It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

[Irwin John Finster]

I see where you're coming from, but where else can you go to bitch about Bethesda games besides the Codex? Sometimes it's nice to congregate with like minds when you have to defend your views everyone else.

They're not content until everyone agrees that their game is the best game and their company is the best.

I rant about how bad Fallout 4 is, and yet I'm still playing it. Unlike fanboys, I appreciate better RPGs and don't blindly cheer every iteration in a series. These people never consider that we criticize the game because we want it to be as good as it can be, and instead it's a celebration of mediocrity because fanboys praise everything.

 

[VampLena]

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

Want to know how I know you're just a troll? I'll give you a hint - the big text up there.

Thats just fact, they'll be whatever the player wants, rather then what they are suppose to be. Anders was very straight in DA 1's Expansion pack where he was introduced, and suddenly he'll be gay? No literally, he has an affair with a male npc before you meet him, and then he'll hook up with your character male or female. Thats not being true to his character, thats pandering to Politically correctness.

Lets be honest here, you think im a troll because you don't like what i have to say. People who speak unpopular truths are always labeled as trolls.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

Want to know how I know you're just a troll? I'll give you a hint - the big text up there.

Thats just fact, they'll be whatever the player wants, rather then what they are suppose to be. Anders was very straight in DA 1's Expansion pack where he was introduced, and suddenly he'll be gay? No literally, he has an affair with a male npc before you meet him, and then he'll hook up with your character male or female. Thats not being true to his character, thats pandering to Politically correctness.

Lets be honest here, you think im a troll because you don't like what i have to say. People who speak truths are always labeled as trolls.

I think your a troll because you somehow think Dragon Age 2 forces you and other characters to be a homosexual. And then you turn around and complain about users on this forum spreading supposed "half-truths" and "lies."

I have no interest in acknowledging your existence further. Good day.

 

[SaucyLad]

I think your a troll because you somehow think Dragon Age 2 forces you and other characters to be a homosexual. And then you turn around and complain about users on this forum spreading supposed "half-truths" and "lies."

I have no interest in acknowledging your existence further. Good day.

You're a funny guy. I'm not Lena and I've never even played any Dragon Age game. I think I got one of them from a Humble Bundle once but gave it away.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

You're a funny guy. I'm not Lena and I've never even played any Dragon Age game. I think I got one of them from a Humble Bundle once but gave it away.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you think that I am accusing you of being VampLena? Because no where did I quote anything you said.

Good Day.

 

[LiveOnTheEdge]

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable. I suggest you read some of these posts. I never disputed though Fallout 4 has a plethora or problems, i readily agree, i was just saying the reality is Fallout 4 isnt as bad or a 'failure' as some of the guys here are deluding themselves into thinking.

Same as Arkham Knight and Aliens Colonial Marines. Some people have been fortunate enough to play trough it, without much trouble. Others didn't.

The thing that gets ignored here is that we talk about Bethesda. A company with 20 years of experience - probably more. They are not some kick starter company who started yesterday with a lousy shedule and bad buisness plan. They are billion(?) dollar company with a huge power house called Zenimax to back them up. ANd they also sell their game exactly as that. Something that is capable of reaching the Stars and scoring 10/10 in everything. It is hyped like the coming of Jesus. Consider this. Fallout New Vegas lost the royalities because it didn't score 85 on Metacritic. IT only got 84. Now guess which game got also 84 by now? Exactly. That's the irony of it. And it shows why some here feel that Fallout 4 "kinda" bombed. They will without a doubt make a fortune from it anyway ...

Though as of right now it's 85/87/88 for PC/PlayStation/Xbox

And looking at the metacritic page for Bethesda, it looks like Morrowind got similar scores with a difference of a few points or so. But Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim all got scores in the 90s, as far as the base games are concerned. But then all of the expansions/DLC seemed to get in the mid 80s down to somewhere in the 60s and differing depending on the platform too. (And then Hearthfire made it down to 54 for the 360 version of it.)

And I will say that tying bonuses to a metacritic score seems like a very stupid thing to do, and also accepting a contract with that in it seems like a very stupid thing too. But I guess maybe Obsidian was strapped for cash or something and felt like they had to?

 

[Irwin John Finster]

But I guess maybe Obsidian was strapped for cash or something and felt like they had to?

I think it was probably more along the lines of recognizing that they would get to make a Fallout game, which is something they probably would do regardless of bonuses because who wouldn't jump at that opportunity?

 

[LiveOnTheEdge]

But I guess maybe Obsidian was strapped for cash or something and felt like they had to?

I think it was probably more along the lines of recognizing that they would get to make a Fallout game, which is something they probably would do regardless of bonuses because who wouldn't jump at that opportunity?

Yeah, that's something I didn't think about.

 

[sallou]

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

Want to know how I know you're just a troll? I'll give you a hint - the big text up there.

Thats just fact, they'll be whatever the player wants, rather then what they are suppose to be. Anders was very straight in DA 1's Expansion pack where he was introduced, and suddenly he'll be gay? No literally, he has an affair with a male npc before you meet him, and then he'll hook up with your character male or female. Thats not being true to his character, thats pandering to Politically correctness.

Lets be honest here, you think im a troll because you don't like what i have to say. People who speak unpopular truths are always labeled as trolls.

Bioware have always been good about wanting to provide a range of sexualities, personality types and showing equal respect to these various types of human beings.
The fact that the companions were playersexual was not pandering to political correctness (since Biowares representation of minorites are usually coming from a place of genuinely wanting to do good, rather than being pressured by the industry writ-large). The homosexuality wasnt a problem, the indiscriminate bisexuality was. They werent pandering, they were lazy. (Or rushed) Instead of doing the amazing job that DAI would later do, with each character having a unique personality, and very specific preferences and orientations.. it was everyone available to everyone.

