It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

[Irwin John Finster]

6,000 negative reviews is high for steam reviews. Witcher has 22,000 reviews an only 1,000 Not Recommended out of that figure.

Everything else you said is obvious: casuals are the majority (duh, that's why games are dumbed down to all hell lately), etc.

 

[Dr Fallout]

6,000 negative reviews is high for steam reviews. Witcher has 22,000 reviews an only 1,000 Not Recommended out of that figure.

Everything else you said is obvious: casuals are the majority (duh, that's why games are dumbed down to all hell lately), etc.

If only Bethesda was lenient and allowed more RPG-like game developers to make spin offs.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I'll agree Metacritic isn't a legit site.

I'm of the opinion that the Critic Scores on Metacritic are illegitimate, but the user scores are not, and the discrepancy between user and critic reviews on Fallout 4, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 all attest to that opinion.

You have to admit there are trolls on each side though.

I agree with this caveat:

So far, trolls on User Reviews have not led me to an outcome that was not inline with the overall review score. For example, Dragon Age 2 got RAVE reviews from professional critics. The user score got destroyed. You can say there's trolls on both sides, but so far my experience has been that the user score reflects the game better. And I do not just read the score number, I read the reviews themselves. And Fallout 4 has legitimate negative and mixed reviews.

In other words, if I listen to Professional Metacritic Reviewers - I would have bought games I regretted. User Reviewers have not steered me wrong yet.

 

[TheRippaMan]

I'll agree Metacritic isn't a legit site. It's not something I overly pay attention to, although it certainly is a real shame what happened to Obsidian.

Yet, regardless of the metacritic score as it is, there are enough legitimate complaints about the game from fans of the old AND the new, as well as from my own experience, to safely say this isn't Bethesda's best work to date.

Agreed, while there are trolls on both sides, overall a lot of negative complaints have good criticism.

True, and I have to say, most of the low review scores I saw on Metacritic seemed to come from people with legitimate complaints, bugs, crashes, ui and performance issues. I can't say I saw many troll posts. I wonder whether the fanboys simply made that up as a way to stereotype the dissenters. From my playthrough, the game is fairly average.

Sure it gives you a lot of things to do, but that isn't the sole reason I play RPGs and this isn't the best I've seen come out of Bethesda. Combined with the bugs, average graphics, and the streamlining of Fallout 3 into an FPS RPG hybrid, I'm not impressed. To me, this game is a solid 6 -- a 7 with patches.

I'm not going to lie though, if I had gotten the game on PC and suffered a lot of the same problems many others have, I would have probably been pissed enough to give the game a 0 lol.

 

[SaucyLad]

6,000 negative reviews is high for steam reviews. Witcher has 22,000 reviews an only 1,000 Not Recommended out of that figure.

Everything else you said is obvious: casuals are the majority (duh, that's why games are dumbed down to all hell lately), etc.

Guess Witcher is a better game then. That's not the subject matter here though.

 

[VampLena]

Im pragmatic if anything, yes it really is majority rules so fuck you. If 90% of people believe the sky is green, it will be because reality is shaped by the majority, not the minority. That being said, Im not disagreeing. Fallout 4 IS downed down. Its a fun game, but its not the classic fallout. Im not a bethesda fangirl either, Morrowind has to be my favorite 3D cRPG of all time (Fallout 2 being my favorite 2D cRPG), and I'll never forgive Bethesda for going from the greatness of Morrowind to consolized Oblivion. And a part of me dies everytime a new bethesda game comes out and i enjoy it. So I am not Toddie Boys champion, but just someone who deals in realities and the reality is, its unlikely you'll see classic style RPGs outside of kickstarter unless gaming has some sort of renaissance, but i doubt it.

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

You really have to try harder next time you come back with a new account.

 

[TheRippaMan]

It's actually well known in gaming meta critic is a joke, there's no conspiracy 4chan admits review bombing it on high profile games. What usually happens is fanboys come en masse later to even it out. As to why AAA studios use it? It's simple, most of them are very out of touch with people, which should be evident to anyone who plays these games and sees the terrible decisions they made. Further, it's the one spot they can see all the reviews they paid off, and keep track of review sites not toeing the line.

its a well known fact they will black list outfits that give games poor scores and not invite them to the infamous press events. So it's one place they can keep track of all of these things.

Fallout 4 is not doing as bad at all as NMA users are deluding themselves it is, on steam it's Very positive, with 25k positive reviews and just 6k negative reviews.

you can vet those numbers yourself. I think the thing to consider is this, bottom line. Bethesda or EA whoevers current dumbing down direction of game development isn't to your liking, but it does appeal to a wide audience. Of course you can call those people casuals or idiots but they outnumber you 100 to 1, which means things won't change.

