It Began and it Ended. For now.

Now let me see, how many riots happened in america in the last decades? Hmmm, thought so.

This problem is indeed serious, but i fail to see something new about it, or any reason to laugh :? so what do you mean CCR, can you be a bit more clear please?
 
The fall of Europe is inevitable due primarily to demographic shifts, and this is just further proof that the Muslim immigrant solution is like cutting off the lower part of one's abdomen to get rid of a bad kidney.

It's funny. I like watching it. I like thinking about the hilarious decline of Western Europe right after a decade of "OMFG WE WILL BEAT AMERICA" rhetoric.

Frankly, go Radical Islam. This is great stuff.
 
I don't follow the news too often so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of backstory on this, but this is what I'm getting from that article: People seeking to escape persecution or horrible living conditions move to Paris, one of the most expensive places to live in the world, are angry that they haven't become instantly middle-class or better, so when two dummies run into an electrical sub-station and fry themselves they see an opportunity to destroy the area they live in in an attempt to vent their frustration that the French government isn't a benevolent deity that can instantly grant them the life they think they deserve. Is that about right?
 
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John Uskglass said:
I'm like Doctor fucking Manhattan sometimes.
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More like a blind guy tossing rocks at random and saying that sooner or later you're gonna hit a fool.

Mmm... Rocks.
 
IMHO, it's all due to the way those Parisian neighbourhoods are built. Big, freaking ugly concrete mastodonts surrounded by large, bare and dull pieces of empty land.

When I passed through there a year or so ago, and saw the place crawling with low-lifes and wannabe gangsta's, I said: 'If you're going to build American, you're going to get American situations.'

I wish I could say I'm thrilled to be proven right.
 
"Inevitable fall of Western Europe" is funny coming from someone living in a country in decline himself.

Good thing I'm studying to be an expert in a country that's not in decline, ey?
 
If it was any other european city I would show some sympathy. But because it is paris I say let the fucking city burn.
 
Do I hear the sound a million hearts breaking now?


No, wait - it's the sound of the rain pouring down again endlessly on your shitty little town.

Nevermind then, carry on.
 
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John Uskglass said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4404362.stm



Buahahahahahahahahaha. I'm like Doctor fucking Manhattan sometimes. But I don't really care at this point, to be honest. Europe has chosen it's fate every step of the way.

Anyone have any serious response to this?
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France isn't Europe. Paris isn't France. The fact that a handful of moronic gangs decided to go on a destructive rampage doesn't indicate the entire Europe will suddenly be levelled by bloodthirsty hordes of invading Africans and Arabs.

And besides, it's just a riot. A bunch of kids lighting up cars and throwing rocks at the police. It's not like anyone got killed yet. Student revolution in 1968 was a lot more widespread and violent, yet it didn't lead to a downfall of western civilization, so I somehow doubt these latest events will.
 
"Inevitable fall of Western Europe" is funny coming from someone living in a country in decline himself.
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Your argument= Oxygen+Summer in Mexico. Our GDP is still expanding inspite of an idiotic leader, our military is still more powerful then any other in the world and our population is not near collapse. We also probably have an economic future.

Good thing I'm studying to be an expert in a country that's not in decline, ey?
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Russia? Do you mean Russia? Mrs. Fertility Rate -9.98666?
 
I lived adjacent to nieghborhoods affected by the Los Angeles riots and they didnt get damaged half as bad as what I'm seeing in this article.

Right on point Montez.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Montez said:
I don't follow the news too often so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of backstory on this, but this is what I'm getting from that article: People seeking to escape persecution or horrible living conditions move to Paris, one of the most expensive places to live in the world, are angry that they haven't become instantly middle-class or better, so when two dummies run into an electrical sub-station and fry themselves they see an opportunity to destroy the area they live in in an attempt to vent their frustration that the French government isn't a benevolent deity that can instantly grant them the life they think they deserve. Is that about right?
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I find it amusing that people use any excuse they can garner to go break and steal things. Anyways, if you are going to do all this, why not do it in a NICE neighborhood instead of in your own? NIMBLY - Not In My BackYard doesn't seem to apply in riots.
 
Jebus said:
Do I hear the sound a million hearts breaking now?


No, wait - it's the sound of the rain pouring down again endlessly on your shitty little town.

Nevermind then, carry on.
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Seattle isn't "little" by any means. But I don't particularly like it either.

Montez said:
I don't follow the news too often so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of backstory on this, but this is what I'm getting from that article: People seeking to escape persecution or horrible living conditions move to Paris, one of the most expensive places to live in the world, are angry that they haven't become instantly middle-class or better, so when two dummies run into an electrical sub-station and fry themselves they see an opportunity to destroy the area they live in in an attempt to vent their frustration that the French government isn't a benevolent deity that can instantly grant them the life they think they deserve. Is that about right?
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Same as all the ethnicities in America. Except race riots are MORE common here. sigh.