As I gay individual I cant help but eyeroll when people complain about 'forced homosexuality'. 90% of videogaming is forced heterosexuality. Build-your-own-character RPGs are the place I dont expect that from, especially not in a Fallout game. And not only is Fallout 4 'forced heterosexuality', its forced personality, forced background, forced feelings, forced behaviours, forvced actions.. no agency at all.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

Want to know how I know you're just a troll? I'll give you a hint - the big text up there.

Thats just fact, they'll be whatever the player wants, rather then what they are suppose to be. Anders was very straight in DA 1's Expansion pack where he was introduced, and suddenly he'll be gay? No literally, he has an affair with a male npc before you meet him, and then he'll hook up with your character male or female. Thats not being true to his character, thats pandering to Politically correctness.

Lets be honest here, you think im a troll because you don't like what i have to say. People who speak unpopular truths are always labeled as trolls.

Bioware have always been good about wanting to provide a range of sexualities, personality types and showing equal respect to these various types of human beings.
The fact that the companions were playersexual was not pandering to political correctness (since Biowares representation of minorites are usually coming from a place of genuinely wanting to do good, rather than being pressured by the industry writ-large). The homosexuality wasnt a problem, the indiscriminate bisexuality was. They werent pandering, they were lazy. (Or rushed) Instead of doing the amazing job that DAI would later do, with each character having a unique personality, and very specific preferences and orientations.. it was everyone available to everyone.

As I gay individual I cant help but eyeroll when people complain about 'forced homosexuality'. 90% of videogaming is forced heterosexuality. Build-your-own-character RPGs are the place I dont expect that from, especially not in a Fallout game. And not only is Fallout 4 'forced heterosexuality', its forced personality, forced background, forced feelings, forced behaviours, forvced actions.. no agency at all.

Thank you for making it so I'm not the only one pointing out the blatant falseness and trolling in that statement. I very much DISLIKE Dragon Age 2 because it spat on everything that Dragon Age: Origins was but claiming it forces you to be homosexual is clearly inflammatory. Homosexuality/heterosexuality was in both games and no one forced you to be gay or straight or even engage in relationships. This guy is claiming the games force you and other characters to be a homosexual and then trying to sound credible. LOL is all I can say.

For what it's worth, I thought the relationships were well done in Dragon Age: Origins - both homosexual and heterosexual.

 

[Dr Fallout]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

 

[sallou]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Even characters that are average joes with no gimmick or 'unique trait' are great. Whether you like Alistair or not, he feels like a real person.

 

[Dr Fallout]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Never played the game so I'll take your word for it.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Even characters that are average joes with no gimmack or 'unique draw' are great. Whether you like Alistair or not, he feels like a real person.

Indeed. All the characters were extremely well done. I don't know why developers are moving away from such good writing and calling it "progress."

 

[Dr Fallout]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Even characters that are average joes with no gimmack or 'unique draw' are great. Whether you like Alistair or not, he feels like a real person.

Indeed. All the characters were extremely well done. I don't know why developers are moving away from such good writing and calling it "progress."

Hence I want a lot of people here to become writers. I don't know, might be better in the end.

 

[sallou]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Even characters that are average joes with no gimmack or 'unique draw' are great. Whether you like Alistair or not, he feels like a real person.

Indeed. All the characters were extremely well done. I don't know why developers are moving away from such good writing and calling it "progress."

Morrigan and Flemeth are two of my favorite characters ever. Their interaction in DAI was incredible, just incredible. I think Mulgrew should have gotten more recognition tbh.
I could gush about DA forever.

 

[Dr Fallout]

For me, relationships are never done well in any game so far. It has yet to be seen in a good way in my opinion.

I usually find them cringy as **** and Fallout 4 is no different, but of all the games that have a relationship mechanic I would say Dragon Age Origins was the least cringe-worthy and it that sense was well done. That had more to do with the fact that the characters in Dragon Age Origins were incredibly well done compared to what we are getting now. They were clever, well-written, and Shale was downright hilarious.

Even characters that are average joes with no gimmack or 'unique draw' are great. Whether you like Alistair or not, he feels like a real person.

Indeed. All the characters were extremely well done. I don't know why developers are moving away from such good writing and calling it "progress."

Morrigan and Flemeth are two of my favorite characters ever. Their interaction in DAI was incredible, just incredible. I think Mulgrew should have gotten more recognition tbh.
I could gush about DA forever.

Hey make a thread about it. I would read it.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Since there's some people here claiming Steam reviews are far more reliable than Metacritic, I thought I'd take the time to point out that on Steam there are more than 32,000 Recommended reviews for New Vegas with only 1,200 Not Recommended.

Compare this to Fallout 4's 27,000 Recommended vs. 6,300 Not Recommended.

That works out to almost 20% of Steam users not recommending Fallout 4, versus only 3% for New Vegas.

The math doesn't lie - the game is at least "mixed."

 

[SaucyLad]

Since there's some people here claiming Steam reviews are far more reliable than Metacritic, I thought I'd take the time to point out that on Steam there are more than 32,000 Recommended reviews for New Vegas with only 1,200 Not Recommended.

Compare this to Fallout 4's 27,000 Recommended vs. 6,300 Not Recommended.

That works out to almost 20% of Steam users not recommending Fallout 4, versus only 3% for New Vegas.

The math doesn't lie - the game is at least "mixed."

And what you're not considering is Metacritic in contrast has a whopping 45% percentage of negative reviews. Quite the difference I'd say.

Yeah it's mixed; it's an imperfect game. That's just how it is.