It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

[PossibleCabbage]

I think the problem is that with this imprecise language some people will say "I don't respect so-and-so" and mean "respect" in the sense of "admire" and other people will read that and interpret that statement as using "respect" as "believe this person deserves some level of decent treatment" and will conclude that so-and-so is thus a non-person and is fair game for whatever abuse you want to level at them. This is how we get dead animals stuffed in the mailboxes of game developers who are unpopular for whatever reason; the internal logic being "I don't have to respect so-and-so so this sort of behavior is fine."

Personally I would just use "admire" for admiration, "appreciate" for appreciation, and "respect" for "consider worthy of decent treatment."

 

[Mr Fish]

Ain't definitions fun?

Anyway, where were we...

Tumbling down.

I got a question for yall actually. Let's say that Fallout 4 continues down this path and their ratings either stay where they are or slowly get lower and let's say that they don't meet their expected profit prediction (but still make a profit, just not as much as they would have wanted) and let's say that they don't earn many (if any) awards; What do you think the outcome of this could be?

 

[miceelf]

"I think the people that really get places in life are the ones that treat everyone with respect until proven otherwise."

Oh my, how naive.

It's just observation from my own life. I'm aware it sounds naive but it's my honest experience. It surprised me too.

 

[RangerBoo]

Well they will undoubtedly make a profit. If there was one thing Bethesda did well for this game it was their marketing campaign. I honestly will be shocked if they don't make their money back.
I don't think Fallout 4 will win any rewards. The Witcher 3 has already got them beat for best RPG and GOTY. With the tension, hostility and pure unbridled hate that many people now have game "critics" they will undoubtedly try to play it safe unless they are that desperate for controversy and click bait.
Just like with Bioware I think people will now think twice when purchasing Bethesda games and be more cautious with them in the near future.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Well they will undoubtedly make a profit. If there was one thing Bethesda did well for this game it was their marketing campaign. I honestly will be shocked if they don't make their money back.
I don't think Fallout 4 will win any rewards. The Witcher 3 has already got them beat for best RPG and GOTY. With the tension, hostility and pure unbridled hate that many people now have game "critics" they will undoubtedly try to play it safe unless they are that desperate for controversy and click bait.
Just like with Bioware I think people will now think twice when purchasing Bethesda games and be more cautious with them in the near future.

Hopefully, as long as people realize Bethesda isn't the Jesus of gaming I'm happy.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Ain't definitions fun?

Anyway, where were we...

Tumbling down.

I got a question for yall actually. Let's say that Fallout 4 continues down this path and their ratings either stay where they are or slowly get lower and let's say that they don't meet their expected profit prediction (but still make a profit, just not as much as they would have wanted) and let's say that they don't earn many (if any) awards; What do you think the outcome of this could be?

Best case scenario? Bethesda gives up on the franchise and sells it to a developer who takes it in a better direction.

Bestest case scenario, they give it to Obsidian who bring on Avellone as a contractor to help them write it.

Likeliest scenario, they blame it on something, shrug it off and continue to produce triple a turds with the Fallout logo.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Ain't definitions fun?

Anyway, where were we...

Tumbling down.

I got a question for yall actually. Let's say that Fallout 4 continues down this path and their ratings either stay where they are or slowly get lower and let's say that they don't meet their expected profit prediction (but still make a profit, just not as much as they would have wanted) and let's say that they don't earn many (if any) awards; What do you think the outcome of this could be?

Best case scenario? Bethesda gives up on the franchise and sells it to a developer who takes it in a better direction.

Bestest case scenario, they give it to Obsidian who bring on Avellone as a contractor to help them write it.

Likeliest scenario, they blame it on something, shrug it off and continue to produce triple a turds with the Fallout logo.

I call the bottom one.

 

[Taskeen]

I don't think Fallout 4 will win any rewards. The Witcher 3 has already got them beat for best RPG and GOTY.

Pretty much. CD Projekt also learns from criticism and genuinely tries to improve with each of their new games. Hell they even fixed and redesigned UI aspects in patches for FREE. I don't take much stock in meta critic, but the PS4 reviews have 79 critic reviews allowed on there and only 1 was mixed: http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt

 

[Dr Fallout]

Witcher 3 was worth every penny.

