It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Akratus, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. benwade

    benwade First time out of the vault

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    Nov 16, 2015
    What happened? Did key writers leave? Why do we have this steady refocusing from Morrowind > Fallout 4. If it's really just about selling games, then we shouldn't really be surprised and should stop looking at AAA titles for a niche fix that, while once, might have sold enough copies, just doesn't cut it in today's production values. Maybe we need to go outside, or make the games....
     
  2. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    I'm fairly certain Bethesda likes money enough to let Obsidian/Black Isle have another shot at a Fallout game.

    Other niche solutions involve InXile.

    Morrowind was released at a time when PC gaming wasn't as much connected to consoles and was it's own niche. We won't be seeing a game like that outside of kickstarter companies again.
     
  3. benwade

    benwade First time out of the vault

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    Nov 16, 2015
    I don't know. Maybe New Vegas was part of the problem. They got upstaged so badly that they didn't even try to compete in the same realm. I sincerely hope that they we get Fo4: Obsidian-Style. But, part of me thinks they wouldn't want a repeat of Fo3 > New Vegas. Maybe I'm completely off base, but I thought New Vegas put Fo3 to shame.
     
  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    It totally did, but Metacritic, the same thing Beth fans spout out is pointless made Bethesda leave out extra payment.
     
  5. shengar

    shengar First time out of the vault

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    Nov 12, 2015
    They let Bethesda had a free pass for FO3, then hammered Obsidian for bugs in New Vegas. Now we see it how history repeat itself with Bethesda had yet another freepass with their bug ridden game.
     
  6. miceelf

    miceelf First time out of the vault

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    Nov 9, 2015
    My experience of NV was that it was much buggier than FO3.

    What are other people's experiences? NV justifiably gets a lot of praise here but I never see bugs mentioned, when they seriously got in the way of my enjoyment in that game. Moreso than FO3 or FO4 (thus far).
     
  7. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Only bugs I've noticed since starting FNV up again is some radscorpions stuck in weird angles, Cheyenne's eyes were on the side of her head and a corpse decided to spaz out and fly all over the room. The only one that was to any detriment for me was the radscorpion angle bug as it made them a cakewalk to deal with.
     
  8. phipboy

    phipboy Newly elected overseer

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    Oct 2, 2015
    I don't know about FNV on launch but Fallout 3 was crashing on consoles, had a LOT of graphical and physics glitches. I mean FNV uses the same engine so it's pretty clear why there would be graphical/physics glitches and crashing.

    I don't know exactly what got in the way of your enjoyment. I didn't really get any game-breaking bugs or otherwise bugs in either game. Seems to not be the case in Fallout 4. Performance wise Fallout 4 is absolutely awful.
     
  9. Aaron Burr

    Aaron Burr First time out of the vault

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    Nov 14, 2015
    My original experience with Fallout 3 was my game consistently crashing during the birth sequence, rendering the game literally unplayable. Fallout New Vegas was buggy and would crash every couple of hours, but I could at least play it. The only way I was able to play Fallout 3 was through the Tale of Two Wastelands mod.
     
  10. miceelf

    miceelf First time out of the vault

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    Nov 9, 2015
    I've only got experience of playing on the PC. Fallout 3 was definitely buggy and I used to experience crashes every couple of hours, once I'd got 20-30 hours in. With NV all of my three playthroughs were seriously marred by bugs. I tried modding the back teeth out of it to solve the problems but I'd still get crashes every 30-60 minutes regardless. Lots of characters lacked clothing/armor textures, so they'd be see-through other than heads, hands and legs. There were other things as well, but mostly the freezing that would bother me. You can't relax into an experience when you're constantly quicksaving.

    I'm only 6 hours into Fallout 4 and I've had issues with subtitles not matching dialogue as well as companions getting in the way, but no crashes so far. Frame rate is fine and it looks good. Not perfect and there's the potential for it to get worse, but I'm not overly concerned yet. Seems console players have a worse experience though. That's undeniable.
     
  11. Paladin Waffles

    Paladin Waffles You only live twice.