Who's really deluding themselves here though? I don't think anyone is saying this game is a disaster. Out of around 30,000 reviews on Steam, the game averages around an 80%. However, you have to look at the reviews themselves, positive, mixed, or negative. You'll find a lot of the same complaints, and streamlining is a big one this time, not to mention the bugs and the poor dialog system. Go on Angry Joe's video, look at the comments. Go on the boards if the threads haven't been locked yet.

If I were to make a generalization, people like the game. It's a sandbox. It's freeform. It's a post-apoc shooter RPG whatever you want to call it, but it's got some problems.

 

[VampLena]

You really have to try harder next time you come back with a new account.

Oh yes, the whole you must be someone with a new account because you can't refute anything said. Well as mods should hopefully be able to tell, im not any other poster on a new account.

 

[VampLena]

It's actually well known in gaming meta critic is a joke, there's no conspiracy 4chan admits review bombing it on high profile games. What usually happens is fanboys come en masse later to even it out. As to why AAA studios use it? It's simple, most of them are very out of touch with people, which should be evident to anyone who plays these games and sees the terrible decisions they made. Further, it's the one spot they can see all the reviews they paid off, and keep track of review sites not toeing the line.

its a well known fact they will black list outfits that give games poor scores and not invite them to the infamous press events. So it's one place they can keep track of all of these things.

Fallout 4 is not doing as bad at all as NMA users are deluding themselves it is, on steam it's Very positive, with 25k positive reviews and just 6k negative reviews.

you can vet those numbers yourself. I think the thing to consider is this, bottom line. Bethesda or EA whoevers current dumbing down direction of game development isn't to your liking, but it does appeal to a wide audience. Of course you can call those people casuals or idiots but they outnumber you 100 to 1, which means things won't change.

Who's really deluding themselves here though? I don't think anyone is saying this game is a disaster. Out of around 30,000 reviews on Steam, the game averages around an 80%. However, you have to look at the reviews themselves, positive, mixed, or negative. You'll find a lot of the same complaints, and streamlining is a big one this time, not to mention the bugs and the poor dialog system. Go on Angry Joe's video, look at the comments. Go on the boards if the threads haven't been locked yet.

If I were to make a generalization, people like the game. It's a sandbox. It's freeform. It's a post-apoc shooter RPG whatever you want to call it, but it's got some problems.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable. I suggest you read some of these posts. I never disputed though Fallout 4 has a plethora or problems, i readily agree, i was just saying the reality is Fallout 4 isnt as bad or a 'failure' as some of the guys here are deluding themselves into thinking.

 

[TheRippaMan]

Im pragmatic if anything, yes it really is majority rules so fuck you. If 90% of people believe the sky is green, it will be because reality is shaped by the majority, not the minority. That being said, Im not disagreeing. Fallout 4 IS downed down. Its a fun game, but its not the classic fallout. Im not a bethesda fangirl either, Morrowind has to be my favorite 3D cRPG of all time (Fallout 2 being my favorite 2D cRPG), and I'll never forgive Bethesda for going from the greatness of Morrowind to consolized Oblivion. And a part of me dies everytime a new bethesda game comes out and i enjoy it. So I am not Toddie Boys champion, but just someone who deals in realities and the reality is, its unlikely you'll see classic style RPGs outside of kickstarter unless gaming has some sort of renaissance, but i doubt it.

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

So you like the game, but you can't expect everyone, especially here because this isn't the official boards, to share in your sentiments. I'm the kind of person that can find some level of fun in most games, even going back as far as Might and Magic 1, but there are types of games I prefer to "waste" my time with or money. Fallout 4 isn't the top-notch RPG I'm looking for.

I look for story, character development, choices and consequences, deep RPG elements that have stood the test of time and which are missing. As a long-time Fallout and TES fan, it's disheartening to say the least of what's happened to both series.

 

[SaucyLad]

I'd have to agree with Lena. It has its problems, and is not the best Fallout game ever but it's overall still enjoyable. Despite all of its problems I was able to immerse myself in the wasteland like any other Fallout game and have fun.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable.

I've seen many posts like that, too. Be it from people peddling half truths, lies, or simply being misinformed. They're always trying to startup a circlejerk of hating on the game.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable. I suggest you read some of these posts. I never disputed though Fallout 4 has a plethora or problems, i readily agree, i was just saying the reality is Fallout 4 isnt as bad or a 'failure' as some of the guys here are deluding themselves into thinking.

Same as Arkham Knight and Aliens Colonial Marines. Some people have been fortunate enough to play trough it, without much trouble. Others didn't.