 

[Taskeen]

Witcher 3 was worth every penny.

I think so too. Hell, every Witcher game has been worth my time and money. FO3 and Skyrim bored me to tears, then I went back to Witcher 1 first and loved it (almost 100 hours) while Bethesda's games remained unfinished or just sitting on my game shelf collecting dust.

I actually prefer and enjoy the combat in the first game, but can live with the change in mechanics to more 'action-orientated' for the main reason of the stories being so well told with interesting choices along the way.

I keep hoping Bethesda will get a clue and make more than just a soulless open-world, and make an actual RPG again, but it isn't happening. Also crossing my fingers that CD Projekt pulls off something stellar with their next RPG - Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Witcher 3 was worth every penny.

I think so too. Hell, every Witcher game has been worth my time and money. FO3 and Skyrim bored me to tears, then I went back to Witcher 1 first and loved it (almost 100 hours) while Bethesda's games remained unfinished or just sitting on my game shelf collecting dust.

I actually prefer and enjoy the combat in the first game, but can live with the change in mechanics to more 'action-orientated' for the main reason of the stories being so well told with interesting choices along the way.

I keep hoping Bethesda will get a clue and make more than just a soulless open-world, and make an actual RPG again, but it isn't happening. Also crossing my fingers that CD Projekt pulls off something stellar with their next RPG - Cyberpunk 2077.

Cyberpunk... gotta see that!

 

[berlin1945]

Ain't definitions fun?

Anyway, where were we...

Tumbling down.

I got a question for yall actually. Let's say that Fallout 4 continues down this path and their ratings either stay where they are or slowly get lower and let's say that they don't meet their expected profit prediction (but still make a profit, just not as much as they would have wanted) and let's say that they don't earn many (if any) awards; What do you think the outcome of this could be?

Best case scenario? Bethesda gives up on the franchise and sells it to a developer who takes it in a better direction.

Bestest case scenario, they give it to Obsidian who bring on Avellone as a contractor to help them write it.

Likeliest scenario, they blame it on something, shrug it off and continue to produce triple a turds with the Fallout logo.

blame? that would entail they admit they did wrong. no, they will sit back and call fallout 4 a roaring success, and look to repeat with fallout 5.

 

[Oppen]

At this point though, I think everybody should understand that "Bethesda releases games that are seriously compromised by bugs after launch, and will spend the next 15 or so months fixing their game". So if you made the mistake of preordering it, you probably should have known you were going to get a buggy, somewhat unpolished, and poorly optimized game. I get, though, that blaming oneself is difficult, so lashing out is understandable.

Why is anyone surprised that Fallout 4 is terrible? Why is anyone buying it?

Well we're surprised that it's REALLY bad, and we buy it to see how bad or not it is.

Frankly I regret buying it but I'm finishing it first.

The day demos become a thing again, most videogame companies will bankrupt. You just shouldn't give a gamer the chance to actually realize your game is shit before he hands you the money. It's really like that time Marge becomes a real estate agent in The Simpsons.

 

[kelveen]

At this point though, I think everybody should understand that "Bethesda releases games that are seriously compromised by bugs after launch, and will spend the next 15 or so months fixing their game". So if you made the mistake of preordering it, you probably should have known you were going to get a buggy, somewhat unpolished, and poorly optimized game. I get, though, that blaming oneself is difficult, so lashing out is understandable.

Why is anyone surprised that Fallout 4 is terrible? Why is anyone buying it?

Well we're surprised that it's REALLY bad, and we buy it to see how bad or not it is.

Frankly I regret buying it but I'm finishing it first.

The day demos become a thing again, most videogame companies will bankrupt. You just shouldn't give a gamer the chance to actually realize your game is shit before he hands you the money. It's really like that time Marge becomes a real estate agent in The Simpsons.

Probably, but Demos can also be compartmentalised, and make sure it looks genuinely look, a far cry from the actual game. Im afraid demos dont do justice these days.

