It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Akratus, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Hell yeah. What would you propose to improve it?
     
  2. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I'm not the best with ideas but something like opening up specific quests like a certain troublemaking reputation will get you noticed by certain NPCs while showing yourself to be a good reliable citizen might get you known to more important people of that area.
     
  3. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Way I think Reputation should work is that it shouldn't rely on a number system. Instead it should have those titles back in Fallout 2, like Slaver or Child Killer or whatever. Each faction would have their own tab and under it it would detail what titles you've earned with the faction and NPC's will change and react accordingly. Some titles will give points and some will be fixed. If you murdered a child then if you do enough good around the place then they shouldn't just forget about it. Some will. But others will still cling on to that title you've earned for yourself and consider you a child killer. You earn a title 3, 4 or 5 times or whatever in various factions then you earn that title in your "General Wasteland Reputation" tab, which means that when you explore a new location/faction then they will have heard of your deeds out in the wasteland as word has spread through caravans and radios and whatever.

    Titles would be far better as they'd clearly state what you've done right and wrong by a faction or location and it'd trigger NPC's to react to it. Someone who despises thieves is going to remember that you stolen something and got caught and they're gonna hold it against you. Might not even want to talk with you at all.

    A number system just seems dumb and exploitable to me but Reputation is the way to go, not Karma, it just needs to be redesigned.
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Agreed, I loved the titles. They were literally achievements in the day for me.
     
  5. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Fallout 4 has tumbled down for thirty-five pages. At which point do we consider this dead horse beaten enough?

    Should we actually start making new threads when we're making new points rather than change the subject mid-thread and forget what we were actually talking about?
     
  6. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Continue beating the horse but with a sledgehammer instead.
     
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  7. Ninja

    Ninja Who?

    243
    Dec 15, 2015
    FTFY.
     
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  8. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I would rather see these discussions though than all that disgusting circle jerking about all the good features it has and anyone attempting to criticize it is met with a tantrum throwing fanboy.
     
  9. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    I don't think we should stop the discussion until people are done discussing. People are free to make their own threads regardless.
     
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  10. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Mind linking me the next time you come across a tantrum throwing fanboy?
     
  11. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Reddit, that is all.
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Never :confused:?

    People discussing Fallout in a Fallout community. For years! What a trully outlandish idea!

    Meh, to be more serious, there are even discussions about Fallout 1, Fallout 2 and New Vegas going on. No clue what the problem is. There is also still criticism flung at New Vegas - mainly at the Legion and a few other stuff.
     
  13. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    The Legion is a pretty complex topic (for a game) to discuss, since there's multiple views to go over it. A lot of flaws with Fallout 4 are pure fact (constant crashes is not opinion), so a lot of it is just moving from "smart discussion" territory to "repeating the same things over and over again". Unless this is some sort of satirical display meant to made fun of Bethesda, breaking down discussions into smaller topics.

    Considering how many mini-criticisms we go through in one thread, I think a lot of smaller threads would be easier to read through. But it's just me. Just a suggestion. I don't think it really warranted four replies. I'm not telling NMA to stop criticising things, because that's an even more dead horse than this one.

    Also, why is the dead horse emote labelled "Fallout Online"?
     
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  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because Interplay is also a (un)dead horse.
     
  15. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Hey, the Legion is great! A lot of the things they do are for logical reasons, off course being the NCR fed capitalists we are (joking, joking), we see their methods as brutal and too cruel.
     
  16. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Dr Fallout at his pro-Legion ways again... You never get tired of this, do you?

    Methinks you prefer New Vegas to Fallout 2 simply because Caesar's Legion was not in Fallout 2... :lol:
     
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  17. Chud

    Chud Still Mildly Glowing

    251
    Jun 8, 2015
    Ever since Fallout 3, many new fans to the series have excused poor writing, shallow world building, and downright buggy gameplay. At the time of 3's release, that's totally understandable for casual players. They did not know what came before, what was lost in the transitioning from the turned based isometric game to the live action, third person sandbox. Games like GTA 3 had already proven that having a large sandbox to run amuck in are fun, granted for a finite amount of time. On the surface, an open world filled with places to see and things to shoot should work well for role playing, and yet the pure shallowness of quests and weak writing derailed much of this. The sad irony is that on the release of New Vegas, a near perfect melding of the old with the new, many newer fans wrote it off, not seeing what it had to offer: Bigger quests, better writing, and genuine role playing. They saw it as more of the same, ignored the nuance, and thought it boring, even though many a time I've seen those claiming 3's their favorite even though they've played New Vegas for a much longer amount of time.

    And then came Fallout 4, the much ballyhooed and eagerly anticipated sequel. An improvement over 3, and yet not New Vegas. As the bland sandbox became more and more apparent, a sinking realization arose in even self-proclaimed Bethesada fans: It’s not as good as New Vegas. That game they often dismissed as not as good as 3, as being nothing more than a boring desert. That boring desert, to their surprise, was more fun to play with. They had taken New Vegas for granted. The countless improvements were replaced with shoddy settlements, terrible dialogue/quest options, and heavy-handed combat. And the bugs, the awful bugs of old remained.

    The honeymoon’s over.
     
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  18. Scipio the Elder

    Scipio the Elder Whiskey Blues

    66
    Jan 9, 2016
    :falloutonline:
    If the heart is still beating then we're not beating a dead horse. :monocle:

    Zombies. Always the god damn zombies.
     
  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    How did you know?

    But yes, I am quite pro-legion, and I can try to explain their discrepancies all day long!