Initial Impressions: ME: Andromeda (Spoilers Inside)

RangerBoo said:
but to me the real problems were the story, characters and dialogue. Oh lordy the dialogue. It felt like Bioware was trying to out Joss Whedon Joss Whedon. Its so cringey. You have characters trying to out quip each other during serious situations where its not called for.
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"I think I pissed that one off. Maybe because I shot him in the face!"

"We managed to find the MacGuffin."
"Without dying."
"We also managed to do *insert something here*
"Without dying."
*repeat several times*

*in the middle of a gunfight*
"Dem rocks are floating! Weird."

Like seriously do you not think a comment about floating rocks can wait until after enemies have stopped shooting at you? Surely the hostile aliens are the biggest priority?
 
RangerBoo said:
There is so much wrong with this game. I know a lot of people like to go after the bugs, glitches, animations and the SJW devs but to me the real problems were the story, characters and dialogue. Oh lordy the dialogue. It felt like Bioware was trying to out Joss Whedon Joss Whedon. Its so cringey. You have characters trying to out quip each other during serious situations where its not called for. Than there is that scene where Ryder and their crew watch a movie together while saying more quipey dialogue. I couldn't help but think of the Marvel movies while watching that scene. I get the feeling that the Bioware writers were binge watching the Marvel movies while writing for this game.
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Any kind of talent, has left the studio a long time ago. But I mean ... can you blame them? If somenone rolled a truck full of money at your front door, you would have sold your baby as well. The original Bio-devs I mean. I am sure some of them didn't like the idea of selling their company to the highest bidder ... but well. One has to think about their retirement plans!
 
It wasn't talent that was the issue. Montreal didn't work with the Edmonton studio at all during the development of the game.
 
Ironically, I disagree completely while thinking the dialogue is crap. I love the lighthearted Whedonish take.

I was sick of the darkness of the previous games.
 
Remember this scene? Now aside from the crap writing and Sloane's accent there's a couple of issues I have with it.



If you annoy her she sends her bodyguard to walk up to you with a gun. Why not just point his gun from where he's standing? Or better yet, what about those two krogan? Have them grab the player and toss him out.

If you disarm him it doesn't get you anything, you just end up leaving with a gun. No renegade type option to shoot the turian and the krogan? Or take the turian hostage and walk out? And when you do disarm why don't the krogan do anything? Surely they could tackle and restrain you but nope, just stare and point guns.

I suppose in a way I kind of like if you're straight with her you more or less get your answers, but I feel Aria T'loak was a much more intimidating and interesting character and at least when she spoke I didn't keep thinking how bad the accent sounded.

Oh and the sarcastic dialogue in this scene isn't the best, but that could be just how the voice actor performs it, I dunno.

CT Phipps said:
Ironically, I disagree completely while thinking the dialogue is crap. I love the lighthearted Whedonish take.

I was sick of the darkness of the previous games.
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Not sure how that's ironic, if anything if you said the dialogue is crap I'd have been surprised.

A lot of dialogue is poor in this game. Just take this scene for example. I know it's infamous for the animation, but it also has the line "my face is tired", along with some terrible other ones like "we might as well be 600 years dead", "I'm not your new mother" and "a Pathfinder isn't one until they've Pathfound" (paraphrasing but here's the video anyway).

 
The poor animations along with the awful dialogue really made this game into a comedy. The part where the Krogan gives the woman a shoulder check as she looks past his shoulder causing her to break the glass(somehow since she doesn't even touch it) and the Salarian sitting on nothing then proceeds to stand up. I can't believe that ended up in the game, of course you could say the same thing about shrektari firing her gun backwards.
The dialogue is fun to laugh at too, like "My face is tired". There's that one moment where Foster Addison is asking about what happened to Ryder's father and she has a sort of demented smile while explaining that he's dead.

I don't get what's up with that trans(?) Krogan, sounds nothing like one and with a lisp at that. Can't remember if it's the same one that has a fight with another one which happens to be one of worst(but funny) fight scenes ever.



Here's a video with a compilation of some funny moments(a lot seem to be gameplay).
 
CT Phipps said:
Ironically, I disagree completely while thinking the dialogue is crap. I love the lighthearted Whedonish take.

I was sick of the darkness of the previous games.
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It doesn't fit with the situation that the characters are in as YongYea stated in his video. Not saying you shouldn't have light hearted moments in a game. Lord knows that the original Fallout's and New Vegas with OWB did that but the characters shouldn't be acting like their on the set of a sitcom during life or death moments or with them trying to find a new home for humanity where tens of thousands of people are depending on them.
 
