Throatpunch
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No, more like: Yiddayadda you're all beta cucks blabla bowing before subhumans hurrdurr capitalism Social Darwinism?
It's again that time of the year ... or Muslim bashing!
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Who argued here in favour of social darwinism?
So while we are bombing Daesh (ISIS) now, finally taking some action after years. And really only after there was so much news covereage and preassure that we really had to do literaly something. See France and Paris, already 1 or 2 days after it? Bombing run! But that is a different story. However, I think the largest part of the fighting aginst Daesh, was not done by the west. I doubt our bombing campaigns really ruined them. IT have been the people, there who fought against them. Like the kurdish fighters. Assads troops. And the current government of Iraq. Well that part that fights Daesh.
Bishop, Patriarch of Jerusalem: Convert to Islam... repent later!
Balian of Ibelin: You've taught me a lot about religion, your Eminence.
Do you really think many christiants would give two shits about their religion if someone was holding a knive to their throat or a gun at their head? The first Roman christians, hidd their belief as well. This is always used as a hint that Muslims just want to invade us and change from the inside. Oh no no! Even the moderate ones are radicals! They just don't show it. Or could they be? Are they! Maybe! Yeah man. That this also helps to protect Muslims from EACH OTHER, right! Unthinkable! That when some idiot ISIS fanatic on patrol ask you, as a civilian, if you believe in their Islam, you can say yes, without getting behaded.
If we would really want to help them, we would see a lot more cricism towards arabian states, their leaderships and dictatorship. But since nations like Quatar are our allies and buying our weapons, we don't really give much of a fuck. Where do groups like ISIS get their funding for example? From where do they recruit their fighters? THis has been an issue since the 1970s, when western organisations like the CIA helped to recruit young fundemantlist mercenaries to fight their dirty wars in places like Afghanistan. But once we didn't need them anymore, we left them in those places and they of course cuasd havok to no need. What do you think how many of the foreign fighters came to Afghanistan.
So while we are bombing Daesh (ISIS) now, finally taking some action after years. And really only after there was so much news covereage and preassure that we really had to do literaly something. See France and Paris, already 1 or 2 days after it? Bombing run! But that is a different story. However, I think the largest part of the fighting aginst Daesh, was not done by the west. I doubt our bombing campaigns really ruined them. IT have been the people, there who fought against them. Like the kurdish fighters. Assads troops. And the current government of Iraq. Well that part that fights Daesh.
Do you remember that scene from Kingdom of Heaven?
Bishop, Patriarch of Jerusalem: Convert to Islam... repent later!
Balian of Ibelin: You've taught me a lot about religion, your Eminence.
Do you really think many christiants would give two shits about their religion if someone was holding a knive to their throat or a gun at their head? The first Roman christians, hidd their belief as well. This is always used as a hint that Muslims just want to invade us and change from the inside. Oh no no! Even the moderate ones are radicals! They just don't show it. Or could they be? Are they! Maybe! Yeah man. That this also helps to protect Muslims from EACH OTHER, right! Unthinkable! That when some idiot ISIS fanatic on patrol ask you, as a civilian, if you believe in their Islam, you can say yes, without getting behaded.
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I believe he may be suggesting that Black Angel could be employing Taqiya.
If you disagree with him, try engaging with his ideas and rebuke them with your own. It works better than this childish strawman nonsense.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
This is very dangerous behavior actually. Many moslems are openly supporting terrorist organizations or straight genocide due to simple reason - their own safety would have been endangered by their own brothers in faith otherwise. So instead of actively opposing radical fundamentalism, they're actively supporting and tolerating it.
Look at this example, where old Jewish professor asked his student a simple question whether she's willing to openly condemn Hamas, Palestinian terrorist organization hell-bent on eradicating all Jews. The result? Out of fear to face the anger of her own brothers, she openly admitted that she's supporting the genocide of Jews:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
As far as I know, Black Angel hasn't broken any Islamic principles in this thread.
You cant wage war without collateral damage. Its a failure of technology more than anything.
Its important to remember that the wests goal isnt to kill civilians. If you give the US armed forces a hypothetical perfectly precise weapon, they would use it to kill ISIS fighters and no civilians would die. If you gave ISIS the same weapon, theyd use it to kill every civilian they could.
Intentions matter.
Depending on whose interpretation of Islam you use, it could be argued that he is obfuscating and denying the Islamic practice of marrying children.
Which isn't a new or unique thing though. And why I have a problem when people get on the Islam for it, when in reality it is really human behaviour. How many people supported the Nazis and comitted attrocities for similar reasons? I remember that survivors of the concentration camp in Penemünde, explained how two guards on duty have very often been worse compared to just a single one. The guards would often try to beat each other in brutality.
Pretty shitty person, no doubts about that. But I think that this is again, human nature. People don't need reasons to be dicks. You could look at it that way, we have this too in some sense:
I agree that Islam has a serious problem with self criticism, self reflection and that it needs reforms. Badly. We can all agree on that. But, I am sure when you look around, and taking a very serious survey, I wouldn't be surprised how many christians would support christian radicals. That's simply how people roll.
Youre right. That is how people roll, I agree. I guess the problem then is that there are just way more Muslim radicals than there are radicals of other stripes and denominations. I cant remember the last time a Christian extremist drove a truck through a crowd of people or shot up a gay nightclub screaming "deus vult". Or how about all those bombings committed by Tibetan Buddhist radicals trying to overthrow the oppressive yolk of the Chinese? It just doesnt happen.
