Well, how many clear cases have there been in cologne in the first place?
It says that there have been 5 reported cases of rape and 16 with attempted rape from 497 sexual assaults of which 284 also reported property crime.
Cologne was terrible, without any questions and there have been many immigrants involved.
What the incident really highlighted though, is the inefficiency of the authorities. The police has been underbudged and undestaffed for decades and the management of criminal immigrants is a huge problem and I do not understand why it's not easier to send criminal imigrants back to their nation of origin. A lot has to be improved here, there is no question about that.
But cologne, it seems, had also a lot to do with gangs runing around and using the oportunity to simply steal stuff.
Is that really enough to create a rather bitter debate over immigration and refugees in general? Particularly in the manner as how we've seen it on the net and certain Facebook communities? I mean in Germany alone 40% of the females are subject to sexual harassment, every day. And that was never really much of a topic for the last few decades and it took cologne to start a new debate here, but it is focused solely on immigrants and refugees. That's why I brought up the Oktoberfest, where sexual attacks happen regulary, maybe not on the scope like in Cologne (I havn't compared the numbers), but it happens and it doesn't really bother anyone really. At least I can't remember that there was ever a huge debate about the sexual attacks on the Oktoberfest or other large festivals, not like about Cologne.
I have the opinion that sexual attacks, harassment and rape should always be a concern and it shouldn't take 'refugees' or 'immigrants' to set the focus on it and starting a debate, because we suddenly have someone to blame who's coming from the outside.
Of course, next to that we can ALWAYS as well talk about what the correct treatment is for criminal immigrants and/or refugees, particularly if the intention is to prevent something like that from happening in the future. But that kind of debate should be a rational one, or as we can see right now, it will hit a lot of wrong people, people that are actually very well adapted in to our culture and society but have to leave Germany now, because Afghanistan has been declared a 'safe' country of origin, a touchy subject however since at least 1/3 of the people they are sending back are criminals, and consideirng how severe the crime is I do think that sending people back should be a consideration, but the way how they do it now, seems rather problematic in my opinion.
Bis zum 10. Februar wurden 1054 Strafanzeigen wegen Vorfällen in der Kölner Innenstadt während der Silvesternacht aufgenommen. In 454 Fällen handelte es sich dabei um Sexualdelikte, darunter waren auch mindestens drei Anzeigen wegen Vergewaltigung.[38] Zwei Drittel der Sexualdelikte und Diebstähle waren nach Auswertungen der Polizei im Hauptbahnhof und auf dem Bahnhofsvorplatz begangen worden, eine weitere auffällige Häufung von Delikten wurde im Bereich der Hohenzollernbrücke festgestellt. Mehr als hundert Anzeigen waren bereits bis zum Neujahrsmorgen eingegangen, ab dem 4. Januar war nach ersten Presseberichten ein massiver Anstieg der Anzeigen zu verzeichnen. Insgesamt ging die Polizei bis dahin von 1108 Opfern und Geschädigten aus.[39]
Nach Angaben der Staatsanwaltschaft Köln gab es mit Stand 16. Juni 2016 durch die Vorfälle in der Silvesternacht insgesamt 1.276 mutmaßliche Opfer. In Köln lagen 1.182 Anzeigen zur Silvesternacht vor, 497 davon wegen sexueller Übergriffe, die 648 Opfer betrafen. 284 Personen seien nach Anzeigenlage sowohl Opfer eines sexuellen Übergriffs als auch eines Eigentumsdelikts geworden. 5 Anzeigen wegen vollendeter Vergewaltigung und 16 wegen versuchter Vergewaltigung lagen vor. Von den 183 Beschuldigten galten 55 als Marokkaner, 53 als Algerier, 22 als Iraker, 14 als Syrer und 14 als Deutsche. 73 Beschuldigte waren Asylsuchende, 36 zur Tatzeit illegal in Deutschland, 11 hatten eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis. Bei den Übrigen war der Status ungeklärt. Acht Beschuldigte befanden sich zu diesem Zeitpunkt in Untersuchungshaft.[40]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexue...2015/16#Strafanzeigen_und_Tatverd.C3.A4chtige
Nach Angaben der Staatsanwaltschaft Köln gab es mit Stand 16. Juni 2016 durch die Vorfälle in der Silvesternacht insgesamt 1.276 mutmaßliche Opfer. In Köln lagen 1.182 Anzeigen zur Silvesternacht vor, 497 davon wegen sexueller Übergriffe, die 648 Opfer betrafen. 284 Personen seien nach Anzeigenlage sowohl Opfer eines sexuellen Übergriffs als auch eines Eigentumsdelikts geworden. 5 Anzeigen wegen vollendeter Vergewaltigung und 16 wegen versuchter Vergewaltigung lagen vor. Von den 183 Beschuldigten galten 55 als Marokkaner, 53 als Algerier, 22 als Iraker, 14 als Syrer und 14 als Deutsche. 73 Beschuldigte waren Asylsuchende, 36 zur Tatzeit illegal in Deutschland, 11 hatten eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis. Bei den Übrigen war der Status ungeklärt. Acht Beschuldigte befanden sich zu diesem Zeitpunkt in Untersuchungshaft.[40]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexue...2015/16#Strafanzeigen_und_Tatverd.C3.A4chtige
It says that there have been 5 reported cases of rape and 16 with attempted rape from 497 sexual assaults of which 284 also reported property crime.
Cologne was terrible, without any questions and there have been many immigrants involved.
What the incident really highlighted though, is the inefficiency of the authorities. The police has been underbudged and undestaffed for decades and the management of criminal immigrants is a huge problem and I do not understand why it's not easier to send criminal imigrants back to their nation of origin. A lot has to be improved here, there is no question about that.
But cologne, it seems, had also a lot to do with gangs runing around and using the oportunity to simply steal stuff.
Is that really enough to create a rather bitter debate over immigration and refugees in general? Particularly in the manner as how we've seen it on the net and certain Facebook communities? I mean in Germany alone 40% of the females are subject to sexual harassment, every day. And that was never really much of a topic for the last few decades and it took cologne to start a new debate here, but it is focused solely on immigrants and refugees. That's why I brought up the Oktoberfest, where sexual attacks happen regulary, maybe not on the scope like in Cologne (I havn't compared the numbers), but it happens and it doesn't really bother anyone really. At least I can't remember that there was ever a huge debate about the sexual attacks on the Oktoberfest or other large festivals, not like about Cologne.
I have the opinion that sexual attacks, harassment and rape should always be a concern and it shouldn't take 'refugees' or 'immigrants' to set the focus on it and starting a debate, because we suddenly have someone to blame who's coming from the outside.
Of course, next to that we can ALWAYS as well talk about what the correct treatment is for criminal immigrants and/or refugees, particularly if the intention is to prevent something like that from happening in the future. But that kind of debate should be a rational one, or as we can see right now, it will hit a lot of wrong people, people that are actually very well adapted in to our culture and society but have to leave Germany now, because Afghanistan has been declared a 'safe' country of origin, a touchy subject however since at least 1/3 of the people they are sending back are criminals, and consideirng how severe the crime is I do think that sending people back should be a consideration, but the way how they do it now, seems rather problematic in my opinion.