Merely having an inventory system doesn't make a game an RPG, in my mind.
rcorporon said:
Hands down if you ask me. Remove the skills all together from Bethesdas Fallout and it would be a game with a better experience as "straight" shooter. [not talking about a Fallout experience here. But it would be at least a "good" shooter of some sort]
We've gone through this 'not a real RPG' discussion previously. I consider it pretty nebulous... when if you go after people's properly attributed elements the people arguing against Fallout 3 can't even themselves agree on what a 'RPG' is.
Fallout 3 fits pretty squarely in a hybrid category.
Fallout 3 fits pretty squarely in a hybrid category.
Shattering Fast
First time out of the vault
Crni Vuk said:
Well, it's not intentional. You're offending yourself. You want to be offended because that gives you a reason to continue filling this positive thread with negative feelings.
I'm not calling you or anyone else an "elitist", that is just the impression you're getting from my post because you need an excuse to antagonize someone with an entirely logical, non-polarizing argument.
What is that argument? You seem to keep willfully ignoring it for the sake of further debate. Well, no more. I'll spell it out very clearly for you. I'll presume to speak for fellow fans of Fallout 3,as well, if I may be so bold.
We do not care if you love the game or hate it. We do not care if you think it is a true Fallout game, or a true RPG. We appreciate the fact that you have a differing opinion from ours', and do not wish to change that opinion. In return, we only ask that you do not try to belittle or change ours'. That is the essence of the quote in my signature: people should be free to apreciate this game for it's merits whether it is approved of by the Fallout fanbase, or not. I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't play, and for what reasons, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't do the same to me.
Honestly, I don't know if this argument could be ended in a more decisive way. Please, just leave the positive impressions forum for positive impressions. We shouldn't even need moderators to sort this mess out...just respect our opinions, or leave. Please.
Crni Vuk said:
I agree totally here.
In Beth's half-assed attempt to cram RPG elements into Fo3 (skills, etc) they actually hurt their own product, IMO.
If they just put out a game without the SPECIAL system, and perks and whatnot, called it Atomic Apocalypse: Washington, I think I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
As it stands, it feels like a game with an identity crisis... it doesn't know if it's supposed to be a FPS or an RPG, and therefore does poorly at both.
TheLastOutlaw
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I've been hitting the negative impressions thread pretty hard the last few days but I think I've vented most of my irritations. I thought I'd stop by and offer the things I liked about the game.
The radio was implemented pretty well. The fact that it would fade and get static bleeding over the broadcast as you moved away from broadcast range was a great touch.
I liked the addition of giant ants to the menagerie. They fit very well into the 50's era nuclear sci fi theme and I found myself surprised they hadn't been included before.
I liked Protectron, the heavily inspired by Robbie the Robot look also fit well.
The weapon degradation was nice. It helped balance the economy of the game when compared to Oblivion. It felt more realisitic also.
VATS was fun. I acknowledge it has gameplay balance issues but it was fun.
The ever present radiation was nice. It really helped you stay grounded in the feeling of living after the bombs dropped.
The high point of the main quest for imagination and fun is hands down Tranquility Lane. Why couldn't the whole game have this kind of quality?
Building improvised weapons was a great dynamic. Combined with carrying junk weapons for repair purposes scrounging the parts of the homemade guns really made you weigh what was really valuable to you when you became over encumbered.
The scrounging and exploration felt realistic and actually fun. I liked the feeling of finding new areas and finding them, then ransacking them for every tin can (or whatever else wasn't nailed down) so I could make more Nuka Cola Grenades.
Being able to blow up the dipshits who built a town around a live nuclear warhead.
Planting live grenades on NPCs. Even better, stealing a grenade from an NPC and "giving it back."
The Fatman was so low yield as to be ridiculous as a squad level weapon, it should have been an oversized missle launcher instead of a nuke, and the concept is so out of line with the spirit of FO1 and FO2 but I did have a geniune "Hur hur, that was cool," moment watching the mushroom cloud from the first one I fired at a squad of super mutants.
FO3 is full of things that could have been considered good ideas but simply fell flat in the implementation. I'll hope against hope that FO4 gets the polish that 3 obviously lacked.
The radio was implemented pretty well. The fact that it would fade and get static bleeding over the broadcast as you moved away from broadcast range was a great touch.
I liked the addition of giant ants to the menagerie. They fit very well into the 50's era nuclear sci fi theme and I found myself surprised they hadn't been included before.
I liked Protectron, the heavily inspired by Robbie the Robot look also fit well.
The weapon degradation was nice. It helped balance the economy of the game when compared to Oblivion. It felt more realisitic also.
VATS was fun. I acknowledge it has gameplay balance issues but it was fun.
The ever present radiation was nice. It really helped you stay grounded in the feeling of living after the bombs dropped.
The high point of the main quest for imagination and fun is hands down Tranquility Lane. Why couldn't the whole game have this kind of quality?
Building improvised weapons was a great dynamic. Combined with carrying junk weapons for repair purposes scrounging the parts of the homemade guns really made you weigh what was really valuable to you when you became over encumbered.
The scrounging and exploration felt realistic and actually fun. I liked the feeling of finding new areas and finding them, then ransacking them for every tin can (or whatever else wasn't nailed down) so I could make more Nuka Cola Grenades.
Being able to blow up the dipshits who built a town around a live nuclear warhead.
Planting live grenades on NPCs. Even better, stealing a grenade from an NPC and "giving it back."
The Fatman was so low yield as to be ridiculous as a squad level weapon, it should have been an oversized missle launcher instead of a nuke, and the concept is so out of line with the spirit of FO1 and FO2 but I did have a geniune "Hur hur, that was cool," moment watching the mushroom cloud from the first one I fired at a squad of super mutants.
FO3 is full of things that could have been considered good ideas but simply fell flat in the implementation. I'll hope against hope that FO4 gets the polish that 3 obviously lacked.