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    Nov 17, 2014
    For me, Fallout 3 crashes a lot more and Fallout New Vegas has more audio bugs, but they're mostly minor. Things like footstep sounds randomly cutting out for a second when songs change on the loud speakers in the strip or when loading in certain areas footstep and gunfire sound will start to cut out. Anyone else get those bugs? Because other than that New Vegas is mostly bug free for me, hardly ever crashes.
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    New Vegas was perfect for me, no bugs.
     
  13. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    For me FO3 had tons of physics glitches and a LOT of console freezing. New Vegas instead, had a couple of broken quests and a LOT of console freezing (both on PS3).
     
  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Ah consoles... yeah they bug a lot don't they?
     
  15. Paladin Waffles

    Paladin Waffles You only live twice.

    173
    Nov 17, 2014
    Must be a compatibility issue on my end then. I've searched for a fix for the longest time but have never found one, must be my sound card not agreeing with the game or something. Other than that, yeah, the game is pretty bug free, everyone always talks about how buggy and broken New Vegas was but I never experienced any of that, only the minor audio cut outs and one side quest that broke.
     
  16. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Never had a problem with bugs in FNV.
     
  17. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Jim Sterling has made numerous videos on how he thinks Konami is a scumbag corporation that only cares for profit and is in it to screw consumers over along with ruining his favored franchise (Metal Gear Solid), and yet now that fans are saying the same about Bethesda ruining Fallout he calls it "trolling" and "whining."

    He makes some good YouTube videos but that article he wrote is just downright hypocritical and emphasizes the fact that anyone can pick up a microphone, videotape themselves, upload to YouTube and refer to themselves as a "Journalist."
     
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  18. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Wow... just wow. What a hypocrite.
     
  19. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    It's a typical double-standard a lot of people have. I try not to be a hypocrite but it wouldn't surprise me if I've fallen for something similar before. Let's take Dead Rising 3 as an example. Dead Rising 3 looks like a fun game. It just doesn't look like a proper Dead Rising game, so I refuse to buy it. Same thing with Saints Row 4. It looks fun, but that ain't the Saints Row I grew up with, so I refuse to buy it. I have standards damn it!

    Others don't. They either don't care how the franchise evolves, devolves or mutates. All they care about is whether or not they find the latest iteration fun. If they do, they praise it. If they don't, they call the developers/publishers out on their shit. But only when they don't like it.

    Then there are those that were never there from the start or who have never played the earlier games and never intend to. Those who has tunnel-vision and only sees what is right in front of them. I mean, that's why we have a bunch of people that think Fallout 3 is the first Fallout game. These people don't call shit out because they don't even know there is anything to call out on.

    I try to take a stance on this, to refuse to buy sequels that stray too far from the original and it ain't easy. Some games do look like a lot of fun but I'd be a hypocrite if I were to give them a pass when I don't give Bethesda one. So I decide to stick to my principles. Jimmy-O here probably had a personal investment in Konami once upon a time and never did with Interplay/Black Isle/Fallout so that's why he's being a hypocrite. Thing about it is that if you're going to have this kind of principle, where you find it unforgivable what Bethesda is doing to Fallout and what Konami is doing to whatever; Then you need to apply it to 'every' franchise. If you see a new sequel that's about to come out for a franchise you've never paid attention to then you really should research what its origin is and whether this is a proper sequel or if it is a Resident Evil 6/Fallout 4. If you just blindly buy it, enjoy it and claim it to be a good [insert title here] game and claim yourself a fan then you're going to end up being just as bad as those who did the same with Fallout 3.

    Otherwise, you're going to be the hypocrite. A double-hypocrite even, considering you'd be calling other hypocrites out on their hypocrisy while remaining blatantly unaware of your own.

    Jimmy-Boy can be on fucking point with certain stuff but he lets that ego of his get way too bloated and that blinds him from seeing his own failings sometimes. I didn't even think about juxtaposing his views on Konami with his views of the Fallout 4 backlash but now that I see it I totally agree; He's being a total fucking hypocrite.

    Question I would pose to others --a rhetorical question meant for self-reflection-- is: Are the rest of you absolutely certain you have not fallen to the same kind of hypocrisy?
     
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  20. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Me? No, I give Bethesda games a chance, so I can't fall for that hypocrisy.
     
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