 

[greene]

I've played about 4 hours and nothing about this game is award worthy so far. It needs an enormous amount of patching. I'm curious to see how many reviewers give it goty when other games released this year had their shit together.

 

[Askorti]

A small part of my hopes that for the next Fallout game it will be Obsidian who makes it. If not, then at least it could be Bethesda, but only after realizing how wrong they were. They looked at the success of Mass Effect and Borderlands and ripped those off for Fallout 4. It was a disaster. Maybe for fallout 5 they will do the sensible thing and try to rip off The Witcher instead. At least they would have a good object of inspiration this time... Because I have no faith that they would be capable of coming up with something good on their won.

 

[Dr Fallout]

A small part of my hopes that for the next Fallout game it will be Obsidian who makes it. If not, then at least it could be Bethesda, but only after realizing how wrong they were. They looked at the success of Mass Effect and Borderlands and ripped those off for Fallout 4. It was a disaster. Maybe for fallout 5 they will do the sensible thing and try to rip off The Witcher instead. At least they would have a good object of inspiration this time... Because I have no faith that they would be capable of coming up with something good on their won.

Fallout 5 will be the same, Bethesda claiming Fallout 4 worked.

 

[shengar]

Well they will undoubtedly make a profit. If there was one thing Bethesda did well for this game it was their marketing campaign. I honestly will be shocked if they don't make their money back.
I don't think Fallout 4 will win any rewards. The Witcher 3 has already got them beat for best RPG and GOTY. With the tension, hostility and pure unbridled hate that many people now have game "critics" they will undoubtedly try to play it safe unless they are that desperate for controversy and click bait.
Just like with Bioware I think people will now think twice when purchasing Bethesda games and be more cautious with them in the near future.

Hopefully, as long as people realize Bethesda isn't the Jesus of gaming I'm happy.

This
THIS
People can treat FO3/FO4 as digital crack if they want. But please stop calling their game the staple of open world, and don't even try on RPG. Bethesda being treated as second coming of jesus is what really gets on my nerves.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Well they will undoubtedly make a profit. If there was one thing Bethesda did well for this game it was their marketing campaign. I honestly will be shocked if they don't make their money back.
I don't think Fallout 4 will win any rewards. The Witcher 3 has already got them beat for best RPG and GOTY. With the tension, hostility and pure unbridled hate that many people now have game "critics" they will undoubtedly try to play it safe unless they are that desperate for controversy and click bait.
Just like with Bioware I think people will now think twice when purchasing Bethesda games and be more cautious with them in the near future.

Hopefully, as long as people realize Bethesda isn't the Jesus of gaming I'm happy.

This
THIS
People can treat FO3/FO4 as digital crack if they want. But please stop calling their game the staple of open world, and don't even try on RPG. Bethesda being treated as second coming of jesus is what really gets on my nerves.

Nice to know others agree. I hate the reverence to Tom Howard. He's a fucking business man who wants to make money from YOU. He's not God.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Ain't definitions fun?

Anyway, where were we...

Tumbling down.

I got a question for yall actually. Let's say that Fallout 4 continues down this path and their ratings either stay where they are or slowly get lower and let's say that they don't meet their expected profit prediction (but still make a profit, just not as much as they would have wanted) and let's say that they don't earn many (if any) awards; What do you think the outcome of this could be?

Best case scenario? Bethesda gives up on the franchise and sells it to a developer who takes it in a better direction.

Bestest case scenario, they give it to Obsidian who bring on Avellone as a contractor to help them write it.

Likeliest scenario, they blame it on something, shrug it off and continue to produce triple a turds with the Fallout logo.

I disagree, unfortunately. The most likely scenario is they just keep pumping out bad Fallout knock-offs and have journalists call it "hardcore RPG." Seriously, there are critics/journalists calling Fallout 4 a HARDCORE RPG for hardcore RPG fans.

It's either this or Bethesda holds on to the license forever "just in case" like many developers do, but they never actually do anything with it.

Hopefully they like money enough that they let Black Ilse/Obsidian people make another Fallout and remain on as a publisher.