Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

I disagree- The second one remained fairly strong throughout and kept itself sufficiently serious. The third one started to poke fun at itself. I mean, I liked the tank, but the relationship between Indie and his father was stretching it. Too much baggage and not enough story.

First was the best, then 2, 3.... eh....
Will probably see 4 sooner or later.
 
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Jack's interest is piqued when a mysterious woman joins him at his New York restaurant table, whispering, "Take me home, Jack."

His excitement veers to trepidation as she removes her ears, nose and lips to reveal a crystal skull. Without a doubt this is a different sort of date. Then his apartment transforms into a sweltering rainforest and we're off -- to orchid-scented evenings, the vivid sounds and textures of the tropics, and the enigmatic world of the Lost City.
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Dreams follows Jack who escapes from the U.S., a country transformed into a giant shopping mall, and undertakes a journey to Rio to retrieve a statue for a friend. Once in his hands, the statue cracks open to reveal a crystal skull. This is just the beginning of an endless chain of chilling plot twists and turns. Along the way, Jack encounters vampire bats, voodoo musicians, a Carmen Miranda museum, and an alluring German anthropologist, Frieda, with whom he falls hopelessly in love. Together they journey to the Lost City.
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Famed archaeologist/adventurer Dr. Henry "Indiana" Jones is called back into action when he becomes entangled in a Soviet plot to uncover the secret behind mysterious artifacts known as the Crystal Skulls. ...
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Those who have witnessed the movie may know if the only coincidence is a crystal plot device as a gate way to ancient knowledge.



AAA Movie script that borrows more than creates?
Another instance of media convergence, cultural archetypes running through multiple story formats,
or lazy script writing with zero IP research?
Say it ain't so Hollywood!


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ahem: its all been done before !

that being said .. i didnt like the whole story but i thought it was well executed.

so i'm gonna go for lazy writing - but truth be told.. the previous indiana jones were'nt all that unique :) the ark .. seriously ! :)

about the examples above - close - but linking a misterious artifact like a crystal skull to the paranormal and setting the story where the real skulls are said to be found (Central / Mesoamerica) is a very easy lead.
 
I'm not sure it's fair to try to compare this movie to the first three, at least in the sense of ranking them in order. This one contains many of the same elements, but it's very different in many ways too - it has to be, because the characters are all much older and the world is in a different era.

There's definitely a sense of fun about IJ4: some of the action sequences are way over the top. Normally I hate that in movies, but this one is doing it with a purpose, and it's well executed.

I wouldn't fault anyone for not liking it, but on the other hand I wouldn't advise anyone to rely on reviews or opinions you see posted on the internet. Go see it for yourself and make up your own mind.

Oh, and I liked Cate Blanchett too.
 
First of all, I loved this film. I went into the theatre expecting more of what George Lucas did to Star Wars: ruined it. But to my surprise and utmost satisfaction, it was done in the same fashion as the others, with the same overall mood and pace. Great stuff, in my opinion.

At first a lot of viewers may think, "What is this corny alien stuff?", but anyone who has studied ancient civilizations (particularly pyramid cultures) will notice the following:
-Uncanny similarities between Egyptian, Mayan, and Sumerian cultures
-All of them believed their gods came from the stars, and created man
-Their gods had "advanced tools and weapons"

If you want to these and other connections between them, and a theory similar to that shown in this movie, I recommend "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin. I'm not saying you have to believe in "god-aliens", but the facts stated provide a very interesting read. I have more books on the subject, but The 12th Planet is the best for introductory purposes.
 
Yawgmoth43 said:
First of all, I loved this film. I went into the theatre expecting more of what George Lucas did to Star Wars: ruined it. But to my surprise and utmost satisfaction, it was done in the same fashion as the others, with the same overall mood and pace. Great stuff, in my opinion.

At first a lot of viewers may think, "What is this corny alien stuff?", but anyone who has studied ancient civilizations (particularly pyramid cultures) will notice the following:
-Uncanny similarities between Egyptian, Mayan, and Sumerian cultures
-All of them believed their gods came from the stars, and created man
-Their gods had "advanced tools and weapons"

If you want to these and other connections between them, and a theory similar to that shown in this movie, I recommend "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin. I'm not saying you have to believe in "god-aliens", but the facts stated provide a very interesting read. I have more books on the subject, but The 12th Planet is the best for introductory purposes.
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I saw the movie today and loved it. It may have been a little less good than the original three, but it's so close I hardly care.

I'm also very glad to see they took a big risk like in the original three by adding a small amount of fantasy.