Again, take Persona 5 as an example.
Themes of the game: corruption, abuse, sexual harrassment, cognitive disorders.
Now when the main party deals with the serious stuff their dialogue reflects the seriousness of it all, finding out the cognitive room inside a guys Palace that represents how he actually sees the young women he is in charge of and how the characters react with disgust. But the game still gives them moments of levity during casual interaction that also builds up their group dynamic without them just throwing shitty oneliners around when dealing with the dungeon of the girl who wants to kill herself.
 
RangerBoo said:
It doesn't fit with the situation that the characters are in as YongYea stated in his video. Not saying you shouldn't have light hearted moments in a game. Lord knows that the original Fallout's and New Vegas with OWB did that but the characters shouldn't be acting like their on the set of a sitcom during life or death moments or with them trying to find a new home for humanity where tens of thousands of people are depending on them.
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>_>

 
MercenarySnake said:
I don't get what's up with that trans(?) Krogan, sounds nothing like one and with a lisp at that. Can't remember if it's the same one that has a fight with another one which happens to be one of worst(but funny) fight scenes ever.
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Not a trans krogan, apparently it's meant to be female.

ME3 got this right with Eve. Her voice isn't high pitched yet it's still clearly female. She's more believable to me.



Yet with Morda, all I can hear is a very camp man with a lisp. I don't buy for a moment that this krogan is female.



Besides I don't like how the krogan look in Andromeda. They look off, Drack's the only normal looking one. The rest look too...smooth(? I don't know something's just not right) and their eyes are weird looking.
 
Every asshat who wants to copy Joss Whedon only remembers the "Wordy thng stuff with the jokes" but they forget that he also tends to have serious moments in his story and that the comedy usually is used to make the characters rounded out and to punctuate when something gets really dark.
 
Every time I see Andromeda I believe less and less this is a mass effect game. It doesnt FEEL mass effect at all.

Feels like a poorly made fan game if anything.

This is the same bioware that made inquisition/origins? KOTOR? Mass effect trilogy?
 
It's not, that Bioware left a long time ago. It's now filled with pandering idiots, trying to be inclusive. These people putting in a tranny that tells you his/her life story even though you're pretty much just a stranger, I'm pretty sure trans people are nothing like that but then again I've never actually hung out with one.
 
MercenarySnake said:
It's not, that Bioware left a long time ago. It's now filled with pandering idiots, trying to be inclusive. These people putting in a tranny that tells you his/her life story even though you're pretty much just a stranger, I'm pretty sure trans people are nothing like that but then again I've never actually hung out with one.
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I wouldn't have had a problem with the trans character if done well but there is a few problems with Abrams inclusion. One of my problems was with her dialogue. You ask her a question and she proceeds to tell you that she hated her penis and chopped it off which has nothing to do with the question you asked her. If the question to her was, "Tell me about yourself", then her dialogue would have made sense.
My second problem is why the hell is a transgendered women on a colonization mission? From what I know, the process in which someone transitions into the opposite sex leaves them sterile in most cases. Which begs the question, why the hell would you bring a sterile person on a mission in which the purpose is to colonize a new home for humanity?
 
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RangerBoo said:
My second problem is why the hell is a transgendered women on a colonization mission? From what I know, the process in which someone transitions into the opposite sex leaves them sterile in most cases. Which begs the question, the hell would you bring a sterile person on a mission in which the purpose is to colonize a new home for humanity?
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Does he (or she?) have a unique set of specialties or has a crucial role in the mission? Or even an excuse? If not, then it's retarded.
 
Arnust said:
Does he (or she?) have a unique set of specialties or has a crucial role in the mission? Or even an excuse? If not, then it's retarded.
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Just gives a side quest apparently.

RangerBoo said:
I wouldn't have had a problem with the trans character if done well but their is a few problems with Abrams inclusion. One of my problems was with her dialogue. You ask her a question and she proceeds to tell you that she hated her penis and chopped it off which has nothing to do with the question you asked her. If the question to her was, "Tell me about yourself", then her dialogue would have made sense.
My second problem is why the hell is a transgendered women on a colonization mission? From what I know, the process in which someone transitions into the opposite sex leaves them sterile in most cases. Which begs the question, the hell would you bring a sterile person on a mission in which the purpose is to colonize a new home for humanity?
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Some people reckon in the far future, people would be very open about this sort of thing. Never mind the fact there's still prejudice against homosexuality today despite it being more accepted than it was before.

They also say that not everyone involved with the Initiative would be involved in the procreation part of it, they'd be involved in technical stuff yadada. I don't care, I just think the writing's crap. No one gives a life story when asked "What brought you here to this job?"

I had no idea about this, but there's also this scene. I hate to use the term SJW but I can see why other people have accused Bioware of being such.

 
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