There's something uniquely wrong with islam that gives rise to these people. We need to figure put what that is and how to stop it. It is incredibly unhelpful to that project when people try and pretend that Islam is no worse than other religions in spite of the stacks of evidence to the contrary.
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Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
I'd say the thing that's uniquely wrong with them is that a good portion of their people live in absolutely shitty areas that still haven't recovered from the fall of their respective dictators and, if you want to go further back, the Ottoman and colonial Empires.
Of course there are still home-grown extremists that come from western countries but without the example of ISIS to follow they'd probably just become your standard murderous assholes, as opposed to religious ones.
The notion that this all motivated by political and economic hardship is simply not true.
There are more illiterate and malnourished people in India than anywhere else on Earth and yet we dont see disenfranchised Indians committing the lion's share of terrorist actions.
Tibet is kept under the brutal and oppressive regime of the PRC. It is no secret that Tibetans want to free of this regime, so why dont we see bombs going off in Chinese cities? Chinese civillians arent being kidnapped and beheaded in online videos or immolated in cages.
South America has endured decades of almost shameless meddling at the hands of US foreign policy makers. Where are the latin american suicide bombers?
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan, once all of their respective dictators had fallen, the world didnt endure decades of relentless terrorist activity from Russian, German, Italian and Japanese radicals.
This isnt about political or economic hardship. It is about Islam. At what point are you going to start taking these people at their word when they scream allahu ackbar promptly before detonating themselves in a school or unloading their ak-47 into a crowd of people?
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Mohamed2001
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ISIS is not related to Al Qaeda much.. I can explain the history of ISIS if you wish.
The founder of ISIS wanted to join Al Qaeda but Osama Bin Laden told him to fuck off and said he was too much of an extremist.
The US actually killed the founder of ISIS before leaving btw.. It's just that it was too late.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
It's relatively unique to the Middle East and Africa, also happened in Asia, though to a lesser degree.
The Indian government isn't weak and the country is, if I remember correctly, going fairly well with the process of industrialisation.
The Chinese government is a strong authoritarian regime unlike Syria where their authoritarian regime is in the midst of collapse.
The Axis (aside from Italy) were thoroughly beaten and occupied after the war, moreover Japan wasn't going to revolt when they had just lost 2 cities instantaneously. The Soviet Union collapsed peacefully and was replaced by a democratic government, I also wouldn't call Gorbachev a dictator, but whatever.
You know, there are a couple of fairly prestigious books on the subject of war that say war, no matter what form it takes, is just the furthering of political goals through other means; it just so happens that the politics of the Middle East and Northern Africa are married to Islam.
Completely unrelated, but you wouldn't happen to be tired right now would you? I know, it's a question completely out of the blue, just a feeling I'm getting from your posts.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Sure, they have barbaric laws but not terrorism, unless you count funding terrorism which they allegedly do.
It's relatively unique to the Middle East and Africa, also happened in Asia, though to a lesser degree.
The Indian government isn't weak and the country is, if I remember correctly, going fairly well with the process of industrialisation.
The Chinese government is a strong authoritarian regime unlike Syria where their authoritarian regime is in the midst of collapse.
The Axis (aside from Italy) were thoroughly beaten and occupied after the war, moreover Japan wasn't going to revolt when they had just lost 2 cities instantaneously. The Soviet Union collapsed peacefully and was replaced by a democratic government, I also wouldn't call Gorbachev a dictator, but whatever.
You know, there are a couple of fairly prestigious books on the subject of war that say war, no matter what form it takes, is just the furthering of political goals through other means; it just so happens that the politics of the Middle East and Northern Africa are married to Islam.
Completely unrelated, but you wouldn't happen to be tired right now would you? I know, it's a question completely out of the blue, just a feeling I'm getting from your posts.
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. Was your point that it has to specifically be a destabilized region with almost no government control? Not just a deeply impoverished people or people undergoing political oppression or turmoil?
Ill have to do some digging and see if I can find any counter examples that fit your parameters. If I cant find anything, I will concede to you that politics plays its part.
Its worth noting though that the Islamic paradigm is a complete system. I mean that in the sense that it lays out how to govern everything from the way a state should be run all the way down to how individuals should dress and what they should eat. It is no small thing to untangle the spiritual and the political.
Hahaha, yes. I actually am pretty tired right now. What gave it away?
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
That and crazy people from Western countries fighting for them.Grammar, a couple of missing apostrophes and whatnot.
Yes but it just continues to show that the problem is the ideology. Even a rich moslem country still stones people to death and beheads them for things that are either legal or considered minor offences in the West. And of course theres also....
Also I fail to see what this has to do with making decisions about the current Immigration problem in Europe/The West. There is a problem with attacks from migrants. The West has no duty to take these people in and when so many people have been beaten, raped, attacked, and murdered it shouldn't be hard to realize that maybe we should stop taking these people in no matter what the situation in the Middle East is. The Government exists to serve it's own people first and foremost.
Ah, I'm also doing all of this on my phone today. That can't be helping much.
Don't be surprised if you see a sharp uptick in my grammar now that you've made me pay attention to it haha.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Guys, blame everything on Illumaniti. No critical thinking required... or blame it on sinners. No critical thinking required.