The Last Crusade had the goblet and the eternal crusader. The Temple of Doom had the 3 glowy rocks. The Raiders of the Lost Ark had the Ark of the Covenant.

This had the ancient civilization that bound their childrens heads to create an alien like head. Since this was to honor their gods its not completely implausible they worshipped aliens who if they did indeed visit would appear as gods to such simple people.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Well, it seems I am outnumbered here, but I have to say I absolutely hated it - I thought it never delivered that oh-so-hard-to-explain little extra, and in my opinion Indiana Jones is all about the little extra ...

I absolutely hated the skull itself; it looks like it is made from plastic and containes curled up plastic bags.

I loved Cate Blanchett's character though, and the story in general I found to be quite good.

Still; the movie left me wanting more.
 
Well, I don't know if it's true, but a friend told me that Indie survived a nuclear blast. Locked in a fridge. I know it's colder in a fridge, but can it counter the thousand of degrees produced by a nuke?


I gotta see this movie.
 
The Vault Dweller said:
I'm also very glad to see they took a big risk like in the original three by adding a small amount of fantasy.

This had the ancient civilization that bound their childrens heads to create an alien like head. Since this was to honor their gods its not completely implausible they worshipped aliens who if they did indeed visit would appear as gods to such simple people.
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That part isn't fantasy. They do it in Africa.
 
Yawgmoth43 said:
The Vault Dweller said:
I'm also very glad to see they took a big risk like in the original three by adding a small amount of fantasy.

This had the ancient civilization that bound their childrens heads to create an alien like head. Since this was to honor their gods its not completely implausible they worshipped aliens who if they did indeed visit would appear as gods to such simple people.
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That part isn't fantasy. They do it in Africa.
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They did in in the america's too.


Oh btw. That lead lined fridge they hid in. I hope it was several feet thick. Gama radiation can pass through a foot of lead.
 
Ah Teen said:
They did in in the america's too.
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Myeap. Ever since the Zapotecs, actually. Aztecs and Mayas did it too.

I'm not sure the Incas did. By the way, the whole Maya = Inca thing was hilarious, as those two civilizations lived thousands of kilometers apart from each other.

Hell, portraying the Incas as savages with spears and tribal tattoos was downright ridiculous. Don't forget they were the first to invent intensive agriculture, impressive architecture, census techniques... They were nothing close to the loincloth-sporting savages from the movie.
 
I found the 4th Movie entertaining. Seeing as the world did move on and Indy, like many great people fell prey to the hard times of the Cold War era.

My personal fave would have to be Raiders of the Lost Arc.
 
Hello all,

Well I have just watched Indy IV in the theater, here are my thoughts of it.


*** Warning Spoilers! ***


I agree with others that it is in general an enjoyable movie, IMO at least more than current similar genre movies, I do feel that it is not really up to par with the original three movies.

There are a few nitpicks here and there I really think are overdone or would not have been needed.

The whole atomic test scene, I am sure that the more scientific knowledgeable people on the forum will agree with me that it is impossible to survive something on such a close range in a refrigerator with lead in it.
At that range wouldn't lead start to melt or become incredible hot, pretty much boiling Indy?

The Ant scene, while I have heard of the ferocious ants in the Amazon region (don't know the exact species), I don't think they drag of prey the size of humans into an anthill.

Even in the terms of Indiana Jones that is rather pushing it

The whole Tarzan scene was rather ridiculous.

And now for the biggest nitpick, the whole alien angle, were as in the previous movies there was still somewhat of an aura of mystery regarding the McGuffin of the movie (perhaps a little less in Temple of Doom), there was barely any mystery regarding the said crystal skull.

It was quickly made clear that it was the skull of an alien and that it could have all kinds of magical powers and great knowledge, in this case mind control.

Regarding the flying saucer part, not sure what to think of the alien resurrection part, that it was really needed, I have doubts about that.
I have played "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis" and "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine", both games also featured mysteries that dealt with advanced technology and a little bit of what may seem super natural, so the whole theme of ancient super knowledge isn't so bad, but is kind of the execution that I found a bit lacking.

The whole revelation of super inter dimensional creatures, they could have left that part away.

As for the end scene, well I guess Lucas wanted to give the saga some resolution, but honestly, we don't need a 'Son of Indiana Jones' series starring Shia LaBeouf which was so obviously hinted at the ending.
I didn't find Mutt that interesting.

PS, one thing they never explained is why the Russians needed the alien remains from Area 51, all they seemed to need was the skull the Conquistadors had taken with them.
 
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