It looks like J.E. Sawyer is returning to one of his pet peeves in the SPECIAL system, namely the way armor works. Specifically, it looks like Damage Treshhold will be back.<blockquote>I figure this is a good time to explain how the "red shield" (and also "HUD colored shield") works.
Imagine that there is an amount of damage that armor directly subtracts from damage... a "threshold" of damage, if you will. While a small percentage of damage may get through even the thickest armor, damage threshold can effectively neutralize a lot of small arms. Fallout 1 and 2 used numerical feedback to let the player know when their weapons weren't doing any damage. In F3 and F:NV, the player only sees enemy health meters that represent a percentage of total health rather than an exact value. This makes it difficult to tell how effective an enemy's armor is (as opposed to the target simply having a ton of health). In F:NV, the red shield appears next to a target's health meter when you hit it for damage that is equal to or less than the target's damage threshold. A HUD-colored shield appears next to the player's health meter when the player is hit for damage equal to or less than the player's damage threshold.
High RoF weapons typically have a low DAM, high DPS. E.g. 10mm SMG. Low RoF weapons are the opposite. E.g. Hunting Rifle. F:NV's Pip-Boy Weapons tab now cross-fades between DAM and DPS so the player can make more tactical choices about what weapon to use in any given circumstance. Having both of these values visible has also allowed us to revise the calculation of DAM/DPS values to be less abstract and more accurate. Using the weapons previously listed, a 10mm SMG would be best against unarmored/lightly armored targets at close range. The Hunting Rifle is ideal against armored targets at long range. But if the player wants to get fiddly with numbers, the Cowboy Repeater (mentioned in the Escapist preview) is better than either weapon against unarmored/lightly armored targets at long range since it is accurate, has a decent DAM and a better DPS than the Hunting Rifle. Add ammo subtypes and mods into the mix and there are a lot of ways to optimize the gear you carry and use. </blockquote>Continued.<blockquote>Damage Threshold is a new value for armor. It is directly subtracted from damage. That is, it is not a percentage reduction. I'll use an example of DR vs. DT to illustrate the impact it has.
Let's say you have a weapon with a DAM of 13 and a weapon with a DAM of 45.
Against armor with 20 DR, each shot from the first weapon will do 13 - 2.6 = 10.4 damage. The second weapon will do 45 - 8 = 37 damage per shot.
Against armor with 5 DT, each shot from the first weapon will do 13 - 5 = 8 damage. The second weapon will do 45 - 5 = 40 damage per shot.
Damage Threshold has a greater impact the lower the base damage is. Damage Resistance scales universally because it is a percentile reduction. </blockquote>Is it a replacement for all armor or will it be alongside DR?<blockquote>We're still experimenting with the right balance of DR/DT. The engine can support and display both.
BTW, the weapons that are easily neutered by even light armor are shotguns firing buckshot.
Which is why I always carry slugs. :disguise: </blockquote>Does the red shield only appear during VATS?<blockquote>It appears whenever you damage a target and remains for a few seconds after. </blockquote>Continued.<blockquote>There is a value in GECK we use for tuning that specifies a minimum percentage of damage an attack can do, regardless of DR/DT. We've adjusted it a few times and probably will continue to do so. But in all cases it has been a low percentage of an already low base value, so using something like a Varmint Rifle against high DT armor is a good way to get killed. </blockquote>Thanks The Vault.
Imagine that there is an amount of damage that armor directly subtracts from damage... a "threshold" of damage, if you will. While a small percentage of damage may get through even the thickest armor, damage threshold can effectively neutralize a lot of small arms. Fallout 1 and 2 used numerical feedback to let the player know when their weapons weren't doing any damage. In F3 and F:NV, the player only sees enemy health meters that represent a percentage of total health rather than an exact value. This makes it difficult to tell how effective an enemy's armor is (as opposed to the target simply having a ton of health). In F:NV, the red shield appears next to a target's health meter when you hit it for damage that is equal to or less than the target's damage threshold. A HUD-colored shield appears next to the player's health meter when the player is hit for damage equal to or less than the player's damage threshold.
High RoF weapons typically have a low DAM, high DPS. E.g. 10mm SMG. Low RoF weapons are the opposite. E.g. Hunting Rifle. F:NV's Pip-Boy Weapons tab now cross-fades between DAM and DPS so the player can make more tactical choices about what weapon to use in any given circumstance. Having both of these values visible has also allowed us to revise the calculation of DAM/DPS values to be less abstract and more accurate. Using the weapons previously listed, a 10mm SMG would be best against unarmored/lightly armored targets at close range. The Hunting Rifle is ideal against armored targets at long range. But if the player wants to get fiddly with numbers, the Cowboy Repeater (mentioned in the Escapist preview) is better than either weapon against unarmored/lightly armored targets at long range since it is accurate, has a decent DAM and a better DPS than the Hunting Rifle. Add ammo subtypes and mods into the mix and there are a lot of ways to optimize the gear you carry and use. </blockquote>Continued.<blockquote>Damage Threshold is a new value for armor. It is directly subtracted from damage. That is, it is not a percentage reduction. I'll use an example of DR vs. DT to illustrate the impact it has.
Let's say you have a weapon with a DAM of 13 and a weapon with a DAM of 45.
Against armor with 20 DR, each shot from the first weapon will do 13 - 2.6 = 10.4 damage. The second weapon will do 45 - 8 = 37 damage per shot.
Against armor with 5 DT, each shot from the first weapon will do 13 - 5 = 8 damage. The second weapon will do 45 - 5 = 40 damage per shot.
Damage Threshold has a greater impact the lower the base damage is. Damage Resistance scales universally because it is a percentile reduction. </blockquote>Is it a replacement for all armor or will it be alongside DR?<blockquote>We're still experimenting with the right balance of DR/DT. The engine can support and display both.
BTW, the weapons that are easily neutered by even light armor are shotguns firing buckshot.
Which is why I always carry slugs. :disguise: </blockquote>Does the red shield only appear during VATS?<blockquote>It appears whenever you damage a target and remains for a few seconds after. </blockquote>Continued.<blockquote>There is a value in GECK we use for tuning that specifies a minimum percentage of damage an attack can do, regardless of DR/DT. We've adjusted it a few times and probably will continue to do so. But in all cases it has been a low percentage of an already low base value, so using something like a Varmint Rifle against high DT armor is a good way to get killed. </blockquote>Thanks The Vault.