Fireblade said:
NIMBLY - Not In My BackYard doesn't seem to apply in riots.
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I gots the reference.
 
John Uskglass said:
Our GDP is still expanding inspite of an idiotic leader, our military is still more powerful then any other in the world and our population is not near collapse. We also probably have an economic future.
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Let me try converting that into realistic English.

Our GDP is expanding because our leader, whilst being an idiot, has some good solid backstabbing economic policies such as the devaluating of the dollar, our military is so powerful that with our huge debts we won't be able to upkeep it much longer and our population is not near collapse, which also goes for many other populations in the world despite CC's unproven claims to the contrary.

Explain to me exactly why I should worship the grand stability of the US, a country with enormous debts, a bloated unsustainable military asnd ridiculous reliance on other people's gasses?

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Russia? Do you mean Russia? Mrs. Fertility Rate -9.98666?
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And still with a GDP real growth rate of 7%.

Country in transition, kid, get used to it. You used to argue Christianity would win out once Africa got over AIDs. Heh.

Nice going dodging the other posts in this thread, by the way.
 
I still don`t understand how some riots on the outskirts of paris proves the decline of European civilization :? Did America went on a downwards spiral after the Rodney King riots?...
 
Briosafreak said:
I still don`t understand how some riots on the outskirts of paris proves the decline of European civilization :? Did America went on a downwards spiral after the Rodney King riots?...
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You forget, this is John Uskglass we're talking about. To him, the relative lack of females in China spells out population doom, or the fact that some US debts are to China means the US debt is irrelevant...

Remember, something is always proven the moment it becomes convenient!
 
Well to be fair Kharn, yes Russia is transitioning and chances are Russia will get better. Of course if it gets worse, than Russia will start to look a lot like Africa and less like Europe. So yeah, hopefully Russia is on the rise because God knows it needs to.

Eight days of rioting in Paris is nothing to laugh at. NPR has been covering it over here. Jebus is right- this is looking awfully like an American race riot.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4988140

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4988056

While the US hasn't had a really big race riot since Rodney King in '92, we've got a history of them.

Rather than point a finger at the US and "Ah, yeah, you too!" you might want to think about- "Jeez how did we fuck this one up." Or are you suggesting that Europe's other cities are free of this kind of problem?

Likewise, the Americans might take some lessons from France- it's not just a black/white thing but a problem of social class and marginalization. And John, while you might laugh at Europe's dirty laundry, you only need to look at New Orleans to see how stained are our linens.

In both cases the writing has been on the walls that this was due to happen sooner or later. It might only take a spark to light a blaze, but this fire has been in the works for years.
 
welsh said:
Well to be fair Kharn, yes Russia is transitioning and chances are Russia will get better. Of course if it gets worse, than Russia will start to look a lot like Africa and less like Europe. So yeah, hopefully Russia is on the rise because God knows it needs to.
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Remember, I'm just back from a trip to Russia that took me past NATO, the EU, the embassy and a whole row of companies settling down in Russia (see the thread in TO). The situation is foggy and hard-to-understand, but depending on the government it'll take a hard hit to actually turn it from getting better to getting worse.

One of the most significant things is that for now Poetin has been using most of the oil-money to settle debts. Soon Russia will be almost debt-free, which is quite a unicum (along with the Netherlands), which gives it quite a bit of elbow-room for investments. Expect it to boom then, not now.

welsh said:
Eight days of rioting in Paris is nothing to laugh at. NPR has been covering it over here. Jebus is right- this is looking awfully like an American race riot.
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Except that you can not deny the religious connotations here, un-politically correct as that may be.

welsh said:
Rather than point a finger at the US and "Ah, yeah, you too!" you might want to think about- "Jeez how did we fuck this one up." Or are you suggesting that Europe's other cities are free of this kind of problem?
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Yes and no. Paris' problems are pretty unique even within a European perspective. The notorious French ghettos (you have to see them to understand them, ask Wooz, he knows them better than me) are fairly unique within Europe in terms of poverty/police control. Many of the things you see in Paris do exist elsewhere, but not in the same way. Warsaw may have ghettoes, but not foreign ghettoes like France. Rotterdam may be almost 50% foreignors, but Rotterdam does not lack police control.

If you're suggesting that Europe as a whole should pause about how it fucked up you're having the same perspective-problems as CC is. France's problem is France's problem. It is interesting as a warning shot, but only in the same way that the riots in the US were the same and in the same way that terrorism in the US forewarned terrorism in the EU. To imply collective responsibility is ludicrous at best.
 
According to my indirect sources on the ground things are even worse than what the TV has been showing. is it a may68 crisis that will lead in the future to some severe political changes in France? And how is it that only now i´m aware that some of those areas are gang turffs like LA a few years ago or New York in the 70's early 80's? The figures of the destruction are indeed incredible, the french police is tide up by the anti-Sarkozy politicians, so they are generally acting like pussies.

This is now worse than the last riots in England , what will come up of this is keeping me curious.
 
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