John Titor, megafraud

ultimatly, we have no way of proving him true/false for another few years.

And even then, the claim that this timeline is divegent would still exist.......
 
Baboon said:
But then, I'm not saying it's possible, you just shouldn't dismiss anything that easily.
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Of course we should. Dismissing outrageous claims and possibilities is normal, healthy, and unavoidable. It doesn't mean you can't reevaluate something if you find a reason to. Being an atheist I dismiss the possibility of the existence of gods, but of course it doesn't mean I claim absolute knowledge that there are no gods. The right type of strange experiences might change my mind about that. John Titor on the Internet is not such a reason. John Titor blasting things with a grav gun on Times Square might have been.

Obviously I didn't have the patience or interest to read the whole Dark Matter thread, but it seemed that alec/Blade Runner was the one who knew what he was talking about in that one.
 
Per said:
Obviously I didn't have the patience or interest to read the whole Dark Matter thread, but it seemed that alec/Blade Runner was the one who knew what he was talking about in that one.
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:cry:
 
If the future does not occur, then we have only heeded John Titor's warning.

But if the future is saved, then how can the present John Titor still exist? Unless...
 
... and anyone who agreed with him, obviously. I mean, anyone who had agreed with me if I had been there.
 
But wait. If the future was saved and the present John Titor never existed, wouldn't we have never learned from his insight? Would we be stuck in an infinite time loop?
 
Nope. Depends on how you view it. There are a few ways to get around this, one of them is going 'well, every time you go back in time, you get into a new timeline, and affect things, but not yourself, only your other incarnation in this timeline, not in your own.'
*shrugs*
 
Yup, and there's also "there is a magical rabbit who cleans up all paradoxes so they are no longer paradoxes", which is equally as logical.
 
So, hypothetically, I could combine with 5 of my alternate reality selves to form Voltron?
 
It should be about as likely to come about as any other random metaphysical speculation, yes.
 
You know, with this kind of topic, they could hire NMA members to write new episodes of Star Trek. How good are you at your techno-babble?

*Ahem*

The quantum-converters have to be integrated into the quantum-dampers, thereby starting a harmonic resonance that will phase space-time!
 
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GASP!
 
PsychoSniper said:
ultimatly, we have no way of proving him true/false for another few years.
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What? It was supposed to happen about... Well, now.



And I still don't see how anyone can be convinced that time travel is impossible. Per, you only appear narrowminded, sorry.
 
Per said:
Baboon said:
There's a lot we don't know, and it would be retarded to dismiss it as "Time travel is strictly impossible".
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About as retarded as dismissing the fact that a purple octopus sits atop your monitor whenever you're not looking. It doesn't mean it deserves any form of consideration or recognition.
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I nearly died laughing because of that one. :D


I think the decision-bound multiverse theory is a huge load of crap. Especially because it simplifies probabilities A LOT. Unless you want to defend your speciecism with religious concepts of humans being the only creatures capable of making decisions, there's no reason only human decisions would create new dimensions.

If that is NOT the case, then why limit it to decisions? Do you choose "decisions" because you think of them as unpredictable?

As far as I know the only reason we can't predict the exact outcome of an event is that measurements don't have a perfect precision (because we can't measure things below a certain minimum without influencing them) and something about quantum science.

My hypothesis (even if it may be on the same scientific level as your squid example) is that time is completely linear and time travel is entirely impossible (for humans) because we only consist of matter and energy.
I wouldn't exclude the possibility that something begins in the "future" and travels "backwards" through time -- we might as well be living through time "backwards", we wouldn't know (relativity really can be a bitch, I suppose Einstein knew that).

Then again, I'm a deterministic physicalist and your concept of conciousness and the whole "soul" thing has a huge impact on what thesis on time travel, alternate universes and so on, you are going to accept or oppose.

I remember having heard something about quantum physics having lead to accepting the idea that the future can not be predicted (not even in a theoretical situation), but I can't remember what the exact reasons were. I can't imagine Hawking stating that something doesn't obey a law of physics, but that would be the only condition for a situation which is unpredictable despite knowing the state of every single "variable" -- then again, that's the only way for there to be such a thing as free will.

Eh. I guess opinions really are like assholes.
 
Ashmo:

Then again, I'm a deterministic physicalist and your concept of conciousness and the whole "soul" thing has a huge impact on what thesis on time travel, alternate universes and so on, you are going to accept or oppose.
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Kotario:

The quantum-converters have to be integrated into the quantum-dampers, thereby starting a harmonic resonance that will phase space-time!
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Bradylama:

So, hypothetically, I could combine with 5 of my alternate reality selves to form Voltron?
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Per:

Of course we should. Dismissing outrageous claims and possibilities is normal, healthy, and unavoidable. It doesn't mean you can't reevaluate something if you find a reason to. Being an atheist I dismiss the possibility of the existence of gods, but of course it doesn't mean I claim absolute knowledge that there are no gods. The right type of strange experiences might change my mind about that. John Titor on the Internet is not such a reason. John Titor blasting things with a grav gun on Times Square might have been.
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(Head explodes from the excessively logic and spam spun together as one entity.)

I liked Sliders by the way...it means in some other very distant, very removed universe Im getting laid right now.

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The Vault Dweller
 
The only thing I appreciated about Sliders was John Rhys-Davies.

An analogy to this thread, actually, quite a few threads around here:

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