The thing that gets ignored here is that we talk about Bethesda. A company with 20 years of experience - probably more. They are not some kick starter company who started yesterday with a lousy shedule and bad buisness plan. They are billion(?) dollar company with a huge power house called Zenimax to back them up. ANd they also sell their game exactly as that. Something that is capable of reaching the Stars and scoring 10/10 in everything. It is hyped like the coming of Jesus. Consider this. Fallout New Vegas lost the royalities because it didn't score 85 on Metacritic. IT only got 84. Now guess which game got also 84 by now? Exactly. That's the irony of it. And it shows why some here feel that Fallout 4 "kinda" bombed. They will without a doubt make a fortune from it anyway ...

 

[TheRippaMan]

It's actually well known in gaming meta critic is a joke, there's no conspiracy 4chan admits review bombing it on high profile games. What usually happens is fanboys come en masse later to even it out. As to why AAA studios use it? It's simple, most of them are very out of touch with people, which should be evident to anyone who plays these games and sees the terrible decisions they made. Further, it's the one spot they can see all the reviews they paid off, and keep track of review sites not toeing the line.

its a well known fact they will black list outfits that give games poor scores and not invite them to the infamous press events. So it's one place they can keep track of all of these things.

Fallout 4 is not doing as bad at all as NMA users are deluding themselves it is, on steam it's Very positive, with 25k positive reviews and just 6k negative reviews.

you can vet those numbers yourself. I think the thing to consider is this, bottom line. Bethesda or EA whoevers current dumbing down direction of game development isn't to your liking, but it does appeal to a wide audience. Of course you can call those people casuals or idiots but they outnumber you 100 to 1, which means things won't change.

Who's really deluding themselves here though? I don't think anyone is saying this game is a disaster. Out of around 30,000 reviews on Steam, the game averages around an 80%. However, you have to look at the reviews themselves, positive, mixed, or negative. You'll find a lot of the same complaints, and streamlining is a big one this time, not to mention the bugs and the poor dialog system. Go on Angry Joe's video, look at the comments. Go on the boards if the threads haven't been locked yet.

If I were to make a generalization, people like the game. It's a sandbox. It's freeform. It's a post-apoc shooter RPG whatever you want to call it, but it's got some problems.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable. I suggest you read some of these posts. I never disputed though Fallout 4 has a plethora or problems, i readily agree, i was just saying the reality is Fallout 4 isnt as bad or a 'failure' as some of the guys here are deluding themselves into thinking.

Well, I think it's safe to say most people here aren't really fans of Bethesda's take on Fallout, and that should be fine. Not everyone like their brand of gameplay.

I wouldn't say the game is abysmal, but it's nowhere above average, even with their open-world environments, which I'll say they are really good at crafting. But what is the game really? Roaming around a wasteland, searching creates, and killing mutants? The dialog is pretty bad. The characters are bland. The story is pretty average by video-game standards and the RPG elements have been all but stripped bare.

 

[TheRippaMan]

I'd have to agree with Lena. It has its problems, and is not the best Fallout game ever but it's overall still enjoyable. Despite all of its problems I was able to immerse myself in the wasteland like any other Fallout game and have fun.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable.

I've seen many posts like that, too. Be it from people peddling half truths, lies, or simply being misinformed. They're always trying to startup a circlejerk of hating on the game.

You know, that is not a very honest thing whatsoever. At this point, Fallout 3 fans are hating too. This just happens to be a forum where there are quite a number of people who are not happy with Bethesda's Fallout. But I will say a lot of them are constructive, and it's not fair to point out a few posts here and there to judge the forum by. It's a forum, people have opinions. What is so wrong with that?

 

[VampLena]

I'd have to agree with Lena. It has its problems, and is not the best Fallout game ever but it's overall still enjoyable. Despite all of its problems I was able to immerse myself in the wasteland like any other Fallout game and have fun.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable.

I've seen many posts like that, too. Be it from people peddling half truths, lies, or simply being misinformed. They're always trying to startup a circlejerk of hating on the game.

You know, that is not a very honest thing whatsoever. At this point, Fallout 3 fans are hating too. This just happens to be a forum where there are quite a number of people who are not happy with Bethesda's Fallout. But I will say a lot of them are constructive, and it's not fair to point out a few posts here and there to judge the forum by. It's a forum, people have opinions. What is so wrong with that?

Theres nothing wrong with it at all, and I'd bet you'll have people now that love Fallout 4 that will hate Fallout 5. It seems clear that people love their first fallout and hate anything after it, like the guys who loved Fallout 1/2 but hated 3, and as you say there are guys who loved 3 but hate 4. Opinions are fine, the problem is just the half truths and outright lies like Fallout 4 bombed, which isnt true.

As for the bugs, while its true i've had no problems, and neither have my friends, we are on AMD machines, made to be more powerful versions of the PS4/XBone hardware. I have to wonder if the people having problems are on nVidia/Intel machines, as that would be the most logical, since all the consoles are AMD machines, i suspected most AAA outlets wouldnt be arsed to properly tune these games for nVidia/Intel machines.

 

[SaucyLad]

You know, that is not a very honest thing whatsoever. At this point, Fallout 3 fans are hating too. This just happens to be a forum where there are quite a number of people who are not happy with Bethesda's Fallout. But I will say a lot of them are constructive, and it's not fair to point out a few posts here and there to judge the forum by. It's a forum, people have opinions. What is so wrong with that?

Why exactly do you think a couple people that liked Fallout 3 hating on Fallout 4 means all do? I liked Fallout 1, tolerated 2, tolerated New Vegas, hated 3 and deem 4 tolerable as well. Does that mean everyone that liked Fallout 1 the most will be accepting of Fallout 4? No.

There's no wrong with people having opinions but when many of them are hating on something over non-sense or have barely played the game it's a bit silly.

 

[TheRippaMan]

I'd have to agree with Lena. It has its problems, and is not the best Fallout game ever but it's overall still enjoyable. Despite all of its problems I was able to immerse myself in the wasteland like any other Fallout game and have fun.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Some of these guys are going on like Fallout 4 bombed hardcore, and is so buggy its unplayable.

I've seen many posts like that, too. Be it from people peddling half truths, lies, or simply being misinformed. They're always trying to startup a circlejerk of hating on the game.

You know, that is not a very honest thing whatsoever. At this point, Fallout 3 fans are hating too. This just happens to be a forum where there are quite a number of people who are not happy with Bethesda's Fallout. But I will say a lot of them are constructive, and it's not fair to point out a few posts here and there to judge the forum by. It's a forum, people have opinions. What is so wrong with that?

Theres nothing wrong with it at all, and I'd bet you'll have people now that love Fallout 4 that will hate Fallout 5. It seems clear that people love their first fallout and hate anything after it, like the guys who loved Fallout 1/2 but hated 3, and as you say there are guys who loved 3 but hate 4. Opinions are fine, the problem is just the half truths and outright lies like Fallout 4 bombed, which isnt true.

As for the bugs, while its true i've had no problems, and neither have my friends, we are on AMD machines, made to be more powerful versions of the PS4/XBone hardware. I have to wonder if the people having problems are on nVidia/Intel machines, as that would be the most logical, since all the consoles are AMD machines, i suspected most AAA outlets wouldnt be arsed to properly tune these games for nVidia/Intel machines.

Well, I started with Fallout 1, but I prefer 2. I don't think it's nearly that simple and, perhaps, games really do go into decline. Just ask any Final Fantasy fan about how their series is doing. I feel their pain lol.

It's not necessarily about change either. Many people, even old-school fans, loved Fallout New Vegas, even over Fallout 3. I still think it's one of the best Fallouts yet. If you look at what people want from the series, look at the reaction to New Vegas. I think it might be safe to say, better writing might be a huge plus, especially in a series known for it's writing. Deeper characters. Stronger RPG elements. The ability to choose sides. The option to be a good guy or bad guy. These things are what made New Vegas, in many people's eyes, a better sequel to Fallout 2 than Fallout 3 was.

I'll be the first to say. If Bethesda could somehow match the writing and depth of New Vegas in Fallout 5. I can't say I would be unhappy.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

As for Dragon Age 2, while it sucked in gameplay, and the reused enviorments and forced homosexuality on the companions, it really was well written, watching a character grow from little more then a young adult, to near their 40s and seeing their rise of power being so organic in that it takes many years to occur and the world ages around you.

Want to know how I know you're just a troll? I'll give you a hint - the big text up there.

 

[TheRippaMan]

You know, that is not a very honest thing whatsoever. At this point, Fallout 3 fans are hating too. This just happens to be a forum where there are quite a number of people who are not happy with Bethesda's Fallout. But I will say a lot of them are constructive, and it's not fair to point out a few posts here and there to judge the forum by. It's a forum, people have opinions. What is so wrong with that?

Why exactly do you think a couple people that liked Fallout 3 hating on Fallout 4 means all do? I liked Fallout 1, tolerated 2, tolerated New Vegas, hated 3 and deem 4 tolerable as well. Does that mean everyone that liked Fallout 1 the most will be accepting of Fallout 4? No.

There's no wrong with people having opinions but when many of them are hating on something over non-sense or have barely played the game it's a bit silly.

I see where you're coming from, but where else can you go to bitch about Bethesda games besides the Codex? Sometimes it's nice to congregate with like minds when you have to defend your views